Space Questions

[Shining Knights]

It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

[Sovereign]

This is a crock of shit. It's based on '[a]' having tech that doesn't even exist.

Alternate reality? That would mean that there are INFINITE numbers of realitys. For every single action there are an ENOURMOUSLY large amout of possible outcomes. In one reality you can move your arm 2 inches, in another, 1.999999999999999999999 inches. ETc Etc. At this moment the two realities break apart. They are no longer identical. To see into another reality and see the planet exploding is just one POSSIBLE outcome. Not THE outcome. You'd have to go see millions of others to make even a somewhat educated guess, and even then the odds are that you are wrong. All you could do is warn them that this COULD happen. But try explaining to them that you saw into another reality timeline.... they'll institutionalize you.

[Grav]

What Sov said, basically.

[Shining Knights]

It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

[Grav]

Why don't you stop asking us mortals, and seek answers in the divine BIBLE CODES?!

[Demosthenes]

Why don't you stop asking us mortals, and seek answers in the divine BIBLE CODES?!

That made me laugh, Grav.

[Demosthenes]

I have some deep thought questions. Now, let’s say your friend ([B]), and you ([A]) are on different planets. [A] is on planet Earth, and [B] is on a different galaxy, planet, for example: Andromeda and some planet. Now, from planet Earth [A] can: 1: See the planet [B] is on, and [B]'s people. 2: Be able to notify [B] in a short amount of time (instant, per se). 3: See into the future for a short amount of time. Now, lets say [A] looks into the future and sees that [B]'s planet is going to explode, actually witnesses the reality from Earth (remember we see into the past from Earth). When [A] gets back, [A] states a message: "Your planet is going to explode, leave ASAP." But just as [B] was getting the message the planet exploded. [A] knowing this, and seeing the reality from Earth (seeing the planet still there)--the reality coming towards [A]. Could [A] still message and get a reply from [B] in that reality that’s coming towards him? If so, could [B] be resaved in that reality. This is just one for now. Have fun.

Edit: Someone move to GC.

The post is somewhat difficult to understand. First of all, person [A] wouldn't see the planet explode until millions of years after it exploded, but lets say he saw that in the future it would explode. There is no reality coming towards him -- just light. [B] would already be dead. [A] couldn't save [B]. There is no alternate reality. The fact that [A] could still see the planet is due to the lag between what's happening at point [B] and the time it takes light to get here.

[Mantralord]

Rather than speculate on highly improbable cosmic situations involving Einsteinian math, can any of you shitsacks do something useful and help me find my socks?

[Demosthenes]

Rather than speculate on highly improbable cosmic situations involving Einsteinian math, can any of you shitsacks do something useful and help me find my socks?

No.

WW!!!!!

[Sovereign]

Check under your bed.

[Mantralord]

Found them.

[DaFrigginDoctah]

Where were they?

[pr0xy]

The answer to that i believe involves a complex situation of Sock A having far superior technology to that of Sock B in an alternate reality where both socks are on different furnature in his room. Now if Sock A could see Sock B on the dresser from under the bed, and could see mantra walking toward said sock. Is it logical that Sock A could warn Sock B of the impeeding doom before it was too late?

[Mantralord]

Nah, it was in the rat cage.

[Shining Knights]

It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

[Grav]

I knew you would say that. If you take every other 18th letter using manga formatting starting from Psalm 113 and going backwards, it says exactly that.

[JRwakebord]

If you really wanna have fun with the Bible, look in Revelation 1:17.

"When I caught sight of him, I fell down at his feet as though dead. He touched me with his right hand and said 'Do not be afraid. I am the first and the last' ".

It gets ever better if you keep reading from there.


Revelation was written by John.

Hm... John 1:17. Anyone seeing the connection? Seems like a gigantic storyline hint to me, if you can figure it out...

I know I see what could be a little bit of it.

[Medieval Bob]

Ya.. Mjord answered your question....

