Emperor Palpatine vs. Lord Voldemort

[Kuja`s #1]

The terror of the Wizarding World...the most powerful dark wizard in a century.. i give you Lord Voldemort! (the "t" was siletn originally, according to the audio versions of the books)
http://www.encyclopedie-hp.org/images/films/voldemort_gof.jpg


He squares off against the only Sith in history to successufly eliminate the Jedi and conquer the galaxy...the man who seduced Darth Emo (The Chosen One who would destroy the Sith) to the dark side...the brutal despot of the Star Wars Galaxy, Emperor Palpatine!
http://mellody.co.za/michaela/palpatine/gallery/emperor11.jpg

First round is a Beauty Contest.

Then an all-out brawl.

It's really weird...some people actually think an HP Wizard could take a high-end Sith or Jedi...

[Willkillforfood]

Palpatine. He'd make the wizard choke himself to death before he could utter a word ;).

[Lenny]

Ah, but don't forget silent spells that are said in the head. Things like Septumsempra.

[Kuja`s #1]

That's where mindraping comes in.

Palpatine: You will not say that incantation.
Voldemort: I will not say that incantation.
Palpatine: You will admit that JK Rowling ripped off my design in creating you.
Voldemort: I will admit that JK Rowling ripped off your design in creating me.

[Lenny]

Ah, but is Voldemort not also a very accomplished Occlumens? Surely he'd be able to block his mind to Palpatine's probing.

[Kuja`s #1]

Good point, actually.

It's up to yanking the wand out of Voldie's hand then. He's kinda helpless without it.

[Lenny]

Accio Wand!

We've seen in books how hard a wizard can hold on to their wand (and other objects) even when it's being pulled out their hand with some force. Which would make it very hard for it to be just yanked out of the hand. Add to that the fact that whilst he still holds the wand, Voldemort can cast a spell to disable Palpatine and interrupt him mid flow.

Indeed, Voldemort could then Accio Palpie's Lightsaber and take away his main hand-to-hand weapon.

[Kuja`s #1]

We've seen in books how hard a wizard can hold on to their wand (and other objects) even when it's being pulled out their hand with some force.

The disarming charm has ALWAYS disarmed a person. It also seems to knock them off their feet most times.

The summoning charm Bellatrix used on Harry to get the Prophecy were never completed... She started but was cut off and he just barely managed to cling onto it then.

Add to that the fact that whilst he still holds the wand, Voldemort can cast a spell to disable Palpatine and interrupt him mid flow.

Uh...no one in HP is exactly above-average in athletic speeds. They certainly aren't doing Yoda moves. Yet Harry and the rest can dodge spells. You're telling me Palpatine won't be able to get around most anything Voldie casts?

Indeed, Voldemort could then Accio Palpie's Lightsaber and take away his main hand-to-hand weapon.

While he's doing that...he's getting turned to extra-crispy wizard by Palpatine's Force lightning.

[Lenny]

The disarming charm has ALWAYS disarmed a person. It also seems to knock them off their feet most times.

Ah! But Palpatine isn't waving a wand and shouting Expelliamus is he?

Uh...no one in HP is exactly above-average in athletic speeds. They certainly aren't doing Yoda moves. Yet Harry and the rest can dodge spells. You're telling me Palpatine won't be able to get around most anything Voldie casts?

If the spells don't hit him, but force him to lose concentration and dodge, then they've helped a bit, haven't they? There's nothing in the rules that states a spell must be cast to hurt the person directly. In the books we've also heard of great things happening to the weather, and bridges collapsing and what not. Don't forget also the big explosions that have been caused by 'lesser' magicians (Wormtail particularly). Voldemort will be at least that powerful, and a lot more - with that power he should be able to cast large blanket spells that affect quite an area. How can Palpatine dodge something that's spread out over a large area and coming straight at him?

[RoboticSilence]

Which audio books were you listening to? I don't remember the T being silent.

[Kuja`s #1]

Which audio books were you listening to? I don't remember the T being silent.

1-4. Most of the pronouncing changed later on.

Dale (sp?) said "Her-mo-ne" instead of "Her-mi-o-ne". That weird stone taken from a stomach of a goat was pronounced "bu..." something French-y sounding but as of Book 6, they do what the first HP movie did and call it a "Bee-zo-er" or something. And it was always Vol-de-mor" from the audio. I have all the books and it was Vol-de-mor from 1-4 I'm fairly positive.I never heard the t and that's why I never knew how to spell his name right for a while.

Ah! But Palpatine isn't waving a wand and shouting Expelliamus is he?

No. He's thinking and yanking the wand right out of Vold's grip.

How can Palpatine dodge something that's spread out over a large area and coming straight at him?

