LiveWire = Banned?

[Titusfied]

What happened to cause this? I just noticed, don't know why though..

[!King_Amazon!]

He probably showed WetWired up or something, you know that's how things work in the mafia.

[Thanatos]

These are dark days.

[Adrenachrome]

Uh.. Wtf yea, why is he banned?

[Sovereign]

Banned for ripping off the synthesis theme on his own website.

[pr0xy]

Wasn't he banned before for something like that also?

[Penguin]

Banned for ripping off the synthesis theme on his own website.

Yap. Chruser even tried to message him on AIM and livewire was all "Yeah it was a good rip huh?" and well Chruser does not like having things ripped without permission. Who needs Live wire when you have a Wet wire(d).

[Demosthenes]

:(

There goes another good member. We're short on those these days.

[Penguin]

110% Chruser's idea ^_^

[JRwakebord]

While it sucks getting members banned, I can side with Chruser on this one.

[Penguin]

Yeap, I sided with him too ^_^

[Thanatos]

:(

There goes another good member. We're short on those these days.

He wasn't that active and we really don't have that many dumbasses as before.

[BarbWire]

In my defense, I would like to post about the situation.

The style was publicly available online for download. This person told me about it and where to download it. So I did, and I used it. I had it up on my website for almost a year; without anyone ever saying anything.

I got an IM from Chruser and this is what was said:


[04:52] Zelaron: Nice rip there.
[04:53] Zelaron: With Google ads and all.
[04:59] LiveWireeed: Thanks, It was nice at first, but it got old fast. It attracts the wrong audience and spirt to the community. I have plans on doing a redesign with the upcoming vBulletin release. I wasn't actually the one to rip it; someone else was. They where just kind enough to send me the zip.
[05:01] LiveWireeed: Well what do you know, I've been banned. lol
[05:02] LiveWireeed: You have to admit though, it was a nice rip.


He never said anything to me after that on AIM that night, instead he made a post about it at vBulletin.org. Which can be found here: http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=93958

He then sent an email to my webhost, which so happens to be a very close friend of mine. So I sent Chruser an email which said the following:


Hellow Sir,

Deaths, my administrators, says he found that style at a site where
they were available to download for free for public use. If you could prove,
however, that the style is licensed to you, then we would be talking
about an illegal distribution of your work. But then again, maybe my
administrator
is simply lying, even though I would doubt that?

However, I will take down the style with proof of you being the actual author.
Ask your attorny to send me a confirmaion, and I will gladly take the
style down as well.

--
Best Regards,
Ken Iovino Jr


He then IMed me on AIM about 20 mins after I sent that email. This was the conversation.


Zelaron (6:46:32 AM): What are the alternatives?
LiveWireeed (6:47:58 AM): Give me a day or so to upload a new style, and unban my zelaron account.
LiveWireeed (6:49:14 AM): (quote=Deaths)I offered them quite a good price for the skin but never got a reply from WW, you can mention that.(/quote)
Zelaron (6:53:26 AM): That is nice, but you will have to be more substantial than that, regarding my previous experience with your less successful attempt to "rip off" Zelaron's "Synthesis" theme, and the registration of another domain name very similar to zelaron.com for the sake of misleading users.
Zelaron (6:53:54 AM): I have to depart for roughly 30 hours. Goodbye.
Zelaron signed off at 6:54:09 AM.


Afterwards, I decided to take the style down from the public; I'm hoping Chruser will unban my account here at Zelaron, because I wouldn't want the style to be avaliable to all 4,000 of my members who want to download it. Unless of course Chruser can have his antorney send me a confirmaion; that the style is indeed has a copyright and is licensed to him.

LiveWire

[Adrenachrome]

Ain't that about a bitch...

[Kaneda]

Ohh we have drama! Wonderfull :D

[WetWired]

In the USA, where the style was first used, creators have copyright over intellectual property upon its generation. No registration is needed to secure rights under copyright law.

