Adult forum

[!King_Amazon!]

For the past little while now there's been a behind the scenes discussion about the posibility of an adults only forum. The idea we pretty much came up with was we would have an "Adult Discussion" forum which would pretty much mean you can talk about the nastiest shit you want, 18+ kinda stuff. Then there would be another subforum for pretty much having porn/models/etc. That forum might end up being split into separate sections if it gets enough activity and the activity is diverse(Swimsuit Models/Softcore/Hardcore/Hentai/Gay/Furry/whatever.)

The forum would be a private one, probably requiring moderator approval for you to enter, or some other sort of system. The fine details haven't really been discussed yet.

Be aware, if you're not 18+ or close to being 18, your vote and opinion won't really matter much, since you won't have anything to do with the new forum.

Please give some feedback in this thread, suggestions, opinions, anything is fine.

[KagomJack]

Like I said before, we have one of these Adult boards on peta-sucks.com. It's a really fun place and we typically have some good stuff posted from all around.

So I say we should do it. It'll be a totally kick-ass idea. :)

[Jessifer]

I'm for it. Might actually keep me around that way.

[Sovereign]

I think it would be a good idea. Might make it interesting. Certain... 'odd' forums should be private even to the 18+ though (Example: furry + hentai) as these are odd interests and are prone to much mockery ~_~. One person should be in charge of giving memebers approval to see such forums. (Kagom can have furry)

[KagomJack]

I don't really forsee furries coming to Zel.

[!King_Amazon!]

I think it would be a good idea. Might make it interesting. Certain... 'odd' forums should be private even to the 18+ though (Example: furry + hentai) as these are odd interests and are prone to much mockery ~_~. One person should be in charge of giving memebers approval to see such forums. (Kagom can have furry)
Not necessary, if people go in there and ridicule others for what they're doing, they'll most likely get kicked out of the 18+ forum. As that forum will have less moderation than the others, I would think/hope that rules would be enforced very harshly.

[Jessifer]

However, what of those users who lie about there age? Should there be a certain amount of time you've been a member in order to post in there?

[KagomJack]

That's why I agree with Sov on the whole member needs approval.

[!King_Amazon!]

However, what of those users who lie about there age? Should there be a certain amount of time you've been a member in order to post in there?
I suggested that only members and Senior members should be allowed in. If a person lies about their age, they would be responsible for it. Most likely there will be a disclaimer just like on porn sites.

[!King_Amazon!]

That's why I agree with Sov on the whole member needs approval.
Members will need approval to get into the overall adult forum. Sov was saying members should need approval to get into certain "fetish" subforums for the main forum, which is uneccessary.

[Sovereign]

Would sup mods then be given the ability to ban from individal forums if a problem pops up, or would we just temp ban them until an admin can come ona and change their viewing ability?

[Jessifer]

Filter out the idiots?

[Sovereign]

If people lie about their age, INSTA ban. Providing porn to minors is illegal. Zero tolerance imo.

[!King_Amazon!]

Would sup mods then be given the ability to ban from individal forums if a problem pops up, or would we just temp ban them until an admin can come ona and change their viewing ability?
I don't know details such as this. There is currently no system set up, and no idea how it will be set up. Don't worry about minors getting in, that will be dealt with. I just want to know what you guys think about the idea.

[Shining Knights]

It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

[!King_Amazon!]

When there's pussy involved, it's always a good thing.

Well, unless you're gay, then I guess it's not.

[Shining Knights]

It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

[Sovereign]

No. Normal people enjoy porn too. They'd keep all this shit in the adult forum anyway.

[Lenny]

I'd guess that people won't know about the adult forum unless they're told.

I don't know if it's possible, but maybe a PM could be sent out to them when they get Member or Senior Member status, telling them about the forum.

Obviously it won't be visible to those who aren't in that forum group, so who's to know it exists?

[Shining Knights]

It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

[Lenny]

Completely up to whoever brings it into being.

Look at the Dragoon forum at the bottom of the page - you can only see the public bit, and not the private bit.

There could be a public bit where people can request admission, rather than being sent a PM inviting them in when they get to a certain status and age.

