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[Medieval Bob]

I played teh D&D last night! Exciting! Discuss.

[Grav]

How would we discuss? You're the one that did it!

[Titusfied]

I don't get it.. :confused:

[Jessifer]

Mmm. I've never played D&D. Willing to try, though. It does sound rather interesting.

[Penny_Bags]

Only if you like other peoples body odor.

[Jessifer]

There would be a shower rule in my group. Everyone must shower at LEAST every other day.

[Jamesadin]

D&D can be fun, if your with your friends, and if you have a good dungeon master. I can turn out really poorly if the Dungeon master is terrible though.

[gruesomeBODY]

never played but am willing to hear what it is about.

[Acer]

I've played for like 9years now... good shit, I don't play steadily, just once and awhile.

[Mantralord]

wut is teh dnd?? v:weird:v

[Thanatos]

Haven't played once.

/Discussed

[sciencekid]

D&D stands for dungeons and dragons. any further than that, i have no idea

[Medieval Bob]

I took two candlesticks from the barkeep. He was scared of me because I are good at intimidating. I have big sword.

[Lenny]

It sounds fun.

We ought to get a Zelaron game going...if possible.

[DaFrigginDoctah]

wut is teh dnd?? v:weird:v
DID I HEAR "DFD"!?!?!?!?!?!?

*Ta-Da!!!!*

[Lenny]

HE said DND.

All the same, Howdy!

[Medieval Bob]

I wish DFD was a game. I'd play that shit all night long.

[Jamesadin]

Neverwinter Nights was designed to be similar to D&D. It gets boring fast, though.

[Acer]

Single Player of NWN gets boring fast but some of the modules online are badass... Aventia was my favorite of them

[Medieval Bob]

NWN is D&D.

[Acer]

D&D can never been put onto a computer or screen, i will never accept this to be true

and about the D&D Movie, wtf... who takes something like D&D and puts a wayne brother in it and makes it comical... it blew dick

[DaFrigginDoctah]

I wish DFD was a game. I'd play that shit all night long.
... Wow.

[Medieval Bob]

Don't act like you're surprised.

[DaFrigginDoctah]

Don't act like you're surprised.
Yeah, I guess I knew all along... ;)

[Medieval Bob]

So... now that we're out in the open... where do we go from here?

[Thanatos]

A motel possibly?

[Lenny]

What a motel? Why not do it in style a book a hotel room? The beds are better for one.

[Jessifer]

Don't forget the video camera...and mail me the tape! I could make some money offa that shit.

...Ahem. Not in the literal sense.

...Or is it?

[Grav]

Did I hear "chunneling?!"

[Jessifer]

Not the word itself, no. Just the mental image from your own perverse mind.

You sicken me...yet amuse me at the same time.

[Jamesadin]

Which one is you, Bob?

[Medieval Bob]

I'm that badass with the beard.

[DaFrigginDoctah]

We all know Bob loves his beard.

We know also, that my hair rules Bob's beard.

[pr0xy]

D&D can never been put onto a computer or screen, i will never accept this to be true

and about the D&D Movie, wtf... who takes something like D&D and puts a wayne brother in it and makes it comical... it blew dick

You've obviously never heard of D&D Online...

[Medieval Bob]

You've obiously not heard that it's got a lot of key differences from pen and paper D&D.

[Acer]

oh i have, my point is... i dont consider them D&D, just imitations, D&D is pen and paper, that is what it is... the core

[Lenny]

What if someone created a chat room version type thing with an interactive board, and a little pen and paper type application notepad thingy.

Explain to someone who doesn't know how D&D works, how D&D works?

[Jamesadin]

You don't need a board for D & D. Lots of people just make their own maps with pen and paper, due to what the Dungeon master tells them, or they just imagine the surroundings, which could be alot more fun, but difficult.

[Acer]

i say 90% of D&D is the interaction of words with friends... the laughter and being able to have real conversations... video games have NPC with pre-determined conversations, and you must select what you say. Here you can just say what ever you want, how ever you want. When you go to attack, its all based on dice, your chance to hit which can be put on computer. The main thing that makes D&D pen&paper so much better than video games is its not limited to the programming... its what you make it. I mean, one campaign i was DMing my friends and they were going around buying hookers, and starting fights in bars... nothing to do with the campaign but it just made us laugh.... you cant do that in a video game unless the game already programmed it in there.