[S2 AM]

Sorry if this seems out of place, but you seem to be putting a lot of emphasis on something that doesn't seem like a big deal. Could someone put a link to the page which you are talking about? I guess I'd be pretty angry if someone ripped off my work, too, but it doesn't sound like it was for prophet, was it?

[Lenny]

Just click the link to the thread on the vBulletin site. The link to LiveWires site is on there.

It is a big deal. Chruser put a lot of work into making that style exclusively for this site. If you dig back through the posts you'll find one about a Legal Argument when someone was saying Chruser ripped his forums header. He made more fuss than Chruser is doing. I think that a lawsuit for copyright infringment could be started...though whether Chruser would want that I haven't a clue.

[Kaneda]

I don't see why you couldn't have just taken some time LiveWire and made your own. Its not hard to stretch pixels, fractual half of it, and slap you sites name on it.

[FireWire]

www.vbhackers.com is the site. I did not rip the style, it was downloaded publicly. That download is no longer avaliable at the moment.

Chruser, I ask that you unban my account here at Zelaron; as I did not rip the style, and the style was taken down the very next day. You want to play hardball, then I can too. I'm giving you one more chance to change your mind. Its not like you give a shit about Zelaron anyways. You hardly post, hardly vist, WW does ALL the updates, all the coding, provides the hosting, and he seems to make all the decisions around here, so why the fuck do you care anymore anyways?

Unban my account, do alittle investigating and ban the person who did rip it.

[!King_Amazon!]

Just because you didn't rip it doesn't make it right, that's like downloading a DVD and saying it isn't illegal because you didn't rip it.

[Grav]

but it doesn't sound like it was for prophet, was it?
What? Did you mean for profit? If not, I don't get the joke.

[S2 AM]

Wow, too much HALO 2 on the brain

[Sum Yung Guy]

Wow, too much HALO 2 on the brain
Or booze.

[S2 AM]

Or booze.
It's name is Vodka.

[Penguin]

You want to play hardball, then I can too. I'm giving you one more chance to change your mind. Its not like you give a shit about Zelaron anyways. You hardly post, hardly vist, WW does ALL the updates, all the coding, provides the hosting, and he seems to make all the decisions around here, so why the fuck do you care anymore anyways?

Unban my account, do alittle investigating and ban the person who did rip it.

You tried convincing zel members/mods/admins and you threaten? See, now I want to see you banned just to see if you can do anything. Dont be an idiot, seriously, take back what you said and dont fucking threaten anyone (Except dev, you can do whatever you like to him ^_^). If you do truly care about the community side of this site, which you damn well should given the amount of time/posts you have. I see you actually posted some decent things once in a while, and people should be grateful, so dont be stupid and just accept that you shouldent of done what you did. You cant win anyone to your side acting like some macho dumbass, and it dosent matter its up to chruser so if you want back into His forum, then do what He wants. If you dont care enough for this forum then just go back to your forum, its not like your forums are dead or anything, why waste your time here?

[S2 AM]

If you do truly care about the community side of this site, which you damn well should given the amount of time/posts you have.

The community side is... Shallow and Pedantic.

[Sum Yung Guy]

Yes shallow and pendat... Peter just shut the hell up.

[S2 AM]

Yes shallow and pendat... Peter just shut the hell up.

Lol someone's a little cranky this morning, you didn't get you're continental breakfast?

[Sum Yung Guy]

Lol someone's a little cranky this morning, you didn't get you're continental breakfast?

Ive been doing SIPR for the last couple days, and morning chow at the DFAC consist of eggs ham ground beef and gravy all mixed together and slopped on our plates... its so bad, i had one bite.

[Titusfied]

Heh, reminds me slightly of TacoX if you ask me. From what I've read, if LiveWire did actually take down the skin, which was agreed by Chruser, why is he still banned?

His last post was an asshole post, but regardless...

[S2 AM]

Hey hey hey! I just ate man, I'd like to keep it down, don't remind me.. that shit is disgusting, I hope 1-36 has better shit.

Go get em SIPRnet, go Automations NCOIC go, go Automations NCOIC go, go Speed Ra.... I mean Automations NCOIC gooooooo.

