Giants win Superbowl XLII

[Demosthenes]

Gg nubs.

[Grav]

It is unexpected that you and I would be the first to discuss this.

[sheerx]

YEAH! GIANTS WON!

17-14 Giants

They played a great game.

[osmoses-jones]

did you see that shutdown moss, stallworth = shitty brady lol brady is overated qb i ever see. now they will shut up about patriot.

[Dar_Win]

did you see that shutdown moss, stallworth = shitty brady lol brady is overated qb i ever see. now they will shut up about patriot.

:rolleyes:

Every team has been shutting down Moss ever since the Eagles game, yet Brady continued to do well. Stallworth as good as he may be is truely meaningless to that offense. They perform well without him.

I hate Tom Brady, I hate Bellicheck(sp?) and I hate the Patriots but there is no hiding the fact that Tom Brady is one of the best ever. He won all 3 of his Super Bowl rings without a Randy Moss, and had a nearly undefeated season without him, going 14-2 and going on to win the Super Bowl. Over a 2 season period he won 20 something games which has never been done before.

I hate him and the team for stealing the Super Bowl away from my team, but I can't deny that I think he is the best in the league right now.

[D3V]

did you see that shutdown moss, stallworth = shitty brady lol brady is overated qb i ever see. now they will shut up about patriot.

Brady is not overrated, he's still a great Quarterback as much as I hate him..

He and Moss both set NFL records this year, so i'm not really sure what daw_win is talking about when Randy moss was shut down all year,.. still a great game to watch. The Giants 4 D-lineman played an excellent game and got in Brady's face all game long, and when you can't perform under that pressure and get a rythm going, nobody really has a shot to win the game.

Oh well, on to the next season. The Scouting Combine is on the 28th this month. :)

[!King_Amazon!]

I came in here to say that I'm sick of everyone praising Tom Brady and they need to remove their lips from his cock. He might be good but most people are just hopping on the bandwagon.

[Thanatos]

Oh my GOD such a great game. There were 16 people at my buddy's house and we were going absolutely nuts. It was awesome. When Manning shrugged off those 2 dudes, ran back, and bombed it downfield and the dude caught it with his fuckin helmet, the apartment exploded. We had one Patriot fan there, the rest being Giant fans or just ex-Pats fans, we were giving him so much shit. He shut off the TV on that 4th and 20 and ran out of the apartment. lol the bastard.

Anyway, the Giants defense put on a HELL of a performance. Gotta love seeing Brady getting sacked on his ass. Makes ya feel all warm inside.

Manning family = best QB family ever? Probably..

[Titusfied]

Ugh, don't give him that much credit. Granted, he played well in the last 5 minutes of the game, which is definitely the most important, but the Giants defense played one of the most solid fucking games I've ever seen, especially against the potent Patriot offense. The defense won the game for the Giants. Eli did play well though, gotta give him that....

I don't know why everyone thinks this was such an awesome game though. I mean, the last 5 minutes of the 4th quarter were by far the best of any game or Super Bowl I've ever seen, but for the first 3 quarters, the defensive dominance made for quite the boring game. If I was a fan of one of the teams, I would've been going insane with discomfort and anxiety, but as a football fan wanting to watch a good game, it didn't deliver. I was bored for most of the game, then it got fantastic.

[Dar_Win]

He and Moss both set NFL records this year, so i'm not really sure what daw_win is talking about when Randy moss was shut down all year

I said since the Eagles game teams have been shutting Randy Moss down, not all season. In week 11 against the Bills (game before Philly) Moss had 4 touchdowns with 128 yards. Against the Eagles he had only 43 yards and 0 touchdowns. Against the horrible Baltimore Ravens, Moss had just 34 yards and one touchdown. The list goes on including only a single post season touchdown which happened during the Super Bowl.

[HandOfHeaven]

I was expecting more of a high scoring close game. Tom Brady hesitated too much, although the Giants defensive line greatly added to that. I bet Moss was extremely pissed at all of those overthrows.

Eli can seriously go suck a fuck. He's not that good, so don't start sticking your face up his ass like he's a king or something.


Dar_Win, you have to take into account that Moss is almost always in double or triple coverage. Most of the Pats offense shifted toward him being a decoy, which in turn opened some plays up. Giants still did a good job though.

[Demosthenes]

***sarcasm follows*** Who the fuck changed the name to my goddamn fucking thread? Goddamn it fucking assholes leave my fucking thread alone?

[WetWired]

Actually, two threads were merged. This isn't the thread you started.

[Lenny]

I'm not even going to bother discussing the game as, surprise surprise, I didn't watch a single minute of it! Shock horror! I am going to say that quite a few people have told me that Tom Petty was very good during the half-time show and that I ought to find it on Youtube.

Instead of discussing the game, I shall post a link to a piece of history on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/19-0-Historic-Championship-Englands-Unbeatable/dp/1600781500/ref=sr_1_27?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1202097529&sr=1-27

EDIT: Ha, they took that down quickly.

