Pulling out of Iraq

[Demosthenes]

With all the debate in congress over this issue, I was wondering if you guys think it is a good idea to pull out of Iraq at this point?

Also, what do you think about the following statement:

The Bush administration has threatened to veto any bill that includes language about the treatment of detainees

[Grav]

I'm undecided. But as for pulling out of your mom, I voted not quite yet.

[Demosthenes]

I'm undecided. But as for pulling out of your mom, I voted not quite yet.

Ohh, snap, niqqas got jokes.

[Adrenachrome]

Voted yes, been wishing for it for years now.

[gruesomeBODY]

i say not yet. The reason behind this is that we have to start a working government that will change the country forever. Plus, if we can set up a woring government in that area (that can be our allies) then we know they wont harbor people like Bin Ladin. So i say, stay til it makes a difference.

[Lenny]

Leave right now.

Enough damage has been done, why stay and do more? And if they wanted help then someone would stop those bloody insurgents.

They've got their own government. Let them work it out for themselves. Iraq should never have been invaded in the first place.

[Acer]

i was suppose to be a pullout...oh well :( lol jk

we're already there and shit, lets stay and see how much more nothing we'll achieve. nah but seriously, i say stay at this point

[Demosthenes]

Plus, if we can set up a woring government in that area (that can be our allies) then we know they wont harbor people like Bin Ladin.

I wouldn't say that is necessarily the case, unless we make them a puppet government and take sovereignty away from the Iraqi people.

[Penny_Bags]

I voted no, because pulling out is for virgins.

[Penny_Bags]

Leave right now.

Enough damage has been done, why stay and do more? And if they wanted help then someone would stop those bloody insurgents.

They've got their own government. Let them work it out for themselves. Iraq should never have been invaded in the first place.
Yeah, it is a pretty big "WTF just happened?" If you pull yourself back and look at it from the outside for a few seconds. Honestly.

[gruesomeBODY]

I wouldn't say that is necessarily the case, unless we make them a puppet government and take sovereignty away from the Iraqi people.

Thats is def our plan. Bush wants to be able to contorl this country for position puposes and oil purposes

[Dar_Win]

That is totally false. We get no special oil from Iraq, or the money. All the money goes to the Iraqi government.

[Medieval Bob]

I haven't figured out yet why we didn't just blow up the whole fucking country a couple of years ago. It's like... we started to, but then we changed our minds.

I say we either just bomb 'em off the face of the planet or send in Chuck.

[KagomJack]

Leave right now.

Enough damage has been done, why stay and do more? And if they wanted help then someone would stop those bloody insurgents.

They've got their own government. Let them work it out for themselves. Iraq should never have been invaded in the first place.
That's how I felt. I've been against the war since it started.

[Jamesadin]

No, don't pull out. Don't fuck up a country just to leave it burning. Send in a couple hundred thousand more troops, fix the situation (to the best of your abilities, some things can never be fixed),then get the hell out.

[sue_13]

I say pullout so we can have S2 AM and SYG back.

[Sum Yung Guy]

I say pullout so we can have S2 AM and SYG back.

I voted pullout too, because this place is a fucking wasteland and sucks ass.

[Dar_Win]

SYG!! Welcome back, man. Sorry to hear you're not likeing it out there. Hope it gets better.

[Penny_Bags]

Wow, SYG's life is Jarhead in a nutshell.


I never saw the movie but from what I understand the guys are real amped up about the army and their country and then they actually get a taste of the fighting and all of a sudden it's "ugh.".

[D3V]

Should've never went in, asap.

[Dar_Win]

Why don't presidents fight the war?
Why do they always send the poor?
Why don't presidents fight the war?
Why do they always send the poor?

1. The president is to old to fight in the war, I believe the cut off age is 35.
2. They don't send the poor, you sign up to go over and fight. They only send you if you wish to be sent. And anyway, might as well make a use for them if they arn't going to work hard, or go to school.


And yes I know it's from a song.

[D3V]

There is never a cut off age for being sent to war, my dad's HS friend got sent off, he's 41.

They recruit in urban schools around the nation, that's sending the poor.