[DryWire]

I'm not trying to convince Zelaron members, and I wouldn't do anything that would hurt the community; I'm not Mantralord. The funny thing was, this whole time this was going on, Chruser never onced asked me to take the style down; I did take it down.

[slaynish]

Maybe thats not what chruser wants.

Think about your hard work stolen. He doesnt want to play hardball, maybe he just wants an apology, and a written statement why you did it, and fill out a think sheet too.


1.Write a statement why you did what you did:

2.What were you feeling when you ripped this style? Choose one:

Happy

Sad

Angry

Dizzy

Laughing

Explain why?

3.Draw a picture on Paint, on what you did.

4.Paint a picture of what your victim must've acted/looked like when he found out what you did.

5. Draw a picture of what you would like you and your victim to be in the next 2 weeks.

k, just fill that out in wordpad, and post it here, with pic's linked with [img] tags.

[Penguin]

1. Shutup Slaynish.
2. Let Livewire figure out what to do himself.
3. Be the best man in slaynish+d3v wedding?

=/

[WetWired]

Where the hell has Chruser been these past few days, anyway?

[Sovereign]

He doesn't look idle on aim O_o

[slaynish]

1. Shutup Slaynish.
2. Let Livewire figure out what to do himself.
3. Be the best man in slaynish+d3v wedding?

=/


penguin why must you always rain on my parade?

I was making a point. You dont have to always treat shit like its black and white. It might be a little more complicated than a "ill take your style down, but you do this for me in return", like i said its not always black and white.

I just want to stab your neck when you say d3v. Dont talk about him.

[Kaneda]

He said he was leaving for a 30 day hiatus right? So hes probably still there. I don't think he required to inform every1 where hes going. Although that wouldnt explain the nonidle AIM.

[pr0xy]

Maybe he is a laptop =/

I bet his next name will be BannedWire :grin:

[Titusfied]

He's been at a computer, thats for sure, I've actually just gotten an IM from him within the hour. I usually get one a few times a week out of random. The latest was about some Conan clip..

[Sovereign]

Pfft. Well now that you said it....

[BanWire]

It just goes to show how much he cares about this community that he started. He'll come around to use the site for some advertising, but will hardly post.

[Penguin]

Who cares, I do that with 90% of my projects, I usually spend my undivided attention on my Current project (Untill I find a new one) and have little to no time to put into the various other ongoing projects, which is probably the case with Chruser. I am pretty sure he keeps busy nowadays.

[pr0xy]

It just goes to show how much he cares about this community that he started. He'll come around to use the site for some advertising, but will hardly post.


I WIN!

[Kaneda]

He probably just saw your post. :P

[ZelaWire]

He probably just saw your post. :P

Yup, thats exacly why.

I guess I am banned for good. If anyone owns a vBulletin forum, just get in touch with me; I'll send you the synthesis skin. It will be avalible to about 25k members by tomorrow. I'll also make sure to recode it for 3.5 as well. ^^

[Sovereign]

Cool. You're a thief AND a moron.

[HandOfHeaven]

Well of course. Aren't most programmers?

[Chruser]

Yup, thats exacly why.

I guess I am banned for good. If anyone owns a vBulletin forum, just get in touch with me; I'll send you the synthesis skin. It will be avalible to about 25k members by tomorrow. I'll also make sure to recode it for 3.5 as well. ^^

LiveWire, thank you, those words of yours would look very nice in a copyright infringement lawsuit, should there be one. You keep claiming that you have downloaded it publicly, although, as old Zelaron members may remember, you have previously "ripped" Synthesis in a less successful way. Oh, but let me guess, you downloaded that less successful rip as well?

Wait a second, maybe these words sound familiar?

"Well i know this isnt much, and i prolly been a pain in the ass for rippin your style and stuff. But i bought www.zelron.com a while ago and i really have no use for it at all. So i thought i would go ahead and give you the name. i have it pointed to www.zelaron.com right now so. Go to godaddy.com and click on the "My Account" link and sign in with this info and you can have that account for free with the domain name."