The post is somewhat difficult to understand. First of all, person [A] wouldn't see the planet explode until millions of years after it exploded, but lets say he saw that in the future it would explode. There is no reality coming towards him -- just light. [B] would already be dead. [A] couldn't save [B]. There is no alternate reality. The fact that [A] could still see the planet is due to the lag between what's happening at point [B] and the time it takes light to get here.

Just for completeness, I'll add and rephrase.

First off, [A] cannot see into the future. It's not possible. If someone could see into the future, they wouldn't be able to change a motherfucking thing, because the future would be the future. It's simple causality. If you know what will happen, then whatever the fuck you do doesn't matter. Know why? Because you know what will happen.

Secondly, if [A] could see [B]'s planet exploding before everyone else on Earth saw it (i.e. he was close to it when it happened), he could tell everyone on Earth that it was going to blow up and be held as a prophet when the light showing planet [B] exploding reached Earth. He could not, however, contact anyone on planet [B] because at time of transmission, it would be space dust.

[Lenny]

I wonder if the Bible Codes talk about -pH acids...

[Shining Knights]

It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

[Medieval Bob]

Light can't be the 4th dimension... First off, time is the 4th dimension.

Secondly, light isn't a dimension. It's an object that fills the original dimensions we already have.

To be a dimension, something has to have an axis along which space or beings can traverse. You can't travel ten feet in the positive direction along the light axis.

[Shining Knights]

It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

[Medieval Bob]

It's not theoretical. It's fact. Time is a dimension, and it's typically considered the fourth one... Being that nothing else takes precedence.

[Shining Knights]

It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

[Medieval Bob]

The number doesn't have any relevance... It's just in what order we put them.

For instance, what's the first dimension? You don't know? Because it's illelevant.

And it's a dimension because we travel along its axis. Do you even know what a dimension is?

[Shining Knights]

It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

[Medieval Bob]

Albert questioned unproved things. You're questioning the very definition of the word.

Time is a dimension.

It is the fourth dimension.

[Demosthenes]

Albert questioned unproved things. You're questioning the very definition of the word.

Time is a dimension.

It is the fourth dimension.

Yea, time is generally accepted as the fourth dimension. Light is simply electomagnetic radiation, and thus, can not be a dimension.

[Lenny]

There's no point in arguing with him Shinto.

You don't get the -pH reference do you?? Ah well...search it...

Oh yeah...baa!

Wiat...you say follow the crowd more...and then I'm a sheep...sheep are usually people who do follow the crowd...

And why the hell fallow???

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Anyway, what did you do to earn the 'Loser' status??

[slaynish]

Thats just his avatar you nub.

[Lenny]

He made his own Loser avatar and uses it?? R-ight...

Talking about avatars...this one bores me...I need tot change it...

[slaynish]

Yes?

As far as I am concerned sup mods have no reason to alter ones Ava becuase that would really make them nazis

[JRwakebord]

Not if they're punishing Nazis, then it's ok. *cough*residentjew*cough*

[pr0xy]

http://www.geocities.com/prodigygamers/INTARWEB_by_XxSahaquielxX.jpg

[!King_Amazon!]

I have some deep thought questions. Now, let’s say your friend ([B]), and you ([A]) are on different planets. [A] is on planet Earth, and [B] is on a different galaxy, planet, for example: Andromeda and some planet. Now, from planet Earth [A] can: 1: See the planet [B] is on, and [B]'s people. 2: Be able to notify [B] in a short amount of time (instant, per se). 3: See into the future for a short amount of time. Now, lets say [A] looks into the future and sees that [B]'s planet is going to explode, actually witnesses the reality from Earth (remember we see into the past from Earth). When [A] gets back, [A] states a message: "Your planet is going to explode, leave ASAP." But just as [B] was getting the message the planet exploded. [A] knowing this, and seeing the reality from Earth (seeing the planet still there)--the reality coming towards [A]. Could [A] still message and get a reply from [B] in that reality that’s coming towards him? If so, could [B] be resaved in that reality. This is just one for now. Have fun.

