Power and Cable

[Acer]

I lost both Monday due to Wilma but got Power back Thursday and cable just now... you know what, my room is fucking clean as shit tho. LOL! Boredom... very powerful sometimes

[Dar_Win]

So what'd you do mostly during the four days you didn't have power?

[Acer]

Yard work, I have a big yard and its lots of trees and shit. Also my room, and most of all... i complained since I didnt have a shower since sunday... gross.

[JRwakebord]

You scrub. At least you got it back now. If i was you, the very first thing I would have done would have been to take a shower.

[Acer]

Oh I did take a shower ASAP... what sucks is I have well water so my step-dad had to turn on the pump and get the air out of the lines... so after having power I still had to wait a few hours to take a shower. It felt so nice

[Dar_Win]

Lol, you must've smelled terrible from all the yard work.

[Acer]

Oh yeah, this is how I was thinking... "well since I cant take a shower, no problem doing yard work im already dirty"... eh wrong!

[sciencekid]

wouldn't it be cool if someone invented a low cost generator that ran on the gravitational or magnetic field of the earth that powered a whole entire house? now that would be something I would want to create! then you wouldn't have to worry about power failures. :)

[PureRebel]

uhhh... ohk then :rolleyes: big imagination..

[Lenny]

But how would you harness either 'power'? That's the real question. If you can work out that then the world is your oyster.

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Nice sig Rebel... :p The only problem is, Hitler was a political genius, and Bush ain't. Bush ain't even a genius.

[sciencekid]

well it's quite easy, in a respect. we already have generators utilizing a stationary magnetic field. and the magnetic field of the earth is changing polarity so slowly that it still might work. the only problem is that the field is quite weak when compared square foot for square foot of a regular generator. I could be wrong though.

[Lenny]

Fair enough. I'd be more inclined to believe you than me.

I'd say it would be eaiser to use Gravity instead then. And I've got a nice picture in my head of a giant ball clacky thingy, you know the balls that clack against each other? You know the thing with 5 metal balls, you pull one up and let it fly into the three middle ones and the one on the other side swings out...

Yeah, so, picture of a giant one of those...really big. I'd say as tall as a block of flats...which is only around 20 floors around here...and someone stood on a ledge holding a ball I don't know how many times bigger than them, and harnessing that to get the energy...

I'm rambling, sorry.

[sciencekid]

uhhh... ohk then :rolleyes: big imagination..

oh, and PureRebel, such "big imaginations" are where almost all if not all our technology comes from. So I wouldn't be talking if I were you. that computer you're typing on came from "big imaginations". have I made myself clear? Or do I have to keep repeating myself?

[sciencekid]

what you're reffering to is called a pendulum. and still the magnetic energy from the earth can be enhanced in the same way electicity can be enhanced. I think......

[Lenny]

So it is... :) Silly me.

Which would you say is the most powerful? The Earth's Gravitational- or Magnetic field?

I don't suppose both are directly linked are they? For one, both do attract objects...to some degree.

[sciencekid]

I'm still working on a more beneficial machine that once started, it will continue to created energy. and don't tell me it's impossible because many people said that other things were impossible. yet they happened.

[sciencekid]

hmmmm. gravitational or magnetic. hmmmmm............... well, since the gravitational field is affected by density and mass(but mainly density), and the magnetic field isn't.............. I'd say it's like comparing an orange and an apple. both are fruit, but the work in different ways. in essence, inconclusive at this point, but my opinion? I'd say the gravitaional field is stronger. why? because the moon is kept on orbit, not because of the magnetic field, but because of the gravitational one.

[Lenny]

A true...oh bugger, I've forgotten what you call them...begins with P.

Anyway, a true P------ machine is impossible. You can come close to creating one, for example a machine that will power itself for hundreds of years, but it will eventually stop. A machine that powers itself forever is impossible to build at this point in time. We don't have the technology for it.

Don't tell me the word...I'll get it eventually.

Also, I'm not trying to be pushy or anything, but could you try putting all your answers in one post? Please? My head's beginning to hurt seeing how many posts I gotta reply to... :p

[sciencekid]

thats the word I was looking for! perpetual! anyway. I was referring to the relative sense of "forever". yes the parts will wear down, but I'm trying to find a way that the energy part of it won't wear out.

edit: oops! sorry lenny. my bad. umm. I've got to go real soon. I'll be back in about 3-4 hours most likely 3

[Lenny]

Oh...you told me... :(

I got the first letter right... :)

Of course the parts will wear down, but in this day and age it isn't possible to build a Perpetual Motion machine. The energy will run out, even if only after a very long time period.

I think the first example of a Perpetual Machine was a self-winding clock? Something to do with the hands going around that wound the clock...I don't know for sure. But it lasted a few hundred years before it finally stopped.

The energy will run out until we can find something that is 100% efficient. Until then, Perpetual Motion machines will always stop in the end.

[sciencekid]

Oh...you told me... :(

I got the first letter right... :)

oh, crap. i'm sorry. I was in such a hurry to get out the door(my sister was pushing me) I think I skipped over that part. sorry.