That's right, they're your words, LiveWire. Suddenly your claim of having downloaded the style from a "public location" do not seem equally valid. If you were pursued into tell us of the source of your Synthesis theft, you would just upload it to some site that appears to be someone else's, would you not? I believe your threat mentioned above of publishing Synthesis to "about 25k members" speaks for itself. We don't like thieves and liars on Zelaron forums. But thanks for the domain, although it expired.

On another topic, I don't have nearly as much time for forum browsing these days, and it will become even worse as of next week as I start art school with no internet access from Monday thru Friday.

4:25 am, time to sleep.
Thanks guys.

[!King_Amazon!]

Krewser ftw

[WireLive]

LiveWireeed: Why don't you scan threw some of my most recent PMs on zelaron and you will find out who ripped the style and where it is being hosted faggot
LiveWireeed: Before you try pointing fingers, so some reseach before you jump to conclusions, and WTF does my old as PM have to do with anything. I never denied ripping the style the last time.
Zelaron: Good enough for me, thank you.
LiveWireeed: Whats good enough for you? Did you even see the PM?


Fuck off Chruser, I hope to hear from your attorney soon. Your'll lucky you don't live near by. I would beat the shit out of you.

[Thanatos]

Fuck off Chruser, I hope to hear from your attorney soon. Your'll lucky you don't live near by. I would beat the shit out of you.

Now you're threatening someone over the internet. You're on a roll.

[HandOfHeaven]

You'd physically beat the shit out of a Swede? Damn you're racist....

[Sovereign]

E-threat. Man are you tuff.

[Kaneda]

Uh oh. Now no one likes you LiveWire. Dont get upsets just cause Chruser owned you.
Also, its a common fact people get defensive and angry whenever they get backed into a corner or busted or found out. You know all of your threats are hollow, your just antagonizing now.

[JRwakebord]

Yah, I think that you just lost whatever support you may have had from the members here with that one.


And it's "antagonizing".

[undeadzombieguy]

The boy has fallen to the dark side...This is most unfortunate.

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[Titusfied]

Heh, I was actually trying to get you unbanned, but you seemed to out-do yourself during the course of this thread. Now, I have no desire for you to ever be unbanned, and I actually do hope some sort of case gets pursued, although I know it won't.

[TireWire]

All well, I don't care anymore. This site has just fallen apart anyways. The style is now avaliable to the public for download.

[Sovereign]

For someone who doesn't care, you sure make a lot of new usernames! I smell a LIE!

[pr0xy]

All well, I don't care anymore. This site has just fallen apart anyways. The style is now avaliable to the public for download.

Its fallen apart? I see it the other way around. I see this site is now a small community of friends. It seems almost like a family now. I think the memberbase of this forum is stronger than it has ever been before. And you have helped in bringing us all together.

[D3V]

Unban livewire

[WetWired]

Unbanning random people won't make them come back.

[D3V]

But his ban was unjustified. He cleared his name, and the ban still stands.

[Kazilla]

How many times have we unbanned d3v, look he is still here.

[D3V]

point taken.

[WetWired]

When was this? I don't see it.

[D3V]

He was accused for ripping VB from, which apparently it turned out to be open source?

[WetWired]

No, I don't think so.

[D3V]

In my defense, I would like to post about the situation.

The style was publicly available online for download. This person told me about it and where to download it. So I did, and I used it. I had it up on my website for almost a year; without anyone ever saying anything.

I got an IM from Chruser and this is what was said:



He never said anything to me after that on AIM that night, instead he made a post about it at vBulletin.org. Which can be found here: http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=93958

He then sent an email to my webhost, which so happens to be a very close friend of mine. So I sent Chruser an email which said the following:



He then IMed me on AIM about 20 mins after I sent that email. This was the conversation.



Afterwards, I decided to take the style down from the public; I'm hoping Chruser will unban my account here at Zelaron, because I wouldn't want the style to be avaliable to all 4,000 of my members who want to download it. Unless of course Chruser can have his antorney send me a confirmaion; that the style is indeed has a copyright and is licensed to him.