[Lenny]

SO basically, what you need is a chat room with a whiteboard feature separate for each person, a dice machine, a notebook (can also be on the computer) and a chat area where the Dungeon Master tells you what to do and you talk to people?

[Medieval Bob]

If you also had voice chat, it would be workable. Still, why not just do it in person?

[Jessifer]

Because none of my friends IRL are as nerdy as the people I've met online. None of them even grasp the basic concept of D&D. The few who did no longer even live in town.

[Acer]

voice chat would have to be a must

this is what is needed for me at a D&D session... 1MDew amp for each person. Pop Tarts and MDew/Pepsi... chips, and all that dice and books shit too i guesss haha

[sciencekid]

maybe someone will create a program for that type of stuff where the program could create it's own variables and edit it's own programming, making it a real AI module. it would be pretty easy in a respect because if you put the program in a never ending loop(except when the user quits the game) and somehow cause the program to accept input from a random number machine and from some other program that is similiar to but more advanced than the grammer checker on microsoft word, then it would be a real AI module. that way the D&D experience will be different and adaptable each time, but with a comp instead of a real person(in case no one wants to play when you want to)

[Medieval Bob]

Won't work. Know why?

"I do not comprehend."

[Acer]

one thing... a machine will always be limited to what its programmed... always a limit

[pr0xy]

You've obiously not heard that it's got a lot of key differences from pen and paper D&D.

I'm aware of that. But it has the D&D name =/ Which was my point. While NWN didnt have the D&D name however it used the same ruleset (Which is acutally being used by alot of RPGS at the moment). But D&D Online actually uses the name =o

[sciencekid]

as long as the person doesn't ask dumb questions it would do fine......... or maybe a two part(or more) module that switches between the programs within so that the programs can be edited and restarted so that the edited stuff will come into effect. of course add that to the other stuff i said.

[Medieval Bob]

The point isn't to ask dumb questions. It's to allow complete freedom. If you can think of a clever, creative way to defeat a particularly strong enemy, then you're allowed to do so. Usually, you're even rewarded specially for doing it. Now, for a player to be able to do that on a pre-programmed game, the programmers would have to have thought of every possible creative solution in existence (not even remotely possible).

[sciencekid]

The point isn't to ask dumb questions. It's to allow complete freedom. If you can think of a clever, creative way to defeat a particularly strong enemy, then you're allowed to do so. Usually, you're even rewarded specially for doing it. Now, for a player to be able to do that on a pre-programmed game, the programmers would have to have thought of every possible creative solution in existence (not even remotely possible).

- first off i was being sarcastic when i said the part about the dumb questions.
- second the whole point of AI is that the comp can think for itself. it will be like talking to/with another person.
- third if a computer can think for itself then there is no need for the programmer to program in every creative solution in the possible world.
- fourth you can't prove that something can't be ever done(unless you're extremely specific). they thought that a person couldn't jump several feet off the ground, but on the moon, it can be done. but they didn't know that back then, did they?
- fifth and lastly, if you live in a world where not everything is possible, then it never will be and you will be living in the past no matter what you say.

[Medieval Bob]

The computer AI would have to be extremely advanced. As long as it can deal with modern language, misspelling, voice interpretation, slang, l337 speak, nerd talk, completely stupid things, completely rational things, things that fall in between the two, and can discern the difference in actions that you can do, actions that you can try to do in certain circumstances, and actions that nobody would ever be allowed to do on the fly, then yes, it might work.

-And-

If I live in a world where some things are impossible, then I'll be living in the past?
What the fuck are you takling about?

[sciencekid]

almost all things come in the form of steps. most of the time things don't just happen out of nothing (although some do), things have to be gradually worked into existence. that's what im trying to do; work things up gradually.

-And-

think about it for a second. the main reason why new things are invented, are because ppl did things that others thought was impossible. the past is characterized by the technology of that era. therefore, in a sense, those ppl who thought that certain things are impossible, and now are possible, are left behind in the past.

[pr0xy]

almost all things come in the form of steps. most of the time things don't just happen out of nothing (although some do), things have to be gradually worked into existence. that's what im trying to do; work things up gradually.

-And-

think about it for a second. the main reason why new things are invented, are because ppl did things that others thought was impossible. the past is characterized by the technology of that era. therefore, in a sense, those ppl who thought that certain things are impossible, and now are possible, are left behind in the past.

Uhhh if the past is characterized by the technology of that era... Then we are living in the past. I mean... Cars are a thing of the past. Hey so are pens and pencils! Computers are also. w00t its the 80s.

