"The Jena 6" Have you heard?

[NyxianaSpades]

Howdy,

By now I'm hoping you've heard about the
fucked up situation in Jena, LA. In case you haven't:

http://revcom.us/a/095/free-jena-six-en.html
(the first in a series of articles in Revolution about
the Jena 6)
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...LATE=DEFA ULT

The first of the Jena 6 to be convicted, Mychal Bell,
is scheduled to be sentenced on September 20th. I'm
trying to organize a contingent from this area to be
at the courthouse in Jena and stand against this.

Whatever your ideology maybe, and however vehemently you disagree with mine, we can all agree that this is an injustice. The charges against these 6 kids need to be dropped. They need to know in Jena, as well as in the rest of this country, that we will not stand for this blatant racism.

If you want to get involved, let me know. Message me, or email me (iamdoug2k@yahoo.com). And if you aren't in Texas, see if you can't organize something where you are. If you need help, I can give you a place to start.

-Purple

I got the above thing from a friend of mine on Myspace... Me an him and a few of our friends are acctually going to Jena LA, on the 20th to help the ppl... One of the links above is connected to the Revolutionary Communist party asking ppl to come to Jena and protest what is going on. It's wanted to be made clear that should anyone go out in protest you will not be associated with the RCP just for being there. Anyways I figured of all place's someone here might have something to say about this... I think its a bunch of Bullshit... I also have more information on this if you want to find out more you can contact me at www.myspace.com/thequeenofspades4386 ty for reading have a nice day

Ja

(sorry for double posting this... I posted it in the wrong place at first **ducks head** I know I'm a ditz)

[Thanatos]

Sounds like an article I posted a while back. Lemme find it.. Here (http://zelaron.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41994)

There are still some regions in the south that think they're living in the 60's. This shit honestly makes me sick. I think it's pretty cool that you and some friends are traveling there. I don't know what you can do to help besides protest, but good luck to you guys.

[Willkillforfood]

I'm sorry, but whether or not there were racial injustices in the past I do believe they deserve more stern treatment than a slap on the wrist. The opposite is the truth here ...I've seen black guys beat up white kids who were white supremacists, but that doesn't justify their method. What did they get? They didn't even get fucking detention because the white kid used the "n word".

White or black people should be punished for these things. Race shouldn't be an issue only stupidity. Sure, the symbolism of the nooses is horrible and the students should be punished for that, but that certainly does not justify assault and they should be punished. That guy wasn't just roughed up a little, he was savagely beaten. I've gone to a dance with a broken leg before and it didn't mean shit.

[!King_Amazon!]

Agreed with Willkill.

The only injustice here is that those 6 black students are being glorified as heroes. All of this shit is just widening the gap between whites and blacks.

Did those students really think that attacking a white kid for being a racist would help anything at all? It just gives the white supremists even more to use against them, as they're doing right now, and they deserve what they are getting. People need to learn that violence is a LAST RESORT and not something you do because you feel you're justified, because most likely you AREN'T.

I will agree that there are many imbalances in our country as far as what opportunities the dominant groups have versus the subordinate groups(No, I'm not saying blacks are worse than whites, those are the actual terms used for the different social groups,) but people really need to learn how to handle it better than this. When someone dislikes/hates you, and you attack them for it, or retaliate in any way, you just make them dislike/hate you more. Fuel to the fire. It seems pretty obvious to me.

[Thanatos]

It all depends on the events after the nooses were hung. You have to agree that that in itself is a moral outrage. It is my understanding that there was a fight involving multiple persons from each party, yet only the "Jena 6" are being charged. I read that the main guy, Mychal Bell, is facing up to 22 years in prison. For assault. People get beat up everyday, why is this case so different? That is where the race card comes into play.

[D3V]

All that needs to be done is the charges lowered for all of the kids, give them all equal punishments for the fights. But who knows, there still may be more shit out there that we don't even know about, and of course the NAACP has to come in and stir up even more shit, so doesn't look like things are going to change any time soon.

[!King_Amazon!]

The more people join one side or the other, the bigger the fight gets. Give all of the black kids and all of the white kids the same damn charges and tell everyone to STFU, especially that asshat Sharpton.

