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Sum Yung Guy
2002-06-15, 05:50 PM
Constructing a Real Lightsabre
(Plasma Sword - employing arc wave energy)
http://sumyungguy.homestead.com/files/lightsabre.gif

What damage can this weapon do

Unlike the lightsabres in the starwars movies, the energy in this lightsabre is quite unable to cut through a 3 foot solid steel door. It however, will cut through and cautarise any type of organic material. Which is good enough for close quarters combat.

Who should have this weapon

Only a highly trained psychic or jedi knight should ever posess one of these weapons. They're not meant for an end all weapon. For example, you can't kill an enemy from 800 meters away with one of these things. It's only meant to be a weapon for use in closed quarters. Sure, anyone could turn it on and start harming innocent people with it, but that's a discussion of far greater scope than will be covered here. It's definately not something you want to turn on if your are near a high power electromagnet or anything with a greater magnetic stregnth than the plasma containment field.

How do i learn how to use it

There are several ways that you could learn how to use one of these. The first and most direct way to learn how to use one would be to become a Jedi Knight. Which can be done, but you will have to send an application to the JHC (Jedi High Councel). You can do this go to [ur]Http://JediReligion.com[/url]
Another way would be to take Kendo lessons, or any other type of martial arts system that teaches the useage of sword-type weapons.

Circuitry Description

Power Source

Although, this design uses a 18 volt powersource, there are almost endless configurations and battery types that could be used. For example, newer a Power cell composed of Li2So4 (Lithium Solfoxide)or H3O (hydrogen trioxide...also called hydrogen peroxide except that the kind that's used for medical purposes is 97% water) and and alumnium cell can create as much electricity as a Led Acid battery that is 5 times it's size (not to mention several times lighter).

Oscilator

The oscilator circuit is what drives the lightsabre. It's a circuit taken out of a book from radio shack. A DC-DC converter circuit that uses the 555 timer/oscilator chip. The circuit takes the input voltage (9 volts) and multiplies it by a certain ratio (determined by the ratio of Primary to Secondary windings in the Step-Up transformer. This high voltage is then put through a bank of 4 photoflash capasators (i use photoflash capasators because you can recycle disposable cameras with flash units in them to get them). The high voltage that has been feed into the capasators, now holds a enormous amount of current as well as voltage (so don't go puting your fingers where they shoudn't be when you energize the circuitry - bad things could happen...TO YOU!). This stored energy is fed into the electromagnets to create the containment field, and the arc wave for the blade.

Creating The Magnetic containment field

To create a magnetic containment field for the plasma, fasten 4 electromagnets around a metal ring. The point where the electromagnets contact the ring is where the magnetic force is transfered to the ring. A cylindrical magnetic field is then created. This by itself would be quite dangerious, if you were to inject plasma into since there is no mechanisim preventing the plasma from flowing backwards into the hilt. This is where the magnetic plate comes in. It is an electromagnet fastened to a ferious piece of metal just as the ring, except this does not form a cylindrical electromagnetic field, it forms a magnetic 'plug' of sorts. It forms a magnetic barier at one reigon of the containment field, preventing back flow of plasma. This plate also plays a very large roll in propigation of the plasma into the containment field.

Tesla Coil and Arc Wave Plasma

Using a Tesla Coil to produce an arc wave of plasma is the basis of designing lightsabre that operates with low power consumption. In order to create a rod-shaped blade (or the appearace of such) of plasma, one of electrodes must be shaped as a ring (outer electrode), and the other as a pin electrode (centered inside the outer electrode).
When the tesla coil is turned on energy will ark across the electrodes. This energy is shaped like a ring of plasma (because of the geometry of the electrodes). Since it is plasma, it of course has a certain polarity. Although the frequency of the tesla coil is quite high, you do not notice the plasma flicker on and off. A pulsating electromagnetic field can be used to push each cycle of generated plasma to the end of the blade. This is the second reason for the magnetic plate. Also, by varying the frequency of electricity in the electromagnetic plate, the length of the blade.