[Medieval Bob]

Okay just to reply to your previous statement, now that I know wtf you're talking about, you're wrong. If you're saying that I'm living in the past because I say that a programmer can't come up with every possible event, then you're completely delusional.

[sciencekid]

pr0xy: there are new types of cars aren't there? and i'm not saying that the era is defined by every single invention existing in that era, otherwise you'd be right. what i meant by that was the newest types of technology. for example the invention of the cotten gin, or the light bulb. even the atomic bomb. things that change how things are done here in the world, for one. significant things.

Medieval Bob: close but still no cigar. you're making a connection between two things that are similar but not quite getting what I meant. now i might not be explaining my views very well, or maybe i was using the wrong words, but here goes: if you look in the past the ppl who don't think that certain things are possible and then it's suddenly possible, get proven wrong, and are left in the history books as the ppl with no faith or whatever. basicly they are left behind in the past..... understand now?

[Medieval Bob]

I understand fine, but my point was and is that my statement of impossibility stands. If your objection was to something other than what you implied, then you need to be more specific when you tell someone they're wrong. Otherwise, it doesn't matter how well explained your point is. You're not disputing what we're actually talking about.

[sciencekid]

all right you want it specific, eh? ok ill give it to you plain and to the point:

you shouldn't be so quick to doubt things like that, you should be quick to perfect an idea instead of shooting it down with your negative "realism". there is a fine line between shooting down an idea with destructive criticism and using the same criticism to shape and fix an idea with constructive criticism so that it is true and real ok? that is my point. not my only point mind you, but it is one of my main points.

[pr0xy]

I think your point is impossible to understand. :grin:

Basicly... Possibility rests in time. Things that are impossible now, given time and new technologies, become possible. Possibility rests in time and the technology and knowledge one gains over time to make things possible.

[Medieval Bob]

I still don't see how you're not getting this. I can't perfect or refine the point of programmers compensating for variety. They can get better at it. We might be able to create AI that will do it someday, but programmers will never be able to be that comprehensive. Never. Never ever. There's no positive constructive criticism to give it. It will never happen.

[pr0xy]

I still don't see how you're not getting this. I can't perfect or refine the point of programmers compensating for variety. They can get better at it. We might be able to create AI that will do it someday, but programmers will never be able to be that comprehensive. Never. Never ever. There's no positive constructive criticism to give it. It will never happen.

A good example of this would be the GMs on OSI =p

[Acer]

unless we know how to make a computer using a real brain... then who knows, only way i can saw that real AI will be made... but even our brains are limited, tho that limit is growing too

[sciencekid]

alright. you know what? whatever, think what you want, im through arguing w/ you unless you have something else to say. in this particular moment i am in pain and im about to see the doctor, so i have no time for this, whatever. ill find someone else who i can constructively argue the point out w/ later. maybe lenny or something.

[Medieval Bob]

I don't see what makes you think you're arguing at all. All you keep saying is that I won't listen to your argument and make constructive criticism.

[sciencekid]

I don't see what makes you think you're arguing at all. All you keep saying is that I won't listen to your argument and make constructive criticism.

you summarize things very badly. i didn't say that you won't listen to my argument. i just said that there might be a miscommunication between us. and as for the constructive criticism, i only mentioned it twice out of the seven times i posted(not including this time). so please stop thinking that you know and understand everything and keep an open mind ok? also we are/were arguing:

Definition:
argue = To put forth reasons for or against; debate: “It is time to stop arguing tax-rate reductions and to enact them” (Paul Craig Roberts).

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=argue

Proof:
- first off i was being sarcastic when i said the part about the dumb questions.
- second the whole point of AI is that the comp can think for itself. it will be like talking to/with another person.
- third if a computer can think for itself then there is no need for the programmer to program in every creative solution in the possible world.
- fourth you can't prove that something can't be ever done(unless you're extremely specific). they thought that a person couldn't jump several feet off the ground, but on the moon, it can be done. but they didn't know that back then, did they?
- fifth and lastly, if you live in a world where not everything is possible, then it never will be and you will be living in the past no matter what you say.


The computer AI would have to be extremely advanced. As long as it can deal with modern language, misspelling, voice interpretation, slang, l337 speak, nerd talk, completely stupid things, completely rational things, things that fall in between the two, and can discern the difference in actions that you can do, actions that you can try to do in certain circumstances, and actions that nobody would ever be allowed to do on the fly, then yes, it might work.

That's what i call arguing.