[Willkillforfood]

Well, all I can say is that kid I saw on t.v. didn't look like he was in a stereotypical high school fight. Looks like he was jumped by them but that's just my opinion. It does not take much to kill someone and with the swelling his face had it looks like he took some serious blows. I've been hit in the face with a baseball bat before and I didn't look like that.

Whether or not he said "nigger", who gives a shit? That gives you NO right to beat someone to death. Sure, they didn't beat him to death but I really and sincerely doubt they were thinking about that. They could have killed him

I'm trying to find the whole story but all I'm getting is pro-black propoganda.

[!King_Amazon!]

Well, he went to some sports game that night, after getting the shit beat outta him. It couldn't have been THAT bad.

[D3V]

It's just being blown out of proportion by everyone, the justice system down there is filled with hick ass rednecks that are taking the absolutely wrong side of this, the Supreme Justice system might have to take over for a fair trial, and all of these morons marching down there are like everyone has said, making the situation worse.

[Thanatos]

The more people join one side or the other, the bigger the fight gets. Give all of the black kids and all of the white kids the same damn charges and tell everyone to STFU, especially that asshat Sharpton.

Word. I hate it how Sharpton uses every national, race-based arguement to his advantage. I mean, basically right now he's just in it for himself. To promote THE REV AL SHARPTON!

But, you're right, the charges should be the same for every single kid involved and people should move on. Isn't the trial going on today? It'd be crazy if a riot broke out or something.

[-Spector-]

I think that when the white kid pulled the gun on the two black kids, and they wrestled him to the ground and took the gun was the right thing to do.. shit they have balls for even attempting to remove the gun from his possesion. And the fact that the white guy got nothing, and the 2 blacks got charged assualt and THEFT? are you serious?

thats a little rediculous..

[Willkillforfood]

I'm watching a show about it on the news right now. 6 black dudes jumped him. They threw him down and started beating him even after he was unconcious. Is that a stereotypical highschool fight? He really could have died. Sure, he went to a dance but who gives a shit? They didn't break his legs but that's not what it takes to kill someone.

I'm not saying that the white kids shouldn't be charged equally for their things. The white kid with the gun, if proven to not be trying to defend himself, should be jailed too. I'm sorry but I've just seen too much of this shit in my lifetime.

It happened at least 8 times at my highschool alone during my 4 years there. Tons of black dudes jumped racist white guys one at a time when they went to the bathroom. They just sat in the bathroom waiting. Those were the only instances of it happening. Guess how many of them got expelled (some of them were involved in multiple cases)? None. Where was the outrage? There was none. I'm sorry but even if the white guy was saying "nigger" initially ...it was a hate crime perpetuated by the african americans on him. Believe it or not, you can have someone jailed or sue them for using language like that ...but you're not supposed to kill them.

That simplistic thinking should have went the way of the dinosaurs. Reverse racism isn't any good either. I'm glad at least the Supreme Court's starting to think that way. I'm a liberal in general but not on the issue of "reverese racism being okay".

I'm a little bias I suppose. I'm a nice guy and didn't start shit with anyone and some of those very same black guys started shit with me. I had one "check" me trying to push me into the lockers and I just threw his ass into the wall. He didn't mess with me anymore at least.

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At least one of the kids stood on the unconcious guy's head. Just a normal school yard fight. They should be slapped on the wrist *nods*.

[!King_Amazon!]

I don't care what someone SAYS to you, it does not justify violence against them.

I'm all for self defense, but only immature people retaliate when someone calls them a name.

[Willkillforfood]

Where are D3v and Thanatos's backing up the black dudes now? 6 on 1. Sorry, but that's a pretty typical thing in the South. It's reverse now. It's not white people lynching black people, but black people lynching white people with all but legal immunity. I tell you an option the kids should be given to expunge all charges.

Let the kid that got beaten up and 5 of his friends beat up each one of them. Sounds fair, right? I think so. Maybe I should e-mail that one to Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton.

[Vollstrecker]

Where are D3v and Thanatos's backing up the black dudes now? 6 on 1. Sorry, but that's a pretty typical thing in the South. It's reverse now. It's not white people lynching black people, but black people lynching white people with all but legal immunity. I tell you an option the kids should be given to expunge all charges.