[Titusfied]

Eh, I don't think it'll be all that cool, plus, mostly the only time I check Zelaron out is when I'm at work, and I'm assuming that I'd now have to view it with discretion because it won't be work appropriate.. I voted no.

[Lenny]

I couldn't care less about an adult forum for the moment, to be honest. I won't be old enough to view it for another nine months or so, so I might as well vote "no". But I won't, because !K_A! did state in his post that the opinions of those under 18 really don't matter for toffee in this case. :p

[Vollstrecker]

You don't feel that this would divide the forum? The forum has seen a bit more activity, but this kind of thing has the potential to seperate the forum into 'haves' and 'have-nots', if the adult memberbase no longer actively participates in the older Zel sections, especially if more adults come to the site.

If it does happen, is there a possibility of a setting or linking accounts so that I can not have the Adult section show/load if I'm browsing from work? I'd like to keep my job and keep Zel from being blocked.

[Kuja`s #1]

Sure. Why not.

[Grav]

You don't feel that this would divide the forum? The forum has seen a bit more activity, but this kind of thing has the potential to seperate the forum into 'haves' and 'have-nots', if the adult memberbase no longer actively participates in the older Zel sections, especially if more adults come to the site.

If it does happen, is there a possibility of a setting or linking accounts so that I can not have the Adult section show/load if I'm browsing from work? I'd like to keep my job and keep Zel from being blocked.

Since WW has the same concerns about it being NSFW, we would have to come up with some privacy system if this happens.

[Vollstrecker]

Since WW has the same concerns about it being NSFW, we would have to come up with some privacy system if this happens.

That's good to hear.

[Lenny]

What about if you name the forum something that isn't easily recognisable as an adult forum, and when the forum header is clicked only then does it show the posts - when you view it on the main page it will look like the Talk to the Staff forum does to non-staff... if that's possible?

Or have no forum header at all, but a link in Quick Links?

[!King_Amazon!]

Eh, I don't think it'll be all that cool, plus, mostly the only time I check Zelaron out is when I'm at work, and I'm assuming that I'd now have to view it with discretion because it won't be work appropriate.. I voted no.
Unless you've got access to the forum, you won't ever see it at work. If you don't want to participate, you don't have to.

[!King_Amazon!]

You don't feel that this would divide the forum? The forum has seen a bit more activity, but this kind of thing has the potential to seperate the forum into 'haves' and 'have-nots', if the adult memberbase no longer actively participates in the older Zel sections, especially if more adults come to the site.

If it does happen, is there a possibility of a setting or linking accounts so that I can not have the Adult section show/load if I'm browsing from work? I'd like to keep my job and keep Zel from being blocked.

I don't think it would divide the forum at all. It's not going to be like a "general conversation for the adults", it's going to be a section for adult topics and porn. Anything else will still be posted outside of that forum.

[KagomJack]

We should call it Teatime Funtime.

[Kuja`s #1]

Will porn be allowed?

[Willkillforfood]

Lenny's not 18. Sorry Lenny, 2 more years bro =(.

[Thanatos]

I also view Zelaron at work quite often. Also, if we DO end up getting it, I'd suggest you not include the extreme stuff (hentai, furry). Just keep it civil. We don't need to go branching out in the porn business. If you do it at all, just keep it simple.

[!King_Amazon!]

I also view Zelaron at work quite often. Also, if we DO end up getting it, I'd suggest you not include the extreme stuff (hentai, furry). Just keep it civil. We don't need to go branching out in the porn business. If you do it at all, just keep it simple.
I wouldn't consider hentai "extreme." I enjoy it from time to time. Furry porn on the other hand I would consider extreme, but we have to be considerate of all people involved :P

[!King_Amazon!]

Will porn be allowed?
That's the whole point.

[Lenny]

Lenny's not 18. Sorry Lenny, 2 more years bro =(.


2 years?! I turned 17 in Januray... 9 months until I'm 18.

[Titusfied]

Sorry Lenny, you're OUT!

[Willkillforfood]

Sorry Lenny, you're OUT!