Edit: Someone move to GC.
Relativity.

[Kaneda]

Maybe its just not a human dimension.

[Medieval Bob]

That would be like saying smell is a dimension... It's not a fucking dimension. Just drop it.

[!King_Amazon!]

The fourth dimension is time. Everyone knows that.

[!King_Amazon!]

Wow why did I bother reading this thread?

[JRwakebord]

Because you're bored, like me.

[Shining Knights]

It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

[Lenny]

Read and weep.

http://www.jimloy.com/physics/4d.htm
http://www.earthascending.com/time/jose2.htm
http://homepage.fcgnetworks.net/usalaw/4d2.htm

[Demosthenes]

Seriously Shinto, time is unanimously accepted in the Physics world as the fourth dimension.

[Shining Knights]

It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

[!King_Amazon!]

In the current world we live in, Length, Width, and Depth are the three spacial dimensions. We are also traveling through time. As I'm typing this, I am traveling through time at a certain speed which I believe is determined by relativity. Not everyone travels through time at the same rate.

[Lenny]

You're an idiot.

That's an opinion.

Let's see. How many of us saying time is the fourth dimension...against how many of you saying it isn't?? Hmm??

[Shining Knights]

It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

[!King_Amazon!]

"Wow. OK, let's go over this. If I want to specify an event, I need 4 numbers: latitude, longitude, altitude, and time. Hence four dimensions. Or look at it this way: An object could hardly exist with width and length but no depth; there would literally be no distance between one side and the other! Nor could something exist with length, width, depth, but no duration. It would pop out of existence the same instant it popped into existence! Hence, four dimensions."

This guy is correct.

Whoever the first guy is is an idiot. What he says doesn't even come close to making sense.

He says you "stop" your particles so they are no longer present. This makes no sense.

Oh, and also, he says time is just a measurement of the velocity of an object through the three real dimensions(length width and height). If this were true, velocity would be measured in seconds, not meters/second. Velocity is measured with a combination of space and time(meters[space]/second[time]).

[Shining Knights]

It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

[!King_Amazon!]

Reread my post, I made an edit.

Let me clarify what the 2nd guy said, since you seem to be too thick to understand it.

If I'm going to meet you somewhere in our dimension, I have to specify a place(which would be through longitude/latitude/altitude) and a time(like 8:30PM or 124235246 seconds from now). If I just tell you WHERE we are going to meet, then you would have no idea WHEN to go there. If I just told you WHEN we are going to meet, then you wouldn't know WHERE we are going to meet.

[Penny_Bags]

Shinto is a fucking moron. We all just need to cope.

His writing is awful, for one thing, and for another.... he gets a fucking boner because he likes to think he has "deep thoughts" what the fuck is it with our new up and coming adolescent elitist pseudo-intellectual society these days? Why is being "deep" so coveted? What the fuck does being "deep" even mean to you? Stop being a flaming jackass. Talking about something that you probably know very little about (this topic) is stupid and boring.

I don't know much about this topic, but what I do know is that you are fucking stupid. It doesn't matter what "number" dimension time is. What's important is that it is obviously a dimension and society found out that it was a dimension after the first three... hence... 4th dimension, dumbass.

[Shining Knights]

It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

[!King_Amazon!]

According to that link, time is not a dimension because you cannot travel through time, but in reality, we ARE traveling through time. Right now I am traveling through time. I might not be traveling at an abnormal rate, but I'm traveling through time nonetheless.

Traveling backwards through time is not possible, as the previous has already happened, but traveling forward in time is quite possible, as everyone on earth is proving right now. As you travel closer to the speed of light, you travel through time slower, gradually reaching the point where you are no longer traveling through time at all. It's my guess that it is impossible to reach this point, since if you did, you would just be stuck, since if you aren't moving through time, you cannot move through space either. Anyway, the point is, the faster you are traveling through space, the slower you are traveling through time. Back to relativity.