[Dar_Win]

Definitions of recruit on the Web:

* enroll: register formally as a participant or member; "The party recruited many new members"
* a recently enlisted soldier
* seek to employ; "The lab director recruited an able crew of assistants"
* any new member or supporter (as in the armed forces)
* cause to assemble or enlist in the military; "raise an army"; "recruit new soldiers"


They go to lots of schools. I go to a rich school and they came. And like above, in this post, and in my other post, you must SIGN UP, you're making it sound like they're only recruiting the poor.

[Lenny]

Most of our Royal Family has been, or is in the Armed Forces. Yet you don't see Prince William or Prince Harry in Iraq giving the Insurgents the old one two now do you?

And you wouldn't want your Presidents fighting your wars. You'd be absolutely stuffed! It doesn't matter how strong your Army is, with Bush leading it into battle...well, speaks for itself really dunnit?

[Dar_Win]

I'm pretty sure thats why we have generals.... to lead them into battle.

[Sum Yung Guy]

Generals dont lead anyone into battle, its the Captains and Lt. Col.'s that do. Generals just stay back in the safety of the base and plan stuff all day.

edit and by the way my Captain is only 28. And our Lt Col is I think 40 - 45ish

[Curian]

Yeah generals are not what they used to be and besides I for once agree with the Brit on this. I mean fuck I'm the dumbest piece of shit to walk this earth in 5000 years but god damn I think i just might be smarter than Bush and the only thing I'm good at is fighting hence I'm in the army

BTW next time you see someone signing up to join tell them not to cause I hate these new recruits they are dumbasses one guy took his fucking helmet off and started watching a kid play with it and guess what? HIS FUCKING BRAINS GOT BLOWN OUT.

And I vote no because I like fighting.

[D3V]

I think that was on Starship Troopers

[Curian]

No he was from Tangent, Oregon and he took his helmet off and put it on a kid then got shot in the head... a sad case yes? This is why I think we should only let certain people in. Because half of these kids think it's all glory then when they get out here they all hesitate and die.

BTW yes i think there was a part where a guy took off his helmet in the middle of a combat exercise and got killed.

[Willkillforfood]

For better or worse our version of "democracy" is as easy to catch as the common cold. This situation would be "better" I believe, that is if there are enough qualified people to hold together a stable government.

Options "Not quite yet" and "get out of there asap" are pretty much the same thing. It's not an option to leave before the job's done or that will decline our status with other nations even more (yes, that is possible.) It's already a terrorist factory ...why not let an extremist organization take hold and exterminate the level-headed individuals that are left, right? Wrong.

If we are successful this will get democracy right next door to those people that are still in dictatorships or monarchies. That'll really be making those rich oil sheiks sweat ;). How're they going to secretly fund terrorist groups to kill innocent arabic people at mosques?

Think of it ...get the idea of democracy into these people and as passionate as some of them are (i.e., extremists :P) they'll be "liberating" other nations around them in no time ;).

[Willkillforfood]

We've seen what happens when politicians run wars. World War 2. What would happen if the generals had gotten to do everything they wanted? Well, I for one hope my ancestors would have bought VW stock if that would have happened ;).

[Lenny]

WWII is a bad example.

Hitler was doing pretty well for himself (and managed to get the army doing amazing things) until people began intervening. France just laid down for them, as did Poland, and Austria, and Czech Republic...but then again, much of that was due to the Blitzkrieg tactics.

Russia managed to beat the Germans with their weather. And all the Allies brought an end to the Tyrany.

Most of the war was fought by politicians doing things, and it all turned out right in the end.

I'd say a good example would be the Vietnam war, with Nixon (was it?). But then again I'm no great for American history.

[Willkillforfood]

WWII is a bad example.

Hitler was doing pretty well for himself (and managed to get the army doing amazing things) until people began intervening. France just laid down for them, as did Poland, and Austria, and Czech Republic...but then again, much of that was due to the Blitzkrieg tactics.

Russia managed to beat the Germans with their weather. And all the Allies brought an end to the Tyrany.

Most of the war was fought by politicians doing things, and it all turned out right in the end.