For those that didn't get to see it, the page was for a book about the New England Patriots - 19-0: Historic Championship, England's Unbeatable.

http://digg.com/football/19_0_Patriots_Book_Pre_order

[HandOfHeaven]

Ha Lenny!

[Vault Dweller]

Um...

"Looking for something?
We're sorry. The Web address you entered is not a functioning page on our site."

Not so much.

Anyway, I thought the game was great. I prefer seeing excellent defensive performances to outrageous offensive plays. That's just me, I guess.

[D3V]

Anyway, I thought the game was great. I prefer seeing excellent defensive performances to outrageous offensive plays. That's just me, I guess.

Hah, we can tell you're a Pittsburgh fan... I'm the same way though, with the Jags :) When you have no offense you garner this great respect for Defensive shutdowns, though it hasn't been that way this year.

[Thanatos]

On a slightly related note, Tom Brady and Randy Moss have decided to sit out of the Pro-Bowl game. Apparently, they have too much sand in their vaginas.

[D3V]

Yeah i've heard the same thing. What a bunch of shitheads, I now even hate the Patriots more and am glad they lost the game, even more-so I thought it was funny after Belicheck shook Coughlin's hand and then left, even though the game wasn't officially over. Pretty shitty.

[Thanatos]

That pretty much sums up the Patriots and their classy coach.

[gruesomeBODY]

Im not going to go into any detail about the game, probably because i was scared shitless. But my Giants won and im really so proud of them. I hope all of you remember when they decided to stand up to the Pats in week 17, when all media and sports officials cautioned them not too. It goes to show that when a team has heart and the desire to win, anything is possible. We might not have been the better team all season, but were the best team that day. Like i have been saying to all my pats friends, including JR, 18-1 is not better than 14-6 this year.

[Thanatos]

Amen brotha! Before I went to work Monday morning, I left a note on my neighbor's door (he's a HUGE Pats fan) that said "18-1. It doesn't mean shit."

[HandOfHeaven]

Colts fail. Kthxdie!

[Thanatos]

What's your point? To act like a idiotic moron? Well done!

[osmoses-jones]

I respect colts more then patriot because they are not arrogant then damn patriot players.

[slaynish]

Game was garbage until the last 5 minutes.

I had call of duty 4 on one tv and the game on the other and i was more interested in COD than the game.(until the last 5 minutes of course)

However, that shit eli did shaking those two guys.. Christ. That was insane.

[WetWired]

The game was great. I intended to watch it off and on but ended up watching the whole game from about half way through the first quarter.

[D3V]

That move Eli pulled was similar to David Garrard's 34 yard run busting it up on 4th down to esentially win the Jaguars the first round of the playoffs.

Atleast, it was as pheonomenal

[Thanatos]

Eli's scramble > anything David Garrard has ever done.

[D3V]

Rofl dude, no way. That scramble was excellent, but David's scramble was just as good, they were basically the same situation except David took off and broke their lb's ankles.

[Thanatos]

This was played in the Superbowl with under 2:00 remaining on a drive that costs you the Lombardi trophy, I think Eli's play was much more significant.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PiXQqxcWR8k - Eli's play

http://youtube.com/watch?v=O-ujIWjiISU&feature=related - Garrard's play

Garrard juked one guy. That's it.. how is that play better in any way, shape, or form? Quit being such a homer.

[D3V]

If it wasn't in the superbowl, you could call the plays equal. Garrard's run was with like 2:26 left in the game, and the Steelers we're still leading at this point in the game. I mean look at it, Eli had one guy tug on his jersey while he was getting blocked, and slipped out of it and threw the ball, I think the catch was actually greater than anything Eli really did, you're the one in fact being a homer with the fact that his redneck forrest-gump talkin' brother is on your team.

[Thanatos]

Umm, no I am not being a homer. Peyton plays for Indy. Eli plays for New York. Before this season I thought Eli was a bust; I've never really liked him.

I'm talking about the play as a whole. The fact that he broke THREE sacks, ran back, launched the ball, and dude somehow managed to catch it with his helmet... that is WAY better than watching a QB run 30 yards for a first down while he only breaks one guy's ankles in the process. It doesn't even come close.

[D3V]

QBs slip tackles all day long, even better the throw was short and off, it's just miraculous that the WR was able to come up with the ball, the heat of the moment made it justified to call it a great play. The same situation was during the Jaguars game, it was 4th and (6th i think) and David busted around and busted it loose, put us into field goal range which was all we needed, and Freddy eventually got into the end zone. I just don't see how you can write that off.

[Thanatos]

Because shit like that happens all the time whereas Manning/Tyree's spectacular play happen once in a season, if not longer. Bah, there's no reasoning with you. Any time a team has done something good, Jacksonville has done it better.