[!King_Amazon!]

Dictionary.com's definition of "dimension"

# Physics. A physical property, such as mass, length, time, or a combination thereof, regarded as a fundamental measure or as one of a set of fundamental measures of a physical quantity: Velocity has the dimensions of length divided by time.

A dimension IS a measurement. How do we measure our world? We don't measure it in gallons. Gallons is a dimension, not of our world though. The dimensions of the world we live in are length, width, height, and time.

Just stop arguing this with me. I AM RIGHT.

[Shining Knights]

It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

[Shining Knights]

It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

[!King_Amazon!]

Just shut up.

[Shining Knights]

It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

[Sovereign]

Time has a measurement. Just like width, length, and height. Just because you cant see this measurement doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Time is measured in minutes, seconds, hours, years, and so on, just like width is measured in cm's, m's, and km's.

I'll make it simple for you shinto.

dimension: A physical property, such as mass, length, time, or a combination thereof, regarded as a fundamental measure or as one of a set of fundamental measures of a physical quantity: Velocity has the dimensions of length divided by time.

fundamental: Of or relating to the foundation or base

foundation: The basis on which a thing stands, is founded, or is supported.

If there wasnt time, the universe would be static, and it would never, EVER change. It is a basis on which things in the universe change.

It IS a dimension.

Crackhead.

[Medieval Bob]

That also says the same thing as measurements. Lets look at time as a measurement of how many seconds I should go there to see you. This also applies to fallow which "way" to get to you--is not a way a longitude/latitude/altitude be considered a dimension with your thinking. Measurement is part of our way to interpret and comprehend. You can tell me what time to meet you, but without you telling me where then I have no idea where to go either. But the thing is (I do take in your opinion; maybe I'm not catching the whole jest of it. And maybe this will be a debate that can NEVER be settled.), how is this proving that time is a dimension? Because you can also say that measurements should be dimensions. Imagine: Width the 5th dimension.

Rofl. Width is one of the three first dimensions. Traditionally, it's the first dimension. It's not the 5th dimension. You can't imagine it as the 5th dimension, because you can't name 4 others to go before it.

Can we just ban Shinto from saying the words dimension, space, time, and theory?

[Demosthenes]

Shinto, time is by definition the fourth dimension. If you would like, you could call it the first dimension (I believe), but by convention it is the fourth dimension. You could label it anything you like. You could call it disneyland if you wanted, but in the Physics world, time is the 4th dimension by convention.

[Penny_Bags]

Penny_Bags likes to flame out of the flame forum, for one, and for another... he likes to talk about boners, and how he imagines me getting one--from my "deep thoughts", hence the comment. Penny also is immature, in which he complains and nags about topics, which if he has nothing better to say--anything intelligent (and/or contributing to the thread); he should not be posting at all. Hahahaha, you are so self contradictory... it's awesome. I'm so immature... great gauge of maturity, a gaming forum. Good job. You're a winner. You win so much, that you even manage to contradict yourself and still win.

A couple of the said contradictions:
1. Going off topic in order to bash someone for going off topic
2. Calling me immature and than going on to try and bash me for things that don't even make sense. Oh yeah... I sure LOVE thinking about you having a boner... you fucking fool. I am just talking about how fucking awesome you think you are for having these "deep thoughts". After that I simply questioned what the fuck being "deep" even meant to you, and why it's such a coveted thing.

Dear God, just look at yourself.
"Penny also is immature, in which he complains and nags about topics, which if he has nothing better to say--anything intelligent"
OH MY FUCKING GOD.