Cautions of Magnetic and Plasma Polarities

Strong caution should be used when turning on the sabre for the first time. If any polarity in either the tesla coil or electromagnets are inversed...the weapon will most likely destroy itself (due to the wrong polarities pushing plasma in the wrong direction). There is also a good chance that it could seriously injure anyone that is in the immediate area.

Diagrams

http://sumyungguy.homestead.com/files/lightsabre-diagramed.gif

http://sumyungguy.homestead.com/files/circuitry.gif

Parts List

Quantity Description
1 push on / push off switch
2 9v batteries
2 9v quick snaps
1 555 timer/oscilator
1 mineature tesla coil (from amazing1.com)
1 1/4" (outer diameter) metal -low resistance (read instructions)
1 >1/4" electrode - low resistance (read instructions)
1 3/16" x 2" metal (ferious) ring (read instructions)
1 3/16" X 2 metal plate
1 5"x7" Double Sided PC board
1 bottle PC board echant soluation
4 330 volt HV capasators (electrolytic)
1 .01 mf capasator
1 47k resistor
1 1k resistor
1 roll of hook-up wire
1 roll of magnet wire
1 step-up transformer (read instructions)
4 12" x 1/8" threaded rod (standoffs)
1 ~12" x 1.75- 2" length of Alumnium Pipe (1 end closed off)
35 1/8" bolts (inner thread)


All this infomation taken from
http://geocities.com/lasersword2001/Lightsabre/LightsabreConstruction.html

ask_rabber
2002-06-15, 05:56 PM
heh, thats pretty kewl. btw, your pics arent working (for me at least). i think im gonna make me a lightsabre and bring it to parties and such. thatd be sooo kewl, just be like 'i have a lightsabre' and ppl are like 'no no you dont' and then *lightsabre noise* chop chop!

Sum Yung Guy
2002-06-15, 05:56 PM
the pics are working now

Chruser
2002-06-15, 05:56 PM
I read that long ago, and yes, it should function, even though it doesn't exactly turn into a light sabre, but a cylinder shaped tesla coil.

By the way, you typed [/ur] in the end of your message.

Unregistered
2002-06-15, 06:00 PM
I'd like to see a working on, that does damage....

Medieval Bob
2002-06-15, 09:38 PM
Ya somebody put one of these together. Then um.. try it out? Maybe on a cow or... or.. a Penguin!!!! Post the pics here!

Randuin
2002-06-16, 08:09 AM
ya post a pic with it turning on

Silverjinx18
2002-06-16, 03:59 PM
on a penguin?

Sum Yung Guy
2002-06-16, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by Silverjinx18
on a penguin?
Woot hell yea I think we have another APC canidate!

Randuin
2002-06-16, 05:13 PM
lol ya i'm in :)

Randuin
2002-06-18, 12:15 AM
guys... anyone gonna actually try building one of these?

Medieval Bob
2002-06-18, 12:48 AM
Nah.. but its cool to look @ isn't it?

Sum Yung Guy
2002-06-18, 01:30 AM
i am...... soon

mightychicken
2002-06-18, 09:01 AM
this thread has a strange connection with the "are you still a virgin" thread :p

Randuin
2002-06-18, 09:32 AM
sum if u make one can you make a pic and post it? and if it works good i think i'll pay you like 50 bucks to make me one :)

Wiccan][V][asta
2002-06-18, 10:26 AM
MODEL SIX: virtual light produced from a spinning field surface.
The idea & physics behind, this model supplied by the incredible Mr Albert Forge.


According to astrophysicist Yakov Borisovich Zel'dovich, a rapidly spinning conductor will cause the creation of virtual particle radiation at its surface. Particle production is controlled by the charge, angular velocity (of rotation) and radius of this charged conductor.

If we imagine a rod shaped charged field of atomic-scale cross-section, which is superconducting and rotating at near-lightspeed, then charge regulation becomes the control for the particle emission type and quantity. Such charged fields would tend to repel one-another (if they are of like polarity), which means the blades would BLOCK one another.