Wait ...aren't you an adult at 16 in Britain? Like you're out of highschool at least. If you go off drinking age then I'd be out in the U.S. since you have to be 21 x_X

[Lenny]

I still think it's 18 for the UK.

16 and you're the legal age for sex and marriage.
17 and you can legally drive.
18 and you can drink.

Although you can live on your own, get a job and leave full time education at 16, I don't think we're considered adults until we're 18.

Which is fine by me. Means I've still got 9 months of free dental checks and eye tests. :D

[Thanatos]

but we have to be considerate of all people involved :P

No you don't. That will bring the wrong crowd here. I am not going to participate in a forum that promotes furries and hentai. That's fuckin sick.

[!King_Amazon!]

No you don't. That will bring the wrong crowd here. I am not going to participate in a forum that promotes furries and hentai. That's fuckin sick.
Nobody is saying you have to participate in a furry or hentai forum.

And it's not going to bring anyone here, nobody outside of the forum will even know about the private forum as it will be just that, private.

[Vollstrecker]

Nobody is saying you have to participate in a furry or hentai forum.

And it's not going to bring anyone here, nobody outside of the forum will even know about the private forum as it will be just that, private.

Well, that's good to hear, to me at least. I wasn't sure if this was to draw more activity from new people or veterans.

Provided that there's a good ''Safe for Work" feature added (this would be awesome if doable by Cookies), I'd say there's not really a whole lot of reason against it, aside from Sov being able to spam his sick shit via something other than AIM. :p

[Willkillforfood]

No you don't. That will bring the wrong crowd here. I am not going to participate in a forum that promotes furries and hentai. That's fuckin sick.

You know you've made your gf dress up like a cat once or three hundred times.

Well, might as well make a forum for this since one of the mods is apparently interested in this stuff =P. If it brings more interesting people (...they definitely would be interesting) then I'm all for it.

[Jessifer]

What about having the adult forum up for a few months as more of a "test run". If it's successful keep it up, and if it's not...well...we've gone this long without an adult forum. I'm sure no one would miss it that much if it were to be closed again.

[Dar_Win]

I say yes but if a post has porn in it you just need to put *NWS* in the tittle. It's as simple as that.

[Sovereign]

Noone would force you to look at it.

Maybe there should be a link that will lead you to an entirely new url with forums based on those free forums. Registering a domain isn't hard or expensive, I'd be willing to do that. All we'd need is hosting.

[MightyJoe]

Doesn't sound like a bad idea, again if you don't like it, you wouldn't have to visit it.

[-Spector-]

So what ever came of this idea?

[!King_Amazon!]

It went to the idea graveyard with everything else.

[D3V]

I say we implement it.

[Raziel]

God, what a terrible idea. This is the reason why:

Most any adult male has had the scenario occur where one of the guys in the group has just turned 18, and the rest of the crew wants him to score them some porn. So, he does, and all five or six of you sit there, weirdly quiet and uncomfortable as you watch some sleazy video, trying to conceal your gross teenage boners. You thought it would be funny or entertaining, but no. Now you're just aroused in a hot room full of dudes.

I'm not down with Zelaron, a gaming forum, turning into a sweaty room filled with nerd boners.

I can understand everybody's appreciation for porn. I personally believe it to be the backbone of the American economic landscape. However, I don't think you guys really thought this one out. Who wants to sit around and discuss porn? How would that conversation go? "I'm really intrigued by the way that mexican chick's labia hang down a half inch." "Dude, the duck butter running down that guy's asscrack looks the slime from Ghostbusters II!"

Porn is a solo experience for me. Not community entertainment. I'm so glad this never got implemented.

[!King_Amazon!]

Just so you know, it was going to/is going to be limited to adults. And nobody will be taking pictures of boners. I don't see the problem.

It's like "hey guys check out this really hot chick I found."

[Vollstrecker]

I don't really see any need for it, nor do I think it would attract any of the activity we're looking for. Zelaron has always been a place for discussing games, finding other people to play games with, and a place for intelligent debate in my eyes.

I just don't really see the difference between someone posting a name/link with a NSFW warning and posting the picture itself. /shrug

[Kaneda]

Can I host movies?