Christ, you are worthless. It's not so much of a flame as it is an expression of my distaste for your existence. However, I would still like to know why you think I don't contribute anything to Zelaron. I would also like to know how you can say that I don't say anything intelligent. I mean, self evaluation isn't the most accurate tool, but I am pretty sure if you ask around you'll see that others have a very different opinion of me than you do, emo boi.

[Demosthenes]

I agree. Penny kicks ass.

[Sovereign]

http://zelaron.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=92

PLEEEEEASE.

This thread has actual signs of intelligence from SOME people. I don't want to have to close it >_<

[Penny_Bags]

Bitch about it.

Fine... I'll... not win. Besides, originally I was just telling Shinto in a very long winded manner that he was arguing something stupid; the definition of the word.

[Kaneda]

No fool. Smell is a sense. Not anything like light, which is energy. No one knows if a being can move through a stream of energy.

[Kaneda]

"Noah - Time is not the 4th dimension:
Time is just a way of measuring the velocity of the motion of an object through the 3 real dimensions. In order to go into the future you would have to stop your particles for the desired amount of time (basically cryogenics). Your particles weren't present to have their effect on the future so the outcome would be slightly different than what it would have been. In order to go into the past you would have to reverse the past motion of all other particles in the universe (an exact reverse of physical law that affects everything but you). Going by that logic, I am lead to 'believe' that going into the past is literally impossible, but going into the future isn't very difficult at all. Now, if you are one that believes (I'm not saying I are or aren't) that the mind is immaterial then that still leaves the possibility for mental time travel. Any thoughts would be appreciated."

"Noah - Time is not the 4th dimension:
Wow. OK, let's go over this. If I want to specify an event, I need 4 numbers: latitude, longitude, altitude, and time. Hence four dimensions. Or look at it this way: An object could hardly exist with width and length but no depth; there would literally be no distance between one side and the other! Nor could something exist with length, width, depth, but no duration. It would pop out of existence the same instant it popped into existence! Hence, four dimensions.

I believe cryogenics simply slows all of your particles to a point where you are bairly alive, otherwise you would die. But if that wasn't true then yes technically you would be moving into the future while your person stays the exact same. Therefore, if the second paragraph is true as you guys say then the frozen person would stop existing because he has no duration? What defines that you are in the 4th dimension?

[Sovereign]

......

They freeze you after you die. THey take yoru body down to such a low temperature, that celular decay is almost stopped. You're not alive for any of it. Thats the point.... to freeze yourself after you die so one day you can hopfully be reborn...

[Kaneda]

Well, now we've got to factor in the "what happens after you die" principles. Are you still traveling into the future, while your body sits still on the dimensional timeline.

[Medieval Bob]

It doesn't matter what your body does.

It doesn't matter if you can travel more than one direction on the timeline.

It doesn't matter how do you it.

You, me, and everything else in this existence travels forward at the same (neglecting dilation nearing the speed of light) speed along the axis of time. That's how it is. That's how it's always been. That's how it always will be.

Why the hell are we still arguing this?

You're not philisophical by questioning what we label time. You're just appearing stupid.

[!King_Amazon!]

GG.

We win.

[Penny_Bags]

But shinto hasn't responded yet! Who knows! He could disprove all that research with a Zelaron post!

[Demosthenes]

But shinto hasn't responded yet! Who knows! He could disprove all that research with a Zelaron post!

Science and research are irrelevant when we have Bible Codes!

[Sovereign]

And I bet you he saw that post coming.

[Demosthenes]

Of course he would have. It's prophecy! The Bible Codes would have predicted it!

[JRwakebord]

Do they also predict that this thread has gone on WAY TOO FUCKING LONG??!?!

[Demosthenes]

Pfft. They predict everything. They most certainly have, although the newest prophecy is that Grav will gain 30 pounds this summer.

[Kaneda]

You can't win a debate by simply ignoring the questions.

[Grav]

Science and research are irrelevant when we have the Bible!
Quoted for false

[Demosthenes]

Quoted for false

Quoted for misquotation.