NOTE: a sabre would have to be built carefully and tuned correctly! A badly adjusted sabre would subject its user (and everyone in range) with considerable amounts of gamma radiation!.

The glow of the sabre blade consists of virtual-photons energised by the rotating field into real photons ... virtual light make real! The opaque 'thumb-thick' blade shape may be a swirl of ionised atmospheric particles (the AIR) drawn in and swirling about the core. When you IONISE a gas, you actually have a PLASMA (as it is meant by terrestrial physics) ... and this would glow JUST LIKE A FLUORESCENT TUBE (which is ALSO a plasma!) ... BUT this thumb-thick plasma zone is merely a by-product ... the REAL cutting is performed by minuscule core of the true blade ... leaving almost microscopically thin cuts. (The blade would STILL glow fiercely in even in a vacuum, as it throws off 'virtual photons - made real' ... but the thumb-thick core may not be visible.)

Such a tight rapidly spinning charged superconducting field would rend (tear) through most matter by stripping off electrons which bind atoms together. The ionised matter about the 'cut', as well as field-excited atomic movement in the localized area of the 'cut', would mimic great point-of-contact heat. A wound to a soft-tissue organic being would appear to be a microscopically thin BURN - and such a wound would usually tend to be cauterised (depending on how slowly the blade passed through - a large blood vessel cut too quickly may not be sufficiently 'burned' to cauterise).

Dense metals which have loosely bound electrons (which are free to wander about their lattice structure) would be more resistant to cutting. The 'atom stripping' effect would take a little longer to cut through, because such materials have more electrons 'to spare' before their lattice structure becomes 'torn'. Metals are also more highly conductive, and the localized 'heat' effects are minimized because the heat is carried away and dispersed through the material more quickly.

This means that even though with varying amounts of effort, a lightsabre could cut through virtually anything, some materials would offer more resistance to a sabre blade, and therefore we can now understand how Lord Vader's armour was able to ward off most of Luke's glancing blow, saving his life.
http://www.synicon.com.au/sw/ls/l-armour.jpg


Lord Vader's life is spared despite this glancing blow to the shoulder by Luke Skywalker
because the dense metallic armour he wears is more resistant to the 'atom sheering' effect of a lightsabre blade. Luke just didn't hit HARD enough to get all the way through!

Mr Albert Forge has gone further, and has postulated a mechanism for the generation of the spinning field which creates the blade described above. Imagine a tiny sphere of unknown composition (perhaps some of the 'hypermatter' referred to in the SWICS & SWVD books by LFL's Dr Reynolds). Rapidly spin this into a disk by the effect of inducing fields (probably EM). The disk deformed and elongated into a tube, or rod (imagine the sleeve of a shirt being turned inside out) by an axially mounted and powerful electron gun (like the tube of your TV). Field extension/retraction would be controlled by altering the output of the electron gun (which incidentally also controlled the charge of the conducting field ... the spin rate is determined by the inducing EM fields that created the disk from the sphere in the first place).

'Focussing' in this case may then be the very-rapid application of 'tuning' precession forces upon the extended field in order to 'follow' the orientation of the hilt, as left to itself it would tend to gyroscopically resist orientation changes.

NOTE: Mr Forge would like to say that all the above, which having its roots in 'real' physics, is speculative, and must be taken with "several solar masses of sodium chloride" *grin* ... IMHO however, it is a VASTLY more consistent and believable model than any other. It just 'could' possibly work! *AND* it matches ALL the observed and ascribed conditions!]

ADVANTAGES OF MODEL SIX

it SPINS - matching my 'gyroscopic angular inertia' ideas (independently supported by the SWVD)

no 'plasma' or 'fuel' required other than raw power

the blade is PURE energy

the blade is opaque

there is a sensible 'focussing' (tuning) role for crystals which COULD see them able to adjust the colour!

the blades would block one another AND blaster bolts!

it hums

it glows, even in a vacuum!

the cuts are microscopically thin

it cuts by 'shearing away' the electrons in the substance, leaving a locally 'induced' heat-like reaction
in other words: .. leaving burns & cauterized wounds!

dense metallic surfaces with many stray electrons in their matrix would provide higher resistance to the 'electron stripping' cutting action ... thus Vader's armour stops the glancing blow from killing him!