[D3V]

Lol numbnuts I never said it was better, I just said I don't understand why you we're writing it off. WRs make spectacular catches all day long, QBs break tackles and loft the ball down the field every game, what makes both playes good was the fact it was at crunch time when both teams absolutely needed a break. Shit, Garrard played pretty badly for a good majority of the game, and they still pulled it out. I'm just trying to reason with you that that play shouldn't be written off.

[Thanatos]

I'm not writing it off it's just pretty obvious (to me at least, I'm not jaded behind illusions that the Jaguars are the best team ever) that Eli/Tyree's play > Garrard's play. Who cares if it was good, it does not stack up with that highlight.

[Titusfied]

No doubt about it, Garrard's play doesn't have SHIT on Eli/Tyree's play. Not even close. Not only was the stage about 10 times bigger, there was much less time on the clock, much more at stake, and a whole lot of pressure being applied.

I was watching the Jax/Pitt game with my friends, and we all thought Garrard's play was awesome, but with the same group of guys, after that Eli/Tyree play, we all literally looked at each other and as a consensus agreed that was probably one of the most awesome plays we've ever seen.

Oh, and ESPN has unofficially declared it the greatest Super Bowl play EVER. Yes, ever.

Eli/Tyree FTW.

kthxbye.

[D3V]

Okay, now see you changed it up. But anyways, still it's an okay play. The circumstances are what make it great.

Bleh, on to another year of football.

[Thanatos]

No doubt about it, Garrard's play doesn't have SHIT on Eli/Tyree's play. Not even close. Not only was the stage about 10 times bigger, there was much less time on the clock, much more at stake, and a whole lot of pressure being applied.

I was watching the Jax/Pitt game with my friends, and we all thought Garrard's play was awesome, but with the same group of guys, after that Eli/Tyree play, we all literally looked at each other and as a consensus agreed that was probably one of the most awesome plays we've ever seen.

Oh, and ESPN has unofficially declared it the greatest Super Bowl play EVER. Yes, ever.

Eli/Tyree FTW.

kthxbye.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Titusfied again.

[gruesomeBODY]

I'm not writing it off it's just pretty obvious (to me at least, I'm not jaded behind illusions that the Jaguars are the best team ever) that Eli/Tyree's play > Garrard's play. Who cares if it was good, it does not stack up with that highlight.

Even though its going to sound biased since it is my team, but Eli/ Tyree's play was way better than Garrard's. ESPN has even declared it the best moment in all of Superbowl History! Garrard's run was equally impressive, but under the circumstances, Eli and co win.

For everyone that counted the Giants out after week 2, it just goes to show that anyone in the NFL can win.

Now, i have been supportive of all decisions the Giants have done over the years, include the acquisition of Eli. He may not be the superstar that Peyton is, but he has all the tools to be a very decent QB in this leauge, especially if he plays like he did through the playoffs (which is mistake free football and good management of the game). The Giants as a whole should have been MVP, but hey the QB will get the praise and blame.

P.S.- Spags is staying in New York which is huge for the Giants. Also, i am very excited for next season already.

[!King_Amazon!]

All of you STFU, it was a great play, now STFU and DIAF.

[Grav]

In professional American football, the Super Bowl is the championship game of the National Football League (NFL).

[Thanatos]

All of you STFU, it was a great play, now STFU and DIAF.

Shh shhh we're talking football here. Move along.

[Grav]

Yeah, K_A. Let the retards have their fun in peace.

[Atnas]

There was a Superbowl?

[Thanatos]

Yeah, K_A. Let the retards have their fun in peace.

Yes yes because most males actually like football. Way not to conform. You're so unique and original, Grav. You da coolest!!!

[Grav]

There's no issue with liking sports, especially if you play them. However, if you don't play, and you're a consumer culture zealot -- then you're a retard.

I generally draw the line on the second part when someone uses "we" and "our" to describe a team's actions.

[Thanatos]

I do play sports. I play basketball all the time, like yesterday. I'm such a badass I was double-teamed in a fucking pickup game. Who does that..

[!King_Amazon!]

I generally draw the line on the second part when someone uses "we" and "our" to describe a team's actions.

That's pretty much my thoughts. Unless you work for your favorite team, or you're on your favorite team, you're not part of "we."

I've seen a lot of you fags saying stuff like "we traded X" or "we're doing good this season." Well, wake the fuck up and realize you're not part of the team, fag.

[Demosthenes]

Man, fuck, I hated when we traded Cuttino and Francis for fucking McGrady. He didn't help us out one bit. We would have done way better with Francis, McGrady and Yao.

[Atnas]

I don't like team sports in the first place, but let them say "We" or "Us" if they want - even if it is only to let them believe they do anything more than stare at a television. There isn't any harm done except that done to themselves.

[Grav]

The "harm" is far more insidious. America has an unhealthy sports obsession.