I'd say a good example would be the Vietnam war, with Nixon (was it?). But then again I'm no great for American history.

Too late for me to confirm this but I believe Hitler did a good job at rearming Germany/rallying his people ...but Rommel and others were the real reason behind some of the better military victories. I know Hitler fought in WW1 but I don't think he achieved any great rank and got any valuable experience? Not sure.

[Lenny]

In WWI he was just a footsoldier. Used to run about the trenches giving out messages.

When WWII came round he wanted more trenches because he loved it! And he did an amazing job at re-arming Germany, but he did have help. I don't know if you've heard of a German company called Krupp Works, but they supplied Hitler with all his weapons from the 1930s until the end of the war.

Krupp Works, and Faber were two of the biggest businesses in Germany, and they poured millions of Marks into the Nazi party. As did other companies. Henry Ford did too! :eek:

But, yeah, Hitler headed the whole thing. He did have his people doing all the dirty work, but he headed the whole 'operation' - he told everyone what to do, and the people below him interpretted the orders and carried them out in their own ways.

[Willkillforfood]

The nazi party was built ford tough.

[Curian]

Anyone who thinks that his generals agreed with him is such a fool actually many of his SS and close friends tried to get him killed because his tactics sucked and his generals thought having those millions of jews around might actually help the war effort either as businessmen or even more soldiers. As a leader of economy Hitler was great but when it came to war he sucked goat nuts and you would never believe what nation put a protection program on him either, because they knew he was making mistakes.

[Dar_Win]

but when it came to war he sucked goat nuts

Ha! Though I hate Hitler, and would spit on his rotted bones if I could, I must disagree with you there. He was infact seen by many as a genius at war. Though he was a crazy raving lunatic, that might be what helped him, because he was so aggressive. They say his downfall was that he might have had Parkinson's Disease. But, back on topic of this thread, I heard we might start bringing people home in '06.

[Willkillforfood]

Well, my information sources must be flawed then because I had seen him as a burden to the german war machine opening up TWO war fronts against major powers and other things that were generally a BAD idea. Also involving U.S. in the conflict (even though that was Japan) was a bad move ...I'm sure they could have told Japan to hold off :P.

[Lenny]

That wouldn't have got them anywhere. The Japs would have gone for you guys whatever, they hated you!

Two war fronts was a bad idea, especially in Winter in Russia.

Then again during WWI they fought on two war fronts, once again against the Allies and the Ruskies, and they absolutely pasted the Ruskies before turning back to the Stalemate.

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It'd be really nice to think that they're bringing the troops home in '06...but how many times have our Governments said they'd be bringing out the troops? How long have they been in now? 2, 3 years?

[Dar_Win]

They got slaughtered during the Winter in Russia. They wearn't used to the harsh, cold conditions, and they wearn't properly equipped.

[Curian]

That wouldn't have got them anywhere. The Japs would have gone for you guys whatever, they hated you!

Two war fronts was a bad idea, especially in Winter in Russia.

Then again during WWI they fought on two war fronts, once again against the Allies and the Ruskies, and they absolutely pasted the Ruskies before turning back to the Stalemate.

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It'd be really nice to think that they're bringing the troops home in '06...but how many times have our Governments said they'd be bringing out the troops? How long have they been in now? 2, 3 years?
Seriously I thought they said the same thing back in '04 or '05?

And Hitler told them to attack the U.S because he knew the british propaganda was working and that we wanted to go to war so he thought a preemptive strike against America would avert an American invasion, but boy was he wrong.

[Lenny]

They tried stealing the boots of the Ruskies they killed. Had to boil them.

The Ruskies had the tactics for the winter - full-length white fur coats. Skis.

And the germans were in black or dark green with bad boots, and no extra pairs of socks.

Let that be a lesson to you all! If you're going to invade Russia, take extra pairs of socks...

And on that bombshell...!

[Curian]

They tried stealing the boots of the Ruskies they killed. Had to boil them.

The Ruskies had the tactics for the winter - full-length white fur coats. Skis.

And the germans were in black or dark green with bad boots, and no extra pairs of socks.