LiveWire

here u go ww i replied his post so u wouldnt have to click the [1]

[!King_Amazon!]

So basically he said because it was publicly available for download, he wasn't at fault, and then threatened to release the style to his 4000 members if Chruser didn't unban him.

WE DON'T NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS

[D3V]

except mantralord.

[WetWired]

So he was threatening to make a style he got from a publicly available source publicly available? That seems odd to me.

[D3V]

So he was threatening to make a style he got from a publicly available source publicly available? That seems odd to me.

correct. which is why I posted But his ban was unjustified. He cleared his name, and the ban still stands. about 5 posts up.

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused:

[!King_Amazon!]

What you are failing to realize is that the fact that it was publicly available doesn't make it legal for him to use something that isn't his. A lot of copyrighted material is available publicly. That doesn't make it legal to posess or use, especially when it's potentially for profit (on a forum that hosts ads, for instance.)

He stole someone elses work, even though it wasn't from the source, and then threatened to release the knowingly stolen material to his members if Chruser didn't submit to his desires. He's an asshole. Which probably makes him perfect for these forums, but unbanning him isn't going to bring him back anyway.

[Kazilla]

WE DON'T NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS


Actually.. we do.

[Skurai]

WE DON'T NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS

Unless they have money.except mantralord.

lolActually.. we do.

Zelaron is a nation of terrorists. Every member is an evil government that must be overthrown by another member.
And I am the Hitler of them all. :grin:

[!King_Amazon!]

lol

You haven't even been here long enough to have any idea why D3v's statement could be considered funny. Mantralord has caused some havoc on Zelaron in the past.

[Wed-G]

You haven't even been here long enough to have any idea why D3v's statement could be considered funny. Mantralord has caused some havoc on Zelaron in the past.

What if he regularly prowls ancient posts?

Not hard to imagine. D3v does it all the time. -_- Ahem. < -_- ^

[Kazilla]

Was it mantralord that got zelaron on the gaming news about some cracked diablo 3 copy? Or someshit like that, I remember reading about it.

[!King_Amazon!]

There was rumors about Doom 3 being leaked or some nonsense here. It was actually published in a magazine. I don't think Mantralord had anything to do with that though. That was more of an "inside joke."

[WetWired]

That was Penguin. And as much as D3V has been thread digging lately, who's to say who people do and don't know about anymore?

[!King_Amazon!]

I would be very surprised if Skurai had any clue what "terrorist"-like things Mantralord has done in the past. It hasn't been mentioned in any of the threads that D3v has dug, as far as I'm aware, and unless he knew specifically what to search for it would be an incredible coincidence for him to actually stumble upon that relatively small amount of information.

[jamer123]

well ka you could go back ... archive.org and search all the deleted threads ... wetwired shame on you

[!King_Amazon!]

well ka you could go back ... archive.org and search all the deleted threads ... wetwired shame on you

I realize that, but the problem isn't thread deletion (as the threads are likely still there) but rather inability to easily locate the threads. Unless you knew what to look for, how would you find anything? You might be able to go back and read every post Mantralord has ever made or something. Good luck with that.

[D3V]

find out when he was banned, filter it to the year/month.

[Skurai]

type in an exact post from that thread and search it. Unless the saying is as common as "Are you implying (...)?", you should find it.

[!King_Amazon!]

The particular instance I'm referring to is when he DoS attacked Zelaron. I don't think it was revealed immediately that he did it, and I don't know if he was ever banned for it either. Anyway, I've lost interest in this.

[Skurai]

DoS...
I've heard alot about those, and I've read a bit, but never understood. What is it, please explain in two or more sentences. This will be on the test.

[!King_Amazon!]

I'm not your fucking mom.

[D3V]

The particular instance I'm referring to is when he DoS attacked Zelaron. I don't think it was revealed immediately that he did it, and I don't know if he was ever banned for it either. Anyway, I've lost interest in this.

Same, it's irrelevant.

Skurai if you really want answers just promise mantra you'll send him pics and he'll do anything you say.