Sports are talked about constantly. Some people discuss nothing else. They would be better off reading a book. Sports also serve as a dangerous distraction for more pressing issues in the news.

Parents raise their kids from an early age to play sports, sometimes running these kids into the ground. There is a huge pressure for these kids to perform as their parents selfishly attempt to live vicariously through them.

Athletes (like celebrities) can unfairly get an advantage in the legal system because our country idolizes them. Here's an example of something disturbing to me: when Mark McGwire was questioned by Congress about steroid use, Congress basically treated him better than they would have treated the President 200 years ago.

College (and high school) athletes get numerous advantages over their peers. They are recruited for elite colleges, get athletic scholarships, stipends, and more. Some professors and proctors look the other way when athletes don't go to class at all, or blatantly cheat on tests. On my campus, one day there was absolutely nothing good to eat at the dining hall. There were steaks, but we weren't allowed to have any. "Those are for the football team."

Local and state governments pay for the construction of giant sports arenas.

There is a HUGE consumer culture behind sports, as if we weren't suckered into capitalism enough as it is. Jerseys, books, video games, toys, applicances, food, autographs, and anything else you can think of.

Athletes are generally looked up to by children, and they are not proving to be good role models. Of course there are a few good hearted athletes, but the good apples do not outweigh the bad. It also happens to be the bad ones that are shown the most in the media.


So, to summarize, being a sports apologist is a cowardly cop-out.

[Atnas]

So?

That's all unwell and bad, but our culture, hell, our species, has been idolizing sports players as far back as Greece and Rome, and probably even farther back than then.

It's an aspect of society I wish wasn't there, as it provides an excuse for the unintelligent to reign dominant over those quite frankly more deserving of fame than them, ie people who use their brains.

A lot of people will argue that my view is unfair, but I really don't see why anyone would exalt someone to such extremes because they can run faster or jump higher than someone else. That shit doesn't matter.

To play a sport is good for your body and mind and all, but it's pro sports that really fuck up the point of it. These players make millions off of playing a fucking game.

I digress though, what I intended to say was that the human race is geared towards deifying the physically fit, and if people find it as a way to make money or find pleasure in forcing their children to live lives they didn't, oh well. It's like arguing against peeing.

"Goddamn, all these people making money off of toilet paper."

People will do it.

[Grav]

So?

That's all unwell and bad, but our culture, hell, our species, has been idolizing sports players as far back as Greece and Rome, and probably even farther back than then.

It's an aspect of society I wish wasn't there, as it provides an excuse for the unintelligent to reign dominant over those quite frankly more deserving of fame than them, ie people who use their brains.
...
I digress though, what I intended to say was that the human race is geared towards deifying the physically fit

This directly contradicts your "humans can transcend their instincts" argument.

It doesn't seem like you're even disagreeing with me, so I don't see your point.

[Atnas]

I'm a very confused individual when it comes to beliefs. I change them daily. Didn't I concede to MJ in that argument, anyway?

And I'm not disagreeing with your views, merely stating there's no use in trying to argue against sports in modern society. That was... My point. :x

[Thanatos]

The "harm" is far more insidious. America has an unhealthy sports obsession.


Sports are talked about constantly. Some people discuss nothing else. They would be better off reading a book. Sports also serve as a dangerous distraction for more pressing issues in the news.

Parents raise their kids from an early age to play sports, sometimes running these kids into the ground. There is a huge pressure for these kids to perform as their parents selfishly attempt to live vicariously through them.

Athletes (like celebrities) can unfairly get an advantage in the legal system because our country idolizes them. Here's an example of something disturbing to me: when Mark McGwire was questioned by Congress about steroid use, Congress basically treated him better than they would have treated the President 200 years ago.

College (and high school) athletes get numerous advantages over their peers. They are recruited for elite colleges, get athletic scholarships, stipends, and more. Some professors and proctors look the other way when athletes don't go to class at all, or blatantly cheat on tests. On my campus, one day there was absolutely nothing good to eat at the dining hall. There were steaks, but we weren't allowed to have any. "Those are for the football team."

Local and state governments pay for the construction of giant sports arenas.

There is a HUGE consumer culture behind sports, as if we weren't suckered into capitalism enough as it is. Jerseys, books, video games, toys, applicances, food, autographs, and anything else you can think of.

Athletes are generally looked up to by children, and they are not proving to be good role models. Of course there are a few good hearted athletes, but the good apples do not outweigh the bad. It also happens to be the bad ones that are shown the most in the media.


So, to summarize, being a sports apologist is a cowardly cop-out.

Says the fat kid.

[Thanatos]

Oh, and:

http://i32.tinypic.com/9i9pts.jpg

[Titusfied]

Says the fat kid.

Match.

Hillarious.

[D3V]

The "harm" is far more insidious. America has an unhealthy sports obsession.

Unhealthy? You are not one to be telling another about being unhealthy.