Let the kid that got beaten up and 5 of his friends beat up each one of them. Sounds fair, right? I think so. Maybe I should e-mail that one to Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton.

It's actually been similar for me back in Jr/High School as well, the reverse racism seems to be getting larger. Down here, a lot of the Mexicans had started in on it as well.

Stupid people will kill us all.

[Willkillforfood]

African americans are plagued by criminal convictions.

http://www.hrw.org/backgrounder/usa/race/pdf/table4.pdf

That has the % of population of blacks in a state and what percentage of the prison population they are. I'm sorry, but I don't think it's just racism through my personal experience. A lot of the blame needs to go to the parenting (or lack there of).

[D3V]

Chart is from 2002.

[Thanatos]

Where are D3v and Thanatos's backing up the black dudes now? 6 on 1. Sorry, but that's a pretty typical thing in the South. It's reverse now. It's not white people lynching black people, but black people lynching white people with all but legal immunity. I tell you an option the kids should be given to expunge all charges.

Let the kid that got beaten up and 5 of his friends beat up each one of them. Sounds fair, right? I think so. Maybe I should e-mail that one to Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton.

Dude, like I said earlier, people get beat up every single day. Yes, even 6 on 1 beatings. These guys got charged for attempted murder. Are you kidding me? The white guy went to a school function that same night. Yeah, he must have been pretty banged up. Yes, the charges were lessened a bit but one guy is still facing 15+ years in prison.. for beating somebody up. If that same stance was followed nation-wide, half of the highschool population should be jailed right now.

[D3V]

Where are D3v and Thanatos's backing up the black dudes now? 6 on 1. Sorry, but that's a pretty typical thing in the South. It's reverse now. It's not white people lynching black people, but black people lynching white people with all but legal immunity. I tell you an option the kids should be given to expunge all charges.

Let the kid that got beaten up and 5 of his friends beat up each one of them. Sounds fair, right? I think so. Maybe I should e-mail that one to Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton.

I stated my point earlier. We have morons like Jesse Jackson and Al sharpton making the entire situation worse. MOST AMERICANS can agree that the charges are bullshit. It's out of our hands, it's out of the NAACP's hands, the only people that can change what happened is the court that made the ruling, or even possibly the Supreme Court.

Let's take into consideration they did try and kill him, so what. Isn't that what you do in a fight? You try to knock somebody unconcious. Shit happens, people get hurt. He isn't dead. If they we're really trying to kill him they probably would have finished the job. I am not consouling the fighting, or mention that it is right or anything, but as Thanatos said they we're just fighting.

Just suspend all of the kids from school for the rest of the year, Expell them, whatever. Let them find another way of Education. Throw out the charges, and move the fuck on.

Everyone that plays the race card is usually more racist than what is actually going on. Americans are so dimwitted these days.

[!King_Amazon!]

This all just shows you that white people are stronger, smarter, and classier than black people.

White Pewr!

[Willkillforfood]

Brb, I'm gonna go beat up some guy then -stand on his head- and hope that someone with you guys' demeanors is trying me.

[Willkillforfood]

This all just shows you that white people are stronger, smarter, and classier than black people.

White Pewr!

Eh, I'd say black people are definitely stronger on average, lol. white pewr.

[!King_Amazon!]

Strength comes from within, Willkill. Everyone knows black people don't have souls.

They also came from the mud.

White Pewr!

[Thanatos]

So you're saying he deserves 15+ years in prison?

[Willkillforfood]

Do you honestly think he'd serve 15 years? I don't know if he deserves to serve 15 years since I'm not a legal specialist. Personally, I'd like to see him serve a year or two at least to perhaps teach him not to stand on peoples' heads when they're unconcious. Racism or not, that's fucked up and I can very easily see why he got attempted murder.

He has a past history of breaking laws though ...that's one of the things going against him they were talking about on CNN. If this was his first offense he might be alright, but establishing a pattern of criminal behavior will get you fucked.

[Willkillforfood]

Dude, like I said earlier, people get beat up every single day. Yes, even 6 on 1 beatings. These guys got charged for attempted murder. Are you kidding me? The white guy went to a school function that same night. Yeah, he must have been pretty banged up. Yes, the charges were lessened a bit but one guy is still facing 15+ years in prison.. for beating somebody up. If that same stance was followed nation-wide, half of the highschool population should be jailed right now.