All taken from http://www.synicon.com.au/sw/ls/sabres.htm btw Sum, your sources suck, too tiny.... :p check my site out, fucking huge!

Randuin
2002-06-19, 04:39 PM
but this thing doesn't tell you how to make one

Sum Yung Guy
2002-06-19, 05:44 PM
It tells how how it works. So basically you gotta make one designed to work that way yourself. Would be friggen awesome to own a REAL lightsabre that actually performs just like in star wars

Randuin
2002-06-19, 07:07 PM
ya... true ownage :)

Sum Yung Guy
2002-06-19, 07:27 PM
i would seriously go on a rampage and see how many people i can decapitate before the cops came and shot me





:edit: j/k

Sirpullido
2002-06-19, 07:40 PM
Slingshot RULEZZZ
http://168.143.84.237/guia2/ad/escenas/interactivas/escenas/tirachina.zip

Strider Fury
2002-06-22, 09:53 PM
i dont know... it most probably overheat

Randuin10
2002-07-03, 10:25 PM
hrm... still possible right?

{bbusername}SUX
2002-07-03, 10:30 PM
Who cares? We have assault rifels, be happy with todays technology. :D

Randuin10
2002-07-03, 10:31 PM
no! lightsabres are so much cooler :)

{bbusername}SUX
2002-07-03, 10:32 PM
Good point. If I had a lightsabre, for a death weapon I'd hide it in a dildo, so 10 seconds after the vibrator is turned on, the sabre pokes out thru the end, thus killing the girl. Good for fighting badguys (women). Evil.

Randuin10
2002-07-03, 10:33 PM
lol ya... the school decides to do a school play on star wars... u bring ur lightsabre and... OOPS :)

{bbusername}SUX
2002-07-03, 10:33 PM
Woohoo! I'd slice all those bitchy ass cooking class teachers heads. :)

Randuin10
2002-07-03, 10:35 PM
lol the teacher is darth vader :) SLICE WHACK BOOM :)

{bbusername}SUX
2002-07-03, 10:36 PM
Boom? Sabers don't go booom. Jesus... {bbusername} is soo stoopid!

Randuin10
2002-07-03, 10:37 PM
yes they do... if they hit something like a reactor :0

{bbusername}SUX
2002-07-03, 10:40 PM
Okay, if you insist. :)

Randuin10
2002-07-03, 10:42 PM
they do!

{bbusername}SUX
2002-07-03, 10:42 PM
Yeah, whatever {bbusername}

Randuin10
2002-07-03, 10:43 PM
lol autoname hack does rule :)

{bbusername}SUX
2002-07-03, 10:43 PM
That it does, that it does my friend. :)

Randuin10
2002-07-03, 10:43 PM
and stop using it :) i don't know if ur actually directing to me :0

{bbusername}SUX
2002-07-03, 10:44 PM
Okay, sorry... yeesh... don't get all offended Misses namehack...

Randuin10
2002-07-03, 10:45 PM
hey for your information i'm a guy :)

RoboticSilence
2002-07-03, 10:46 PM
FUCKING STOP FUCKING WITH THE FUCKING AUTONAMEHACK... err...

Randuin10
2002-07-03, 10:48 PM
how about... no :)

{bbusername}SUX
2002-07-03, 11:06 PM
RoboticSilence sucks. :D No autonamehack. :)

Randuin10
2002-07-03, 11:15 PM
ya he hates us because of it ;)

{bbusername}SUX
2002-07-03, 11:45 PM
Ahh who cares? :)

Randuin10
2002-07-03, 11:52 PM
ya we are the 1337 :)

Jamesadin
2002-07-06, 10:14 AM
sorry guys I cant make one, I dont happen to have a copasinator or whatever it is called.