Sports are talked about constantly. Some people discuss nothing else. They would be better off reading a book. Sports also serve as a dangerous distraction for more pressing issues in the news.

Sports are a very healthy outlet of news, just because it's not depressing talking about all eras of the wars being waged around the world, how corrupt governments are being, gas prices being horrible, it's a nice change of thing. So WOULDN'T that be healthier than stressing yourself over a source of news that is only depressing to you? ..



Parents raise their kids from an early age to play sports, sometimes running these kids into the ground. There is a huge pressure for these kids to perform as their parents selfishly attempt to live vicariously through them.

Kids playing sports from a young age is awesome, it teaches them teamwork, how to win, how to get beat and keep coming back. Who gives a fuck if parents strive for their kin to do well, I'd do the same thing if I had a kid, now there are some fanatical nutjobs out there that do drive their kids too hard, but then again a lot of kids that are pushed to this extent turn out to be get scholar athletes, I don't see anything bad coming from that other than you sitting in math class wishing how much cooler you would've been if you had just gotten off the computer for a while and went outside and played some baseball.


Athletes (like celebrities) can unfairly get an advantage in the legal system because our country idolizes them. Here's an example of something disturbing to me: when Mark McGwire was questioned by Congress about steroid use, Congress basically treated him better than they would have treated the President 200 years ago.

I'm pretty sure Mark McGwire was issued a perscription for anabolic steroids, which makes them legal. You aren't even making a point, douchecanoe, good way of straying away from society, just keep acting more and more like a moron.


College (and high school) athletes get numerous advantages over their peers. They are recruited for elite colleges, get athletic scholarships, stipends, and more. Some professors and proctors look the other way when athletes don't go to class at all, or blatantly cheat on tests. On my campus, one day there was absolutely nothing good to eat at the dining hall. There were steaks, but we weren't allowed to have any. "Those are for the football team."

Another cry for attention? If you'd "read some more books" you'd realize how much money schools make off of sports. When our high school went to state, we got extra fundage for a new computer lab and many, many new books.


Local and state governments pay for the construction of giant sports arenas.

Some stadiums do. You can't blatently just make shit up, even the cities that do pay for them all signed off and agreed to have it built, moron. I don't mind paying an extra 3 dollars a year for the stadium here in Jacksonville as being filtered through my taxes, it's worth it to have the Jaguars here. Who honestly gives a fuck? That money is even made back through the state through commercials as they are broadcast etc etc, vendors get a stake in, businesses boom around the stadium. You're just being an ignorant moron just spouting shit off that is IRRELEVANT.


There is a HUGE consumer culture behind sports, as if we weren't suckered into capitalism enough as it is. Jerseys, books, video games, toys, applicances, food, autographs, and anything else you can think of.

suckered into capitalism? Isn't that the basis of our country? Coming from the guy that spouts the glory of Communism, I doubt anybody even takes you seriously. Who gives a fuck if they make money off of sports? that's an entirely different argument, if you don't like it. DON'T BUY IT. Just because you have SUCH a shitty life that you can't enjoy anything or even have a like for anything, to the point where you have to find something negative, about everything, you need to realize that you sound like a complete jackass, your ignorance is amazing.


Athletes are generally looked up to by children, and they are not proving to be good role models. Of course there are a few good hearted athletes, but the good apples do not outweigh the bad. It also happens to be the bad ones that are shown the most in the media.


So, to summarize, being a sports apologist is a cowardly cop-out.



There are all sorts of things wrong with society. It's our nature to have differences within our communities, people etc. Why do you care so much about media being a non-conformist you should just be in your basement playing D&D not giving a shit about society, not being a communist posterchild.

You just need to realize that Sports are a good thing for this country. It's a huge revenue for the country, learn some economics, we get an ample amount of money for hosting events here, the NFL makes a giant amount of money off of events that are held here, shit Baseball is america's past time, we have people coming from other countries on scholarships to live the American dream. Just get over yourself, go get a gym membership or something. Jesus Christ you're the most bitter person I could ever imagine, fucking nerd.

[Grav]

Sports are a very healthy outlet of news, just because it's not depressing talking about all eras of the wars being waged around the world, how corrupt governments are being, gas prices being horrible, it's a nice change of thing. So WOULDN'T that be healthier than stressing yourself over a source of news that is only depressing to you? ..

No.

Kids playing sports from a young age is awesome, it teaches them teamwork, how to win, how to get beat and keep coming back. Who gives a fuck if parents strive for their kin to do well, I'd do the same thing if I had a kid, now there are some fanatical nutjobs out there that do drive their kids too hard, but then again a lot of kids that are pushed to this extent turn out to be get scholar athletes, I don't see anything bad coming from that other than you sitting in math class wishing how much cooler you would've been if you had just gotten off the computer for a while and went outside and played some baseball.

The reason it's disturbing is because it's part of a larger trend of zealotry in America. Saying that it's okay to do just facilitates the problem.