[!King_Amazon!]

You could post movies. I'm not the one to talk to about hosting anything. I know the idea of user webspace has been worked on before, but the size and bandwidth that you get isn't really enough to host movies.

I suppose since there wouldn't even be that many people who have access to things in the Adult Forum, hosting movies would be somewhat feasible, but like I said I'm not the one to talk to about that.

[D3V]

Well i'm glad you've thrown out so many ideas. Instead of bashing everything try suggesting something. We've already got sweaty nerds with boners that try and flirt with anything female on here, so how is this any different?

[Willkillforfood]

Can I host movies?

These aren't home movies, are they kaneda? =P

[D3V]

Instead of listening to people like Raziel, we should try going in a different direction. When I get more time i'll post more NWS type of shit in the Off-Topic forums. I don't see anything wrong with it, any activity is good activity.

[Demosthenes]

I'm pretty much with Raziel on this one.

[Thanatos]

I don't really see any need for it, nor do I think it would attract any of the activity we're looking for. Zelaron has always been a place for discussing games, finding other people to play games with, and a place for intelligent debate in my eyes.

I just don't really see the difference between someone posting a name/link with a NSFW warning and posting the picture itself. /shrug

This man is knowledgeable.

[D3V]

It's just so hard to argue against wanting more people. Chruser's aim log that Grav posted in the resignation thread was genuis, I do agree with it, but having more people is never a bad thing.

Even if somebody does stumble onto the website after looking at or for pr0n doesn't always guarntee that they are morons or geeks, (in this case geeks seem to be wanted..more Mj's, woop) but people that can carry a converstation, contribute.

Another thing is that most people are against it haven't honestly offered anything different for the forums, they just like to take the WW side of things and just bash them into the ground before giving it a chance.

[!King_Amazon!]

The Adult forum wouldn't bring new members as it would be a private forum and would not get google hits and such.

[D3V]

It isn't guarnteed that it would be private, that would also be up to a vote. This would be the perfect scenario to implement the feature to make them register after a certain amount of Views per IP..

[Thanatos]

Umm.... what?

Just because I don't want an adult forum does not mean I'm opposed to everything else. I like the ideas of bringing back News Posters, Store hack, your rep system, etc etc.

[D3V]

Well, I didn't mean it that way at all, but I suppose all-in-all it wouldn't be worth it, probably inactive, and evedentally bring the wrong sort of people among these forums that'd eventually drag it down even further than it already is.

[!King_Amazon!]

It isn't guarnteed that it would be private, that would also be up to a vote. This would be the perfect scenario to implement the feature to make them register after a certain amount of Views per IP..
It is guaranteed that it would/will be private. It will require some sort of approval before you can get in.

[D3V]

Since when has it been up to you? Last time I checked you resigned from your Sup Mod position, so last time I checked, you had just as much say in anything as everybody else does. Not to be a dick but I don't see why it can't just be public, atleast get more traffic on the site.

[!King_Amazon!]

I'm the one who originally came up with the idea and discussed how it would work with WetWired and Chruser. There was an agreement that it would HAVE to be private or else it would not be allowed, since minors view this website. Those were Chruser and WetWired's terms. WetWired has yet to figure out a way to do it where you have access at home but not at work, so it hasn't been done yet. I'm not entirely sure if that feature is even necessary, but he insisted upon it, and the idea has since stagnated.

Not being a Sup Mod means I can't ban your ass, it doesn't mean that I have no say in anything. You're wrong, there, by far.

[D3V]

If you would read, it says you have just as much say in it as everyone else does, d0uch3. I suppose the more I think about it the worse of an idea it is, the trouble isn't worth it, like other have said I'd rather have something more unique to Zelaron... something that stands out from other places and makes people want to come back.

[Demosthenes]

It is guaranteed that it would/will be private.

I think you misread that, D3V. I don't think KA was telling anyone the way it needs to be done. He was simply stating a fact.

[!King_Amazon!]

But assuming that I'm trying to be a nazi/dumbass/etc is so much easier. What are you thinking, MJ?