Of course the parts will wear down, but in this day and age it isn't possible to build a Perpetual Motion machine. The energy will run out, even if only after a very long time period.

I think the first example of a Perpetual Machine was a self-winding clock? Something to do with the hands going around that wound the clock...I don't know for sure. But it lasted a few hundred years before it finally stopped.

The energy will run out until we can find something that is 100% efficient. Until then, Perpetual Motion machines will always stop in the end.

Ok, that's true for what the technology is now. but that can change. at least they will run longer than they do now :) . but what about harnessing an artificial black hole smaller than an electron, throw a whole bunch of stuff at it. it would then throw back a whole lot of energy; in nuclear form! Then it will be a perpetual machine(or whatever)! I think there is a recent article in the discover magazine about that. I'll have to find it.

[Lenny]

Granted, it will definitely change. I'd estimate that sometime in the next two centuries someone will create the first truly perpetual motion machine.

And if you could make that black hole, and harness it's energy then you could power everything!

I'm guessing you've read The Da Vinci Code? If you could produce something like the antimatter and harness the power you'd make millions!

[Acer]

I am sure with all this there will be huge downsides... we will kill ourselves by then

[Lenny]

Not if we put it all in France. Turn France into a huge power station, all the better for us... :D

[sciencekid]

unfortunately, I didn't read the book. I asked my mom about the book(she didn't read it but she heard of it). what does it talk about, pertaining to our discussion?

also I read other books on time and space theories involving things like that.

using antimatter and matter in a collision generator is groundbreaking, but also extremely dangerous. an accidental explosion could warp time/space, annihilate everything, or have some other unknown effect.

wow, we have got to get a section dedicated to scientific theories, this is fun to pick our brains! very intriguing :) here is a page from the newest discover magazine. I think you'll find it interesting ;) it's about the most powerful particle accelerator in the world that goes online in Geneva in 2007. It may produce tiny black holes.

[PureRebel]

The energy from colliding positrons and antielectrons "is 10 billion times ... that of high explosive," Edwards explained in his March speech. Moreover, 1 gram of antimatter, about 1/25th of an ounce, would equal "23 space shuttle fuel tanks of energy." Thus "positron energy conversion," as he called it, would be a "revolutionary energy source" of interest to those who wage war.

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The energy from colliding positrons and antielectrons "is 10 billion times ... that of high explosive," Edwards explained in his March speech. Moreover, 1 gram of antimatter, about 1/25th of an ounce, would equal "23 space shuttle fuel tanks of energy." Thus "positron energy conversion," as he called it, would be a "revolutionary energy source" of interest to those who wage war.

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Antimatter Antiprotons/antielectrons have been theoreticly thought to have a speed 30 billion times faster than that of the speed of Light.





THat would be the best fuckign source of energy ever.. but why have it when we know it would be used against us as a weapon any way?
and anti-matter particles are very very rare.. it takes over a year for physicists or w/e they are to create just one heavy anti-matter particle.

[sciencekid]

ah, but a collision of such particles would be brief and you'd have to continuously recreate the explosion. a mini black hole if sustained and fed, could produce a continous line of energy. besides, you could easily blow up yourself and everything else in this universe if you use the antimatter way.

[Grav]

I've got it. Mjordan has basically laid out the theoretical physics for this device: in his Graviton/Gravitized thesis. I'll become the power source for the world's energy!

[sciencekid]

......... right.......... anyway.

[Grav]

http://zelaron.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33878&highlight=gravitized

[sciencekid]

ok! my bad! nevermind.

[Grav]

Coincidentally, I think that thread was the last time Raziel posted.

[PureRebel]

ive seen somethin on the net like the device in the devinci code.. it has been tested and used, although they have manage to use antimatter-matter collision they could only capture about 1/2 of the energy that was produced in the containment of the device and the rest was moving too fast it went straight through the magnetic field which was holding them.. when i can be bothered later ill search for it.. i think the devices name is something like BaBa

[Lenny]

Sorry sciencekid, I'm on about the wrong book... :p

It's actually he one before the Da Vinci Code that talks about Anti-matter - Angels and Demons.

using antimatter and matter in a collision generator is groundbreaking, but also extremely dangerous. an accidental explosion could warp time/space, annihilate everything, or have some other unknown effect.

That's basically what the plot is...a bomb of antimatter. Not gonna say anymore else it will spoil it.

Just to tell you... :p

[Adrenachrome]

Wait... I got lost...

[sciencekid]

what are you lost about?

[Lenny]

Lesse...you and I started nattering about Gravity and Magnetic Fields to harness to power things, which progressed into miniature black holes, which progressed even further into Antimatter after I mentioned a book. And then PureRebel took the torch and you two had a natter about antimatter, and then I popped up with a book name...

[JRwakebord]

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6226/wtfcopy2qa.jpg

[sciencekid]

Lesse...you and I started nattering about Gravity and Magnetic Fields to harness to power things, which progressed into miniature black holes, which progressed even further into Antimatter after I mentioned a book. And then PureRebel took the torch and you two had a natter about antimatter, and then I popped up with a book name...

..... i see...... ok then.....

[Adrenachrome]

Wtf Natter>?