I'm pretty sure Mark McGwire was issued a perscription for anabolic steroids, which makes them legal. You aren't even making a point, douchecanoe, good way of straying away from society, just keep acting more and more like a moron.

How did you miss my point? Athletes and celebrities are treated as first class citizens, while we are second and the average black male is probably third.

Another cry for attention? If you'd "read some more books" you'd realize how much money schools make off of sports. When our high school went to state, we got extra fundage for a new computer lab and many, many new books.

You're obviously the one that needs to read more. "Fundage" is not a word. Regardless, the fact that the school receives funding for sports in the first place (taxpayer money) is despicable. That tax money should automatically be distributed to schools, not the schools with athletes. Again, a disturbing trend.

Some stadiums do. You can't blatently just make shit up, even the cities that do pay for them all signed off and agreed to have it built, moron. I don't mind paying an extra 3 dollars a year for the stadium here in Jacksonville as being filtered through my taxes, it's worth it to have the Jaguars here. Who honestly gives a fuck? That money is even made back through the state through commercials as they are broadcast etc etc, vendors get a stake in, businesses boom around the stadium. You're just being an ignorant moron just spouting shit off that is IRRELEVANT.

How is it irrelevant? Some stadiums do what? "You can't blatently just make shit up," D3v. Try this paragraph over.

suckered into capitalism? Isn't that the basis of our country? Coming from the guy that spouts the glory of Communism, I doubt anybody even takes you seriously. Who gives a fuck if they make money off of sports? that's an entirely different argument, if you don't like it. DON'T BUY IT. Just because you have SUCH a shitty life that you can't enjoy anything or even have a like for anything, to the point where you have to find something negative, about everything, you need to realize that you sound like a complete jackass, your ignorance is amazing.

Capitalism is not a basis for a country. It's an economic system. I never even discuss communism, so how can I be glorifying it, D3v? You should realize after several years here that your methods of argumentation (namely lying) are ineffective. And yes, Americans are suckered into a consumer culture. It's why everyone goes crazy shopping during Christmas season. Remember the Tickle Me Elmo nonsense? It's embedded in America, and it's unhealthy, as is the obsession with sports.

There are all sorts of things wrong with society. It's our nature to have differences within our communities, people etc. Why do you care so much about media being a non-conformist you should just be in your basement playing D&D not giving a shit about society, not being a communist posterchild.

You just need to realize that Sports are a good thing for this country. It's a huge revenue for the country, learn some economics, we get an ample amount of money for hosting events here, the NFL makes a giant amount of money off of events that are held here, shit Baseball is america's past time, we have people coming from other countries on scholarships to live the American dream. Just get over yourself, go get a gym membership or something. Jesus Christ you're the most bitter person I could ever imagine, fucking nerd.

To quote mj, "I'm not bitter." Your non-conformist thing doesn't even make sense (same with most of your reply).

Why do I care? Because at some point, it stops being just fun and games and starts being obsessive and disturbing, as I've said. Many people pass this point. I can think of two people off the top of my head that live in squalor but still put 45"+ TVs on layaway to watch football.

In short, D3v, if you're going to argue with me, at least bring up some valid points. All you did was call me a non-conformist communist.


Anyway, here's a link to an article that argues sports fans are socially dysfunctional, using pride vicariously as a method of gaining self-esteem. http://media.www.louisvillecardinal.com/media/storage/paper964/news/2003/10/28/Opinion/Sports.Fans.Socially.Dysfunctional.Studies.Show-2224429.shtml

Maybe you guys should be playing D&D in your basements. That's basically what watching football together is.

[Grav]

Match.

Hillarious.

Says the guy who called mj a "pussy" for not advocating invading Iraq. I think there is a strong correlation between sports obsession, male chauvinism, and a follow-your-leaders-like-sheep mentality. (As long as those leaders are male chauvinists, that is.)

It must be part of a larger problem... something innate, deep in your psyche.

Oh yeah. It's called idiocy.

[Atnas]

Well put, Grav.


Maybe you guys should be playing D&D in your basements. That's basically what watching football together is.

Actually, playing D&D would be a better use of time. D&D actually requires a little thought and strategy. :)

[gruesomeBODY]

I am not going to even bother with either side because both have there advantages and disadvantages.

On the topic of this thread, i have been speaking to Pats fans since last Sunday (maybe to rub it in) and they believe the game was given to the Giants by the Refs. On the Giants board at ESPN, they have a threads going stating this. I think its idiotic, one because its against my team, and secondly because i thought it was a well officiated game. What do you all think???

[Thanatos]

Actually, playing D&D would be a better use of time. D&D actually requires a little thought and strategy. :)

Football doesn't require thought and strategy? Only a person that has no idea what they're talking about would state this. Do you realize that to be good in the NFL you have to be one smart motherfucker? You have to fit in with your coach's game plan/schemes and run the plays correctly. If you fuck up and can't learn the system, you aren't going to play. It's as simple as that.