Well...I'm not making up Force powers for Palpatine so would you mind not making up spells for Vold?

[Lenny]

I'm not making up. Start of Book 6, second page, it talks about a freak hurricane, which we later learn was magicked. A large spell which causes something that covers a large area.

[Kuja`s #1]

I'm not making up. Start of Book 6, second page, it talks about a freak hurricane, which we later learn was magicked. A large spell which causes something that covers a large area.

Actually, it was a giant.

[Lenny]

Actually, I've just checked - Death Eaters. With suspected giant involvement, but no certain evidence. We're both wrong.

[Vollstrecker]

JK Rowling has been less than specific in most of her descriptions of magic and types of magic available in her universe, while Palpatine's powers are a little more well-known.

Kinda hard to make a match without attempting to further extrapolate what the characters are capable of.

[Demosthenes]

Force Lightning, Force Choke, gg. Never even draws the lightsaber.

[Vollstrecker]

One would have to assume that Voldemort would come prepared with a simple Defensive charm active to negate an obvious attack such as Force Lightning.

Voldemort would be able to stun Palpatine with a voiceless spell, which should break his concentration enough to set up another defense.

[Demosthenes]

According to Vader in the books, Palpatine may be good enough to read people's minds (such as Vaders). Palpatine may be prepared for whatever Voldy was going to throw at him. Not to mention that Palpy would simply dodge anything Voldy through at him.

[Vollstrecker]

According to Harry Potter books, Voldemort was an accomplished Occlumens, which directly counters his mind being read.

[Demosthenes]

According to Harry Potter books, Voldemort was an accomplished Occlumens, which directly counters his mind being read.

Yea, but Vader wasn't exactly weak on such things either.

[Vollstrecker]

Yea, but Vader wasn't exactly weak on such things either.

Possibly, we have no basis to measure strength of will against them though. It was said that Voldemort had put many powerful wizards and witches under the Imperius curse though, which would imply that he may be a match for Palpatine in that department.

[Kuja`s #1]

Well..i was keeping this strictly to the movies but if we want to use the books (Expanded Universe) there's no real way at all Voldemort can win. Palpatine was insanely strong in books. In terms of precisiona nd skill, he effortlessly traced and outline with Darth Maul using his lightsaber and if Maul had so much as twitched, he would hav ebeen sliced to bits. He annihilated 100 stromtroopers (augmented stromies no less) with one effortless blast of Force lightning.

He buried, using the Force, a Super Star Destroyer named the Lusankya. The Lusankya has a length of 19 kilometers which this one site says is almost 12 miles. He picked that up, buried it beneath the planet, then mindraped everyone on Coruscant to forget.

[Lenny]

You can't keep strictly to the Voldemort from the films, because he's had a total screentime of probably an hour compared to however many hours of Palpatine.

[Kuja`s #1]

I said Palpatine from the movies. You can use BooK Voldemort.

[!King_Amazon!]

I've always thought of Palpatine as a powerful being as far as his control over people and the force goes. He's a mastermind, pretty much. Unfortunately for him, Voldemort would not be one to be controlled.

Almost certainly, Voldemort could absolutely dominate Palpatine with non-spoken spells, and Palpatine would not be able to know it's coming. The arguement that Palpatine could read Voldemort's mind was suggested earlier, but it simply wouldn't happen. It's not even certain that Palpatine CAN read minds, and even if he can, it's very doubtful that he would be good enough at it to get through Voldemort's mental defenses.

As far as Palpatine's other powers go(force powers), compared to what Voldemort can do, they're pretty much just parlor tricks. Most likely Voldemort could simple just shield himself from whatever sort of "magic" Palpatine tries to use.

As badass as Palpatine is, most of his skills would not serve him well in a fight with Voldemort. Voldemort would be victorious.

[Kuja`s #1]

Parlor tricks to what Voldemort can do?

Palpatine can rip Senate Pods out of their durasteel restraints, lift 3 of them up in the air and throw them..with ease. .Each one is about the size of a car. We saw how fast Yoda is but where is it even suggested anyone in Hp is that agile? If Palpatine starts chucking things at Voldemort, he can of course apperate but precog kinda renders "poof and I'm here" useless.

Also, Force lightning and Force choke are far more impressive than turning "fiery rope" into a snake.

Also, even non-spoken spells can be dodged. There's also the nasty business of Palpatine just yanking Voldemort's wand away and breaking it in half. Voldemort has nothing to counter it...unless you can provide an instance he resisted this?

[Vollstrecker]

I'm a bit unfamiliar with 'Book Palpatine', so I'll have to take your descriptions at face value.

Precog didn't exactly work out too well for the Emperor in the movies though. ;)