Let that be a lesson to you all! If you're going to invade Russia, take extra pairs of socks...

And on that bombshell...!
You forgot to say "and take good boots too".

[Lenny]

If you've got enough pairs of sturdy socks on then you could go out there in sandals.

Socks are everything. Boots are just superfluous necessities. :)

[Willkillforfood]

If you've got enough pairs of sturdy socks on then you could go out there in sandals.

Socks are everything. Boots are just superfluous necessities. :)

Care to test your hypothesis for us? :P

[Lenny]

But I don't have enough socks. Them damn gnomes keep on stealing them!

I could try lots of Santa hats? :)

Is there any more news from the paradise that is Iraq? And how's Saddams trial a-going?

[Willkillforfood]

All I know is he said he's not afraid of execution ...and that's good for him because I'm sure they're gonna hang his ass.

[Lenny]

Hmmm...

You see, they asked him for his measurements the other day. And he started rattling off his inner leg, thigh, waist, chest. And they said, "Look here guv, we don't want none of that! Just give us your neck measurement and we'll be done."

Sounded much beter on TV...oh well... :(

If I were a ferret I'd walk around in a top hat with silver cane, "I'm a ferret doon't cha know."

[Willkillforfood]

lol, they need to know how tall he is and how much he weights, main ones for that measurement I'd say ...then again one can never go wrong if they hang him over a dry well ...but that wouldn't give the iraqis the satisfaction of watching him go "crunch".

If I were a ferret I'd chew out Graviton's eyes.

[Lenny]

http://www.answers.com/topic/have-i-got-news-for-you

That's the ferret guy!

Paul Merton.

That show is amazing!

A satirical quiz show about the past week of British News. If you want to download any, go for the latest one with Borris Johnson. Pure Comedy Gold. :)

[Willkillforfood]

I don't usually click with British comedy the best. If it's as satirical as say ..."A Modest Proposal" then I don't think I'll "lol" :P

[Lenny]

The 22 April 2005 episode, after the election of the new pope, featured Merton repeatedly talking about him having "the eyes of a killer", under the pretense that if he said it often enough the editors would have to include it at some point (which they did, many times over). At one point he accused the pope of injuring a man with a frozen sausage, if only in jest. Various verbal jabs were also made towards Michael Winner, who was at the time the star of eSure's dubious Calm Down Dear insurance commercials, who was on Hislop's team. His use of the lame catchphrase led Merton to observe "Thank God we've got that out of the way".

The 29 April 2005 episode was chaired by veteran presenter Nicholas Parsons. Sections of the show were changed to emulate Just a Minute (the Radio 4 comedy quiz hosted by Parsons on which Merton is a panellist) and Sale of the Century.

The 13 May 2005 episode contained a segment modelled on British TV quiz show Blankety Blank. The section, entitled "Blunkety Blunk" parodied disgraced ex-Cabinet minister David Blunkett and his return to politics in the 2005 general election.

The final episode of the series on 3 June 2005 featured Merton expressing his amusement at KFC selling "buckets" of chicken, and suggested that they sell "a trough, a whole trough of chicken...and a ditch of chips and a skip of coleslaw!"

The guys on this show are genii!

True British Humour and Comedy are the best in the world. I've never heard of "A Modest Proposal", but a quick Google search makes it sound quite interesting.

Just download the episode with Boris Johnson in the chair, and I guarantee you'll love it!

[Willkillforfood]

Im not on my pc or I would. On my friend's. Well I lied ...I don't feel like messing with it right now either :P. 6 days off in a row ...work tomorrow ;_;.

[Curian]

Thanks Lenny I needed that laugh BTW this is off topic but you should check out jibjab.com they have some funny political cartoons.

Back to the topic...Saddam Hussien has a better chance here than in Iraq for his court case and I'm more than sure they will give him a fair trail..........followed by a noon hanging.

[D3V]

I haven't figured out yet why we didn't just blow up the whole fucking country a couple of years ago. It's like... we started to, but then we changed our minds.

I say we either just bomb 'em off the face of the planet or send in Chuck.

/threadig

I love arrogant and stupid Medieval_Bob was.