Sports not requiring thought and strategy... that's quite the laugh.

[D3V]

Dude, defending D&D in the sports forum is a bad idea.


And Grav, it's people like you that overanalyze the game, any game, sports in general. I mean there are good and bad sides of both of it, but if you don't like it, then don't respond to it. You are NOT going to change the minds of anybody that is a sports fanatic. Like i'm sure there are things you are a fanatic about that people disagree with or hate, like communism, and anything that any of us say will never change your mind, so why even bother?..

[Demosthenes]

Football doesn't require thought and strategy? Only a person that has no idea what they're talking about would state this. Do you realize that to be good in the NFL you have to be one smart motherfucker? You have to fit in with your coach's game plan/schemes and run the plays correctly. If you fuck up and can't learn the system, you aren't going to play. It's as simple as that.

Sports not requiring thought and strategy... that's quite the laugh.

I think he was saying playing D&D as opposed to watching sports, not necessarily playing sports.

[Thanatos]

Either way, I'm sure they view all athletes as idiotic meatheads that don't know how to tie their own shoe. People that are bad at sports, are clearly out of shape (fat), or just didn't grow up playing sports are naturally going to be jealous and negative to those people that do and excel at it.

Why come into an obvious sports-related thread and bash everybody and anything in it? I don't see the point.

[D3V]

I feel it to really be pathetic how this thread has turned out. There are a lot of intelligent athletes that do take advantage of their scholarships, and then again there are some that abuse it.

Who

Gives

A

Fuck?


There are rotten ass and wonderful people everywhere you go. There are people that need welfare, and some that abuse it. Some people that have rich parents and are babied into everything their entire life, and struggling veterans that can't even keep a home due to whatever reason... What i'm saying is there's always going to be something wrong with something good, no matter what the situation is.

.... And I really feel that Grav is jealous that he probably got beat up in school, not for any reason other than being the little fat retarded kid that was too conformist to hang out with anybody, so he just sat in the back of the bleacher and tried using his telekensis to make the kids in the Gym's head explode..

[gruesomeBODY]

Dude, defending D&D in the sports forum is a bad idea.


I am not defending D&D at all. I actually think that Sports is one of the best things in life, espeically when you think about the heatlhy aspects and abilities that comes with it. But Grav has proven once again that he can take any argument and provide some valid points. But his points are of an extreme level, so it is hard to believe everything that he has to say.

Again, i want to ask, has anybody heard of these reports that Pats fans think the refs gave the game to the Giants? because i have watched the game and havent seen any moment that would warrent this at all. I just think that these Pats fans are whinny sore losers and thank god somebody put them in thier place.

On another note, i heard that the eagles are making a push for Moss and Samual. I guess since their divison rival won something, they decided to try and go for it all this year.

[Grav]

All you are doing here is attacking me instead of my argument. As it stands, you still haven't actually countered any of my points. All you've done is make yourself look immature.

As for your "some things are just the way they are" bullshit, that's part of the (incoming lulz) conformist, complacent and apathetic attitude of the ignorant American populace. If you are just going to lie down and take anything that comes at you because it's inevitable, then please enjoy your suspended habeus corpus ass rape courtesy of the USGov. I hope you look forward to holding a dead-end job and living a mediocre life, as that's inevitable too.

.... And I really feel that Grav is jealous that he probably got beat up in school, not for any reason other than being the little fat retarded kid that was too conformist to hang out with anybody, so he just sat in the back of the bleacher and tried using his telekensis to make the kids in the Gym's head explode..

If it makes my point somehow more valid in your little mind, I played third base in high school. I used to watch baseball and go to games at Shea stadium. I fell out of it because it became boring. Even when I did play/watch, I never used "we" or "our" when referring to MLB teams. Why? Because I'm not a moron.

Your weird images of my social obscurity couldn't be more wrong, by the way. If you're going to knock my character, at least get your facts straight.

Finally, for the love of god, get some sense. You have the mental and emotional state of a nine year old.

[D3V]

Finally, for the love of god, get some sense. You have the mental and emotional state of a nine year old.

You are the one complaining about people enjoying sports.

[Grav]

People taking sports too far. Any kind of fanatacism is bad. Referring to a team you have no affiliation with as "we", getting really riled up about the perfomance of said team, to the point where an entire town's mood is effected by it, is borderline fanatacism.

[Thanatos]

This is getting old....

Gruesome, no I have not heard of those allegations but they aren't the least bit true. It's just Pats fans whining and being sore losers. They're still stunned they didn't go 19-0. Oh well, get over it.

[D3V]

So people getting excited and having passion is a bad thing, if other people are doing it? You are the biggest fucking moron on the face of the earth.

