masterchief vs ganondorf

[KaMiOfFaLsEhOpE]

to well known male videogame charecters so who do you think would win. I personaly think master chief would lose. Cuz ganondorf is awesome strong and has cool moves.

[Kaneda]

It all depends on where they are fighting. You have give them a setting. Master chief would win if he had ready access to weapons, cause Gannon is a relativly slow character, although I'm not sure how well the chief would do considering he can't dodge roll like Link, which helps to escape his magic balls of doom. But considering he has basically infinite life, he can just have time to let his shield recharge inbetween attacks, I think he would be ok.

[!King_Amazon!]

It also depends on whether you are talking about Halo 1 or Halo 2.

[KaMiOfFaLsEhOpE]

halo2 and a combat areana

[!King_Amazon!]

What weapons are available to master chief?

[Draco2003]

Master Chief would win hands down. He has so much more experience fighting and the Covenant's plasma weapons are like his "magic balls of doom". Master Chief, with any weapons, would smoke Ganondorf no problem for one main reason. Ganondorf has no armor whatsoever to block/defend against and guns. And I highly doubt that Ganondorf's sword will do anything to Master Chief if Plasma Swords barely work on him. The MJOLNIR armor is a masterpiece of human technology, and the Master Chief was trained to adapt to ANY kind of battle and use tactics from the military of his day, to tactics the Romans used way back when. He is a friggin' tactical genius and Ganondorf just has magic, and brute strength. His strength might hold up for awhile, but eventually, the chief would win this one. Ganondorf will have to stick to stomping fairy boys.

[Kaneda]

As I've said the Chief would win IMO, but your wrong on some points. Ya your right about the plasma sword barely working on him, exept for the fact that it can kill him in 1-2 hits?! The chief maybe a tatical genious but then again he's not exactly fighting a war here. But the basic jist of the fight would go as such, lets say they are fighting in Ivory tower. For the most part Gannon would float in the middle of the level maybe flying into one section or another to take some shots at Chief, maybe throw a magic punch or kick, in which the chief would take full on draining his shields and reatreat into a hallway or simply jump over turn around and blow Gannon a crater in his monsterous back w/ the shotty. Gannon would then probably try and pull some turn around slow low flying leg sweep, which the chief could just jump over again. Gannon would then go back to the middle and throw a few magic balls...That could end it there, but I doubt the chief would actually get hit, he'd proabably go get the sniper and then run around various corners shooting when Gannon loses track of him. Secondary weapon shotty. Done deal

[Raziel]

Technically, Ganondorf can't be beaten by Master Chief. If he transforms into Ganon, the only things that can do him damage are the Silver Arrows or the Master Sword. Guns and sweet armor can't beat that.

[Kaneda]

Hmm. I had forgot about that. Technically they're Light Arrows. Maybe the only thing's know to the Hyrulians legend that can beat him are Light Arrows and Master Sword probably cause those are the strongest thing in Links arsenal. Arrows hardly compare to bullets and plasma shots. No one has tried those...

[!King_Amazon!]

I think it's because they are imbued with "good" and Ganon is evil.

[Grav]

Everyone knows that "good" is in the fourth state of matter.

[Raziel]

Technically they're Light Arrows.

No, technically I was referring to the Silver Arrows. The only weapons in both the first and third games in the series that can do him harm are the Silver Arrows, not Light Arrows. They didn't become the Light Arrows until Ocarina of Time, and even those didn't actually do Ganon any harm.

Both weapons do him harm because of their magical properties. They are holy weapons, whereas a chain gun is not.

[Draco2003]

What if Master Chief was a priest? o_O Then he would have a holy chain gun. And what about Swiss cheese? It's "holy". But for reals, You pointed something out that would give Ganondorf the upper hand, but this thread is entitled Ganondorf vs Masterchief, so Ganon would be cheating. (now you are gonna come out with some super logical, can't-believe-I-didn't-think-of-it-first, type comeback and make me look stupid) So, to save you the trouble, I admit that....MASTER CHIEF WOULD RUN LIKE A BAT OUTTA HELL TO TRY TO FIND SOME COVER!!!!o_O o_O o_O


just kidding....dont' hurt me....too bad....

[Raziel]

Nobody ever specified what abilities he has and which ones he doesn't. If he transforms into Ganon, he's still the same guy, he's just more powerful. It's one of his abilities, just like Master Chief using weapons from both Halo 1 and 2 at the same time.

[!King_Amazon!]

I would think if his name changes he would no longer be Ganondorf. Just my opinion.

[!King_Amazon!]

For example, do you call a catertpillar a caterpillar after it turns into a butterfly? If it could turn back into a caterpillar I would say it's far to call it a caterpillar after it turns into a butterfly.

Can Ganondorf turn back into Ganondorf after he turns into Ganon?

[Raziel]

Yes, as is evidenced by the end of Ocarina of Time. After you lay the smack down on Ganon, Ganondorf is back in his weird desert garb, floating in limbo cursing Link's name. It's not a permanent change.