[Vollstrecker]

It's just so hard to argue against wanting more people. Chruser's aim log that Grav posted in the resignation thread was genuis, I do agree with it, but having more people is never a bad thing.

Even if somebody does stumble onto the website after looking at or for pr0n doesn't always guarntee that they are morons or geeks, (in this case geeks seem to be wanted..more Mj's, woop) but people that can carry a converstation, contribute.

Another thing is that most people are against it haven't honestly offered anything different for the forums, they just like to take the WW side of things and just bash them into the ground before giving it a chance.

It seems there are 2 opinions on the matter regarding getting more people here. My point of view is that I'd rather attempt to attract more posters that would add to the intellectual side of Zelaron while the other view appears to say 'new people are new people'.

I don't know about everyone, but there are other boards I can visit if I wanted to sift through a slew of retarded content, Zel's intellectual debates and discussions are what keep me here.

[Raziel]

Well i'm glad you've thrown out so many ideas. Instead of bashing everything try suggesting something. We've already got sweaty nerds with boners that try and flirt with anything female on here, so how is this any different?

It's different because it'll do exactly as Vollstrecker said months ago: divide the forum. You'll have the original group of people who are longstanding Zel members, who are videogame nerds expressing an interest in porn, then you'll have the porn nerds looking for more porn. And talking about porn. And roleplaying porn.

You'll have an influx of porn-members, about 5% of which will actually contribute to the rest of the forum, much like the activity during the major D2 days. Lots and lots and lots of morons, only this time they're not even videogame nerds, with which the rest of us have a major connecting factor. This time they're PORN freaks, and furries and scat fetishists. Is PORN really the common ground you want to establish between yourself and hundreds of complete strangers? That's not a community I want.

Instead of listening to people like Raziel, we should try going in a different direction. When I get more time i'll post more NWS type of shit in the Off-Topic forums. I don't see anything wrong with it, any activity is good activity.

I agree that the forum needs drastic changes, but not that sort of change. Have you ever actually browsed the forums on sites like Consumption Junction? The activity on their message boards is just repugnant. The quality of activity is completely faceless, individual relationships and any sort of "community" element are non-existant, and the posts themselves are 99% stupidity and vulgarity. Good activity becomes totally lost in the sea of retardation.

If Zelaron plans on making huge changes, the thing that's going to do it is not forum layout, or new styles or types of discussion. In fact, the forum itself won't save the forum at all. Content brings activity, and "content" does not include forum posts. People post about content. By content, I mean articles. Reviews, opinion pieces, news, etc. And not just shitty AP cut-and-paste like Zel used to do on the old portal; real writing. That's what brings decent, intelligent activity to sites like Something Awful. The fact that the site content is the star of the show, while the forum itself is more of a backstage element.

You want huge activity? You want good, huge activity? It's gonna take more work than new sections to bring it. People don't just want a message board anymore, they want content, and they want a message board so they can discuss that content. Those are the kinds of changes that need to be made.

My suggestion = The truly "adult", respectable approach to evolving the forum.

Porn Forum = The easy way out. It'll only dig us a deeper, messier hole.

[!King_Amazon!]

Once again, so this is clear, the Adult forum would not bring any activity, and is not INTENDED to bring any activity. It would be a private forum that nobody but approved members can even see, similar to the staff forum.

The only intentions of the adult forum were to have a place that people can post stuff that you normally can't post here, such as porn, or heavily adult discussions, etc. There are some things that are not appropriate for our younger members.

[Vollstrecker]

Once again, so this is clear, the Adult forum would not bring any activity, and is not INTENDED to bring any activity. It would be a private forum that nobody but approved members can even see, similar to the staff forum.

The only intentions of the adult forum were to have a place that people can post stuff that you normally can't post here, such as porn, or heavily adult discussions, etc. There are some things that are not appropriate for our younger members.

I see. Some members were talking about it like it was going to be a solution for activity problems, which was my issue with it. If it were a hidden, selective invitation forum then it doesn't matter to me one bit as long as it isn't advertised, those of us not interested can simply avoid it.

[!King_Amazon!]

