origin of life

[sciencekid]

An article from the discover magazine says that viruses may have created the first lifeform. now this is a controversial subject for all you science lovers and religious ppl. but I think that God used the virus to create the first man and woman; adam and eve. i also think that adam and eve had a lot more chromosomes than we so now. that is why they were able to spawn the entire human race. so here, discuss! btw the pdf i created for you guys containing the article is 8 to 9 mb big, so I can't attach it here. if anyone can host it, i would appreciate it. in the meantime, request it here and I can email it to you.

[!King_Amazon!]

"God used the virus to create the first man and woman" LOL?

I believe in a supreme being, I believe in science, I believe in facts. I don't believe in Adam and Eve.

[sciencekid]

ah well, then how do you think that the human race started? do you want to see the article too?

[sue_13]

Why would they have to have more chromosomes than a normal human being and how would their offspring not have the same amount since it would be written in their sex cells' DNA?

[Jamesadin]

"God used the virus to create the first man and woman" LOL?

I believe in a supreme being, I believe in science, I believe in facts. I don't believe in Adam and Eve.


Agreed. I believe in God, but I also believe in Science.

[sciencekid]

see, because of meiosis(sp check) the dna splits in half. so if the dna splitting was different in those days, where the dna would split but end up with half the dna when the process ends, then the dna would slowly reduce in size in each human to the point where it is today and spread te different dna to their offspring, but then certain humans would go even further in their splitting of dna and become faulty and die off. that way only the humans with workable dna live which is why we have the amount of dna and the process to divide them as it is today.

[!King_Amazon!]

ah well, then how do you think that the human race started? do you want to see the article too?

I've explained it before, let me find the thread.

[!King_Amazon!]

"Well I believe that an unknown supreme being started the big bang. As to where the supreme being came from I can't explain, nobody can.

The micro organisms were formed by the methane ammonium and water vapor that were on earth, which have the right ingredients for life(some guy actually did an expirement and created organisms with these three things.)

The micro organisms respired, putting o2 out, which was broken down into o1s by UV rays. The o1s grabbed onto either other o1s(creating o2s or oxygen) or onto o2s(creating o3 or ozone) which formed the ozone layer, allowing the organisms to be protected from the rays, over time minor mutations (very minor things, like DNA stuff switching around) created separate species."

[sciencekid]

did you get it from an article? if so where is it? i would like to check it out, if i may. also, just do me a favor and check out the article i have. i can send it to you. then well, see what you think of it.

[sue_13]

If I'm not mistaken, if a person only ended up with half the DNA of a normal human then they would be seriously fucked up, like lacking essential parts of their body. If certain DNA code is missing, then a person could be born without any one of their vital organs. You can't just NOT have certain DNA, especially half of the DNA as you are proposing.

[Xenn]

Nobody believes in Adam and Eve, not even the pope. It's supposed to be symbolic.

[!King_Amazon!]

did you get it from an article? if so where is it? i would like to check it out, if i may. also, just do me a favor and check out the article i have. i can send it to you. then well, see what you think of it.
No I didn't, I used my brain and learned this stuff from other intelligent people.

[sciencekid]

*sigh* aparently Xenn and sue_13 is reading the posts properly. ok, so:

sue_13:
If I'm not mistaken, if a person only ended up with half the DNA of a normal human then they would be seriously fucked up, like lacking essential parts of their body. If certain DNA code is missing, then a person could be born without any one of their vital organs. You can't just NOT have certain DNA, especially half of the DNA as you are proposing.

if you read what I wrote on the first post of the entire thread you would notice that I said among other things:
i also think that adam and eve had a lot more chromosomes than we so now. that is why they were able to spawn the entire human race.

so now add this: what if the extra chromosomes were dormant and were passed on similiarily to how a arthritis gene can be passed on through someone else onto their children without harming the carrier. also consider what i said before:

see, because of meiosis(sp check) the dna splits in half. so if the dna splitting was different in those days, where the dna would split but end up with half the dna when the process ends, then the dna would slowly reduce in size in each human to the point where it is today and spread te different dna to their offspring, but then certain humans would go even further in their splitting of dna and become faulty and die off. that way only the humans with workable dna live which is why we have the amount of dna and the process to divide them as it is today.

does that answer your question? see, the ones with half their genes would die off ok, and the rest would live? I already said that.
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Xenn:
Nobody believes in Adam and Eve, not even the pope. It's supposed to be symbolic.

well gee genius, i seem to believe in adam and eve, so you can't say "no one" anymore. sides, i know at least a whole church who more or less believes in adam and eve. so there.

[!King_Amazon!]

If you're going to be a Christian at least be an educated one, Adam and Eve are meant to be symbolic, like most of the old testament of the bible, and I always find it funny when people take it word for word like you do. There's some crazy shit that happens in the old testament, if you believe that it actually happened then you're nuts.

[Grav]

It's so ironic that his name is "sciencekid" too. "Christian Scientist" is an oxymoron.

[gruesomeBODY]

Like everyone said, adam and eve are symbolic, but it doesn't mean that one cannot believe in it. I believe that they existed but that doesnt make me any different from anybody that doesnt. I would like to read that article.

[Lenny]

No it isn't.

You could have a Geologist who's a Christian. A Christian versed in the science of Geology.

[sciencekid]

that's probably the only thing i almost take word for word. like for example, the "seven days" concept is symbolic and i don't take that word for word. also, it's all about opinion. it could mean anything, but the views differ between each person. so educated or not, it will differ. and grav? i can be a scientist and a christian as well. see i try to prove the bible through science. so "christian scientist" isn't an oxymoron.

sure gruesome body, I'll see if i can get you the article. it's pretty big and i only have dial up, but once i save it as a draft i can send it without any trouble. so i'll attach it now and see how far I get, ok? if i can't get it to you in a few moments I'll have to do it overnight.

[gruesomeBODY]

alright cool

[Lenny]

If you e-mail it to me I can upload it to my host and put the link in here.

I for one would like to read it.

[sciencekid]

that might be better, lenny. i'll do that too

[sciencekid]

sending pdf...... now

[Lenny]

Right, I've got it.

I've made it into 9 separate [full-size] jpegs and I'm about to upload them to my host. Gimme a bit.

EDIT: Right, my host hates files bigger than 1mb. So I've put them on my Putfile account instead.

http://www.putfile.com/lenny1882

All 9 in there somewhere. Just click to make them bigger.

I'll read it after Top Gear.

[Willkillforfood]

All this talk of extra chromosomes makes me think of down syndrome x_X.

[Lenny]

Except with Downs there's only the one extra chromosome.

Just imagine everything that could go wrong if you had only 26 extra chromosomes, let along the full package.

Then again, you never know, if you had the full package twice it could help to combat certain diseases. If any of the chromosomes are faulty then the second set of 42 (acting as a backup) can be used to replace it. The same way that if one of the X chromosomes in a female is faulty the other is used as a backup instead. It's just bad luck if both are faulty.