[Draco2003]

Some similar examples are Super sayians or the giant monkeys from the DBZ universe, or Sesshomaru into his true demon form from the InuYasha series. Ganondorf-Ganon isn't actually an evolution, as say a butterfly or Pokemon, but a transformation. He is actually Ganon, and transforms into Ganondorf to conceal his identity and power. It's a move most Bad Guys do because they think that thier weaker, less powerful, more human appearance can defeat the Hero. When they realize that they are losing, they transform to let loose their ultimate power. During the time of transformation, the Hero just stares, and waits. Evolution is when the Bad Guy is powerful enough to get a better body that shows his power and allows for futher development. This is irreversible, as I said, the most common and well known example would be Pokemon or as !King_Amazon! said, a butterfly. Since Ganondorf and Ganon are actually the same person, both physically and spiritually, Ganon transformation is allowed. Wasn't he in a previous battle that this was a problem in?

Anyways, if Ganondorf does transform, then Master chief would have a bit of a problem on his hands. If he can kill Ganondorf before he transforms, then he has it bagged. This is a very close battle, but I could see Ganon/Ganondorf winning this just as easily as Master Chief.

[Kaneda]

I'm prettys sure it's called a transformation and not evolution when a caterpillar changes into a butterfly. But you were right on w/ the Sayian still being a sayian wether he's in monkey form or not.

[Grav]

Ganondorf wins because he can turn into CANNONdorf and own everyone with his balls of magic powder +5.

[Kaneda]

Are you insinuating that his name after transformation is Cannon?

[Grav]

It's not Cannon, but it is Canon. (Ha ha ha, good pun)

[Raziel]

He is actually Ganon, and transforms into Ganondorf to conceal his identity and power.

Completely untrue. He started as Ganondorf, leader of the Gerudo tribe. After taking possession of the Triforce of Power, he gained the ability to become Ganon, the physical demonic manifestation of his personality and desires. He is greedy and self-serving, wanting only to provide for his own being. Therefore, becoming a warthog-like monster fits his personality perfectly. He was born as Ganondorf, he earned the ability to become Ganon later.

Seriously, I have no idea where the hell you got that from. There's not a single game in the series that suggests what you just said.

[Kaneda]

All I know is on the A Link To the Past (GB) he was called Ganon/Gannon?...before any Ganondorf. Although I was like 6 when I beat that...

[Raziel]

Chronologically, Ocarina of Time is the first game in the series. It was released a decade after the original game, but it's where the entire plot starts from, nonetheless.

The games chronologically follow this order:

Ocarina of Time
Majora's Mask
Oracle of Ages
Oracle of Seasons
Wind Waker
The Minish Cap
Four Swords
Four Swords Adventures
A Link to the Past
Link's Awakening
The Legend of Zelda
The Adventure of Link

[Kaneda]

THATS CRAAZY. They just kept going back as they made them. Although w/ some of the games it doesn't really seem like they tie in at all. I mean ya all the story lines are the same basic thing, but like in Wind Waker your not even playing Link.

[Raziel]

Uhh...yes you are. Who do you think you're playing as, "Bob"?

It's not the same Link in every game There are at least five different Links and five different Zeldas throughout the entire series. Link and Zelda are reborn every few-hundred years to counteract the re-emergence of Ganon (it is the same Ganon in every game, however). Here's how it works.

Link #1

Ocarina of Time
Majora's Mask
Oracle of Ages
Oracle of Seasons


Link #2

Wind Waker
Minish Cap (speculation, at this point)


Link #3

Four Swords
Four Swords Adventures


Link #4

A Link to the Past
Link's Awakening


Link #5

The Legend of Zelda
The Adventure of Link

So, like I said, there are at least five of them. The Link from Oracle of Ages and Seasons might not be the same as the kid from OOT and MM, and the Link from Minish Cap might not be the Wind Waker kid. On top of that, the Link starring in the new game (coming out this winter) might be an entirely new Link. So, there is a minimum of five and a maximum of eight.

Shigeru Miyamoto, Satoru Iwata and Mr. Aonuma (the director of the last few Zelda games) have confirmed the multiple-Link/Zelda theory. It's because they are tied to the Triforce. Ganon has the Triforce of Power, Zelda has the Triforce of Wisdom and Link has the Triforce of Courage. As long as one of those "avatars" remains alive and kicking, so will the other two in order to maintain balance. So, every few hundred years, when Ganon re-emerges from exlie/slumber/limbo, Link and Zelda are reborn ahead of time in order to counteract his return.

This entire process began in Ocarina of Time, when Ganondorf attempted to take possession of the Triforce. His mind and spirit were not in proper balance when he touched the Triforce, therefore, it split into it's three individual parts. Ganon recieved the piece that he was most in tune with (that being Power), while the other two pieces sought out their most worthy possessors in Hyrule (Zelda being the avatar of Wisdom and Link being the avatar of Courage). Since then, the souls of Link and Zelda have been permanently fused with their respective Triforce peices. There will always be a Link and Zelda.

So, no, you are completely incorrect. Link is Link, regardless of the way he looks. You play as Link in every game, and despite differences in appearance, it's always the same guy.

[Kaneda]

Hm, good explanation. I just assumed it wasn't Link cause they tell the story of Link. But you cleared it up.