Strider Fury
2002-07-06, 03:11 PM
Originally posted by Sirpullido
Slingshot RULEZZZ
http://168.143.84.237/guia2/ad/escenas/interactivas/escenas/tirachina.zip

http://rotter.net/israel/39.jpg

Randuin
2002-07-06, 08:20 PM
lol the masked slingshotter :)

!King_Amazon!
2002-09-01, 12:34 AM
Anyone made one yet? How much would it cost to make one?

Randuin
2002-09-01, 02:16 AM
not sure.. but you'd have to have a skilled metal worker to make the case... a skilled electronic guy to make the circuit board and make it work with the tesla coil... and a physics guy to work out the magnetic field and everything... pretty tough stuff

mightychicken
2002-09-01, 11:04 AM
^threads that go bump in the night^ :eek:

Strider Fury
2002-09-01, 11:34 AM
'Unlike the lightsabres in the starwars movies, the energy in this lightsabre is quite unable to cut through a 3 foot solid steel door. It however, will cut through and cautarise any type of organic material. Which is good enough for close quarters combat.'

http://www.ecmas.com/Reproduction%20Swords/1890.jpg

i think i'll stick with my samerai sword, probably because it does the exact same thing with a lot cheaper prize.

Sirpullido
2002-09-01, 11:36 AM
chainsaw all the way...who needs a lightsabre?

DRK_SORC
2002-09-01, 08:22 PM
i do... jeez it isnt bad....when its for free ;)

Hades-Knight
2002-09-02, 12:30 PM
you all r gay, just take a kitchen knife and do what you gotta do

DRK_SORC
2002-09-02, 07:34 PM
AGH...ok

Jamesadin
2002-09-08, 09:28 AM
Does anyone have some 330 volt HV capasators (electrolytic) handy? I seem to have lost mine.

!King_Amazon!
2002-09-08, 09:40 AM
:O)

I)ark_Phoenix
2002-09-08, 10:36 AM
... and i thought the sabre in star wars was all computer graphics...

DRK_SORC
2002-09-08, 11:21 AM
i thought so 2....

Jamesadin
2002-09-08, 11:54 AM
WRONG! ALL WRONG!

Adrenachrome
2002-09-10, 04:16 AM
you can buy a fully automatic ak47 in Columbia for like $8

Sum Yung Guy
2002-09-10, 04:29 AM
or you can join the military and have all kinds of weapons issued to you and free training in how to kill with them also

Sirpullido
2002-09-10, 06:46 AM
u need to get trained on how to kill with an AK 47???????what about this...pull the trigger

Medieval Bob
2005-01-13, 03:39 PM
Did anyone ever try to make one of these?

Demosthenes
2005-01-13, 03:59 PM
THREAD DIGGER! Jk.

But oh my god, I have to try this!

Sum Yung Guy
2005-01-13, 04:18 PM
I tried.... lost my left testy.... so sad.
edit: jeeze this thread was made in 2002...

Penny_Bags
2005-01-13, 04:38 PM
Woa fo serious? Your testy?

Hades-Knight
2005-01-13, 04:52 PM
wtf this thread didnt expire?

Sum Yung Guy
2005-01-13, 05:04 PM
wtf this thread didnt expire?
this thread is elite status o stealer of avatars.... you got my ORIGINAL AVATAR!!!!!!! ARRRRRG

Demosthenes
2005-01-13, 05:05 PM
wtf this thread didnt expire?

Bob's a mod. Mod's can resurrect old threads.

Sovereign
2005-01-14, 01:52 AM
Whee for old threads!

!King_Amazon!
2005-01-14, 02:39 AM
Fuck you.

Sovereign
2005-01-14, 05:21 AM
FUck you too, chachi.

Hades-Knight
2005-01-14, 07:15 AM
Chil there, fatty.

Sovereign
2005-01-14, 08:08 AM
Aight, homo thug.

MightyJoe
2005-01-14, 01:56 PM
You should all feel shame for wrecking such a good thread.

Randuin
2005-01-14, 04:45 PM
How the fuck did this thread revive?

Sum Yung Guy
2005-01-14, 05:16 PM
In Vas Mani or something similar...