Which is why I don't understand why anyone would be against it. It would be completely hidden and completely optional. If someone doesn't want to participate, they don't have to, they don't even have to know the forum exists.

[Vollstrecker]

Well, as I said, some of the members were using it as a "if this got implemented we'd bring in more activity" and stuff, rather than it being a place for existing members to post stuff.

I'd still be against the adult forum being advertised as being on the site, just because it really wouldn't bring the type of posters I think we're looking for, just to communicate my opinion clearly.

[Raziel]

Once again, so this is clear, the Adult forum would not bring any activity, and is not INTENDED to bring any activity. It would be a private forum that nobody but approved members can even see, similar to the staff forum.

You see, I missed this key element because I don't really pay attention to you. Be less gay, King.

[!King_Amazon!]

I figured it would have been more about how everyone else is misinformed as well.

[WetWired]

The Adult...err NSFW forum lives. Pester KA for access.

[!King_Amazon!]

I'm on like every 15 minutes all day so it shouldn't be much of a problem.

We are restricting it to 18+, though, right?

[Thanatos]

Be prepared for a bunch of hentai...

=\

[!King_Amazon!]

Avert your eyes if you don't like it. I had suggested to have subforums in the NSFW forum for stuff like that since not everyone wants to see it. I just don't think the forum is that mature yet, we can't even post hentai in there right now(unless there's non-porn hentai, which would just be anime, which would be dumb.)

[Thanatos]

^ One of the many reasons I will not be signing up for that shit. There's millions of porn sites on the Internet.. why bring it to Zelaron.

[!King_Amazon!]

Alright, nobody is forcing you to join it or view any hentai. Relax, it's ok.

[talentedhamster]

where the hell is this thread?

[!King_Amazon!]

What thread?

The NSFW FORUM is a forum, and it's hidden to anyone who isn't in the group, but you're not missing out on anything. It's a dead forum.

[Asamin]

If you got it running, what happens when the entire population of Zel just moves to that forum and doesn't come back because they are looking at porn and jerking off? I would have no one to talk to then.

[Atnas]

It doesn't take too long to jack off if it's some good shit you're looking at.

[Asamin]

Still. They would jerk off then leave the forum and come back an hour later and do it again. then repeat this process all day. They would get post after post just commenting on how beautifully shaven a girl is!

[!King_Amazon!]

If you got it running, what happens when the entire population of Zel just moves to that forum and doesn't come back because they are looking at porn and jerking off? I would have no one to talk to then.
It's already running. It has been running for months. It's completely dead. There are nothing but a bunch of homosexuals here at Zelaron, with the exception of maybe D3v, as he's really the only other one who ever posts anything.

[Asamin]

I would post stuff! but i am 15 so therefore underage! Or did I lie about my age here? If i did I give WW permission to change that.

[talentedhamster]

are you guys really that despritely(yes i know i spelled it wrong) in need of porn? jeez get a REAL girl

[Atnas]

Asamin? I don't think he's interested in real women. Neither am I. :)

Asamin, you're not going to get them to break the law of the United States, just turn google safesearch off.

[talentedhamster]

hahaha! your posts are 1234

[Kaneda]

It's already running. It has been running for months. It's completely dead. There are nothing but a bunch of homosexuals here at Zelaron, with the exception of maybe D3v, as he's really the only other one who ever posts anything.
Lol. I'm in a monogamous porn hating relationship. What?

[KagomJack]

I posted a review for the movie Salo :<

[Vault Dweller]

Honestly, I visit Zelaron for numerous reasons, but porn isn't one of them.

Porn and socializing just don't mix in my world.

[Asamin]

Asamin? I don't think he's interested in real women. Neither am I. :)

Asamin, you're not going to get them to break the law of the United States, just turn google safesearch off.
This is all to correct. I have no need for the possibility of getting so depressed that i lock myself in my room for hours and never come out cuz my girl left me.

I don't look at porn. i was just trying to make a point.


I would post there tho.

[Atnas]

Therefore looking at porn.

[Kaneda]

Therefore looking at porn.
Oh! What a wicked web we weave.