I honestly went through all my years of school without seeing someone stand on an unconcious guy's head after being a pussy and beating him up with a group of people. We did have a fight at my school like this one but it wasn't inspired by racism. Guess what? The kid who was getting beat up by the group of people died.

Just because it happens all the time doesn't make it right, Thanatos. It starts out innocently enough as a normal fight until someone gets killed. They very easily could have killed this guy. It's a crime and they're being punished. They may be fucked and have hardass judges etc., but that's the risk they took. I do not feel a single bit sorry for them and I hope they enjoy their time in jail if they don't get the racism "get out of jail free card".

They won't feel so tough when they're getting it up the ass from a 50-year-old murderer.

[!King_Amazon!]

Thanatos, from what I've heard, it isn't just a "fight." 6 guys beating the shit out of a guy until he's unconscious and then beating some more shit out of him is not a fight, it's 6 guys beating the shit out of 1 guy because he said "nigger."

[Thanatos]

I have never once said that I condone the actions of the main perpetrator. What he did was not right; I fully understand that. BUT, what he's being charged with and his sentencing isn't right.

In this particular instance, what happened does not warrant 15+ years in a federal prison. Hours after the "fight" the guy went out and hung out with his friends!!!! Obviously, he wasn't hurt that bad.

Look, I'm not backing this guy up. I'm not saying how he handled the noose situation was right, all I'm saying is that the charges he's being presented with are completely fucked up.

[!King_Amazon!]

What noose situation?

You know that the nooses were hung in the tree like 3 months before this fight even happened. It's completely unrelated.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070922/ap_on_re_us/a_place_called_jena_3;_ylt=ApvcexcbjCKgxnvxcvoZglw keedF

Check out that article. It clears up a lot of things that people are very misinformed about in this situation.

In my opinion, people need to just shut the fuck up about race for once, and look at this blind to color. The white students shouldn't be punished more or less for their race and the black students shouldn't either. It shouldn't even be "6 black students attacked a white student" or "a white student called 6 black students niggers." It should be "a bunch of troublemakers started shit at this school and no longer belong at it."

When you bring race into this shit you just inflame everything 100 times worse than it should be.

[Thanatos]

Well it was my understanding that the reason the 6 black dudes jumped him was because of the nooses. That's what all the major news outlets were reporting, at least.

Even though, just looking at the clear facts, you cannot agree to this guy's sentencing. It's outlandish.

[!King_Amazon!]

Thanatos, I think we CAN agree that everyone in this situation is being a bunch of asshats. Both blacks and whites.

The information about the situation is being completely abused by the black community to be used to stir up some shit and start some new-age civil rights movement. It all comes down to the fact that everyone is being dumb in this, not just the blacks or just the whites.

The whites are abusing their race to get away with things they shouldn't and to punish the blacks more than they should be able to, but the blacks are not helping themselves with violence and by having Al Sharpton representing them.

IMO, the best thing the black community could do is tell Al Sharpton to sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up because he's the biggest asshat these days. Back a few years ago he wasn't that bad but now he's just an asshat.

Also, the Jury that tried the boys was ALL WHITE, and this is being repeated over and over, but if you'll refer to the article, and the facts, blacks were included in the people chosen at random for the jury, but NONE of them showed up. They're not helping themselves by doing that.

I'm just going to conclude by saying that nobody is right in this situation, and everyone is wrong. It's being portrayed as a huge injustice between whites and blacks, but in reality it's just a bunch of asshats on both sides. I hope we can agree on at least that much.

[Willkillforfood]

White or black, what they did was wrong and they deserve to be punished. The degree of their punishment is up for debate, but standing on someone's head when they're unconcious constitutes -at least- assault, imo. I hope they like jail.

[Demosthenes]

I haven't read the entire thread, but my opinions on the issue are represented fairly well by KA and WillKill in their first few posts.

[D3V]

Owned, here's an update *back on topic*

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/10/11/bell.jail/index.html

They we're ordered back to jail, and apparently they left out to report that these kids are REPEAT offenders, even as teenagers. Goddamnit.