[Thanatos]

People taking sports too far. Any kind of fanatacism is bad. Referring to a team you have no affiliation with as "we", getting really riled up about the perfomance of said team, to the point where an entire town's mood is effected by it, is borderline fanatacism.

SO FUCKING WHAT. You've made your point. Some people agree. Some don't. People have different opinions. Get off it already. Jesus Christ, way to derail a thread.

[D3V]

Yeah, so did anybody watch the pro bowl? I seen Freddy do a few decent things, but nothing spectacular...

[Titusfied]

Says the guy who called mj a "pussy" for not advocating invading Iraq. I think there is a strong correlation between sports obsession, male chauvinism, and a follow-your-leaders-like-sheep mentality. (As long as those leaders are male chauvinists, that is.)

It must be part of a larger problem... something innate, deep in your psyche.

Oh yeah. It's called idiocy.

Do I think we need to continue with the war in Iraq? No. Do I think it was ALWAYS a bad idea? No again. The last thing we needed was a fucking pussy that was going to sit with his thumb up his ass and do nothing about the problems abroad.

Grow up and stop hugging trees. Stop eating them too.

[Atnas]

Anyway, here's a link to an article that argues sports fans are socially dysfunctional, using pride vicariously as a method of gaining self-esteem. http://media.www.louisvillecardinal.com/media/storage/paper964/news/2003/10/28/Opinion/Sports.Fans.Socially.Dysfunctional.Studies.Show-2224429.shtml


Did anyone actually read this? Great article.

And when I made the statement about DnD, I meant those who watch the sport.

I have no problem with honest players, and they are by all means intelligent. It's the fans I just don't understand. It's like someone who plays a video game referring to the developers as "we" when they weren't on the production team.

"We really did a good job on Final Fantasy XIII." What?

[D3V]

Why must you DERAIL?!


And yes, I just glanced at that article, and I do understand where you guys are getting at. But these studies don't imply for EVERY SINGLE FAN. Stereotyping is usually more-so correct, but doesn't pertain to everybody. I noticed a line in that story that said when the team wins the 'person' reffers to the team as "we" and when they lose they reffer to as "they".. Which is stupid, this sounds more-so like a bandwagon fan if you ask me.

I just don't honestly see why the over-analytical process about sports is even going on. If fans want to act stupid and bandwagon and waste money on products that the team they like are plastered on, who cares? It's good for the economy, it's good for the city. Quit trying to be so negative and against anything popular

I do however, like the end of the article

Sports fans would answer these negative assessments of their lifestyle with a resounding "NUH-UH!" Sociologists, they might say, like to say big fancy words to make stuff sound bad. If fans want to center their lives on sports, that is their right. In the words of one Green Bay Packers fan, "the Packers are like your children. You don't love them because they're good. You love them because they're yours."



Basically where i'm getting at is Sociologists are just morons who over-analyze things because they have nothing better to study and analytically peice together for the purpose of their study. Basically, it just comes down to...


Who gives a fuck?..

[Grav]

The last thing we needed was a fucking pussy that was going to sit with his thumb up his ass and do nothing about the problems abroad.

What problems abroad?? The nonexistent "Weapons of Mass Destruction?" The terrorism that we have fostered? Or are you talking about the religious/cultural power struggle that we have only exacerbated in Iraq?

[Demosthenes]

What problems abroad?? The nonexistent "Weapons of Mass Destruction?" The terrorism that we have fostered? Or are you talking about the religious/cultural power struggle that we have only exacerbated in Iraq?

I made a thread about it to not further derail this one, but yea...couldn't have said it better.

[Grav]

Basically where i'm getting at is Sociologists are just morons who over-analyze things because they have nothing better to study and analytically peice together for the purpose of their study. Basically, it just comes down to...


Who gives a fuck?..

Sociologists. Duh.

What you don't realize is that sociologists work in major fields of business and economics. They are not quacks. It is a social science, as economics is. You've told me to "learn economics" or some similar hypocritical nonsense. By your logic, economists "are just morons who over-analyze things because they have nothing better to study and analytically peice together for the purpose of their study." Holy crap that's a terrible "peice" of writing.

[D3V]

Economists are highly more important than sociologists. Finding new ways of how humans operate in their daily lives isn't going to be anything new to us, it's all old and we know already how humans function, anything new is just going to be more over-analyzed information that is in relevence will be insignificant.. While on the evolution factor the Economy is what makes us function towards the future, while our Society doesn't need to be analyzed to the extent that it is.

[Demosthenes]

anything new is just going to be more over-analyzed information that is in relevence will be insignificant..

Yea...no.

These are a couple of pretty good rebuttals: http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/toc/ajs/current

http://jos.sagepub.com/

Both excellent and informative journals.

[D3V]

I'll have to check them out. Look, when you break it down with this particular argument, it's always going to be opinion vs. opinion, so you guys may think that i'm wrong all day long, but without somebody to question everything, where would the fun be?