PSP Official News!

[Tyrannicide]

That's right boys, the PSP is in competition with the DS!

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/10/27/news_6111570.html <---News right up.

Basic pack is $185 (appr)
Advanced pack is $232 (appr) but includes Memory stick, headphones with audio controls, Battery pack.

Of course you can buy all these extra's seperately.

Here are some screens of the handheld. http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/10/27/screens_6111570.html?page=1


The DS has just been FUCKED.

[Sovereign]

The DS has just been FUCKED.

Not really.

I'm still going to buy the DS over this.

[kockblocker1]

Depends what the US game lineup looks like. I will not buy either until there is a proven worthwhile game for them. I only got my GBA after I tried Advance Wars. An updated awesome game like that could persuade me to buy.

[-=Rico-GP=-]

Holy shit that thing is huge.

[Grav]

That thing is balls, rofl.

[Raziel]

Have I not explained in quite thorough detail why the DS is most certainly not fucked in this situation? It's still $240 for the actual package (who's going to buy this thing without a memory stick?!) and the game selection is going to be nothing but ports.

Being priced 60 bucks lower than most people were expecting makes no difference. Plus, those aren't even the North American MSRPs. Those are conversions based on the Japanese numbers. The basic package will either be equal to the amount or more expensive when it reaches America.

The PSP has fucked itself, compadre.

[Sovereign]

Also note that the release date, IN AMERICA for the ds is at 11/22 atm (www.gamestop.com). The psp is is being released in JAPAN ONLY on 12/12. Who knows how long until a us debut (less they said in that article, I didn't really care to read it).

[Raziel]

Sony will probably hold off on the American release until the summer. Their only hope is to catch the kids who are filling up employment slots all over the country and lure them into a buying frenzy. That's still not the prime season for a hardware release, and the sales will suffer because of it.

On top of that, if Sony waits that long, Nintendo will have had 6 months to sell the DS at $150 apiece. By that point, they'll probably be ready to drop the price, making that $240 pricetag on the PSP look ridiculous by comparison.

[-=Rico-GP=-]

Do they list the dimensions on that thing anywhere?
Someone wanna tell me please?

[Grav]

Big x Large x Wide.

[Raziel]

I want to see sources on that, Grav.

[Grav]

www.poopsex.com

[Raziel]

Those dimensions are a lot...browner than I thought they'd be...

[Senesia]

Approximately 170mm (W) x 23mm (H) x 74mm (D)

http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/pdf/041027ae.pdf

[D3V]

I'm so excited about this. The PSP is so much better than the DS in many aspects that it's not even funny. The Touch screen is a joke, it's so hard to play with it. I played Mario 64x4 and some Metriod Demo and it's crap. The dual screen option is nice, but it's small. The psp's graphics alone and newly lowered price are much more marketable.

[iceman887]

yah i like the bigger screen rather than 2 small screens

[Hades-Knight]

this guy in my class was playing super mario 64x4 in his ds.......how lame is having to hit the fuckign screen to play...touch screen is good for some things but not for gaming, anyway as always nintendo's lineup is just kiddy games as usual.

[Raziel]

You guys are pathetic. You resurrect a month-dead PSP thread to flame the DS.

Small penis syndrome, anybody?

By the way, one million DS pre-orders in America and two-million pre-orders in Japan = ownage.

[D3V]

Wow 3 million nintendophiliaks.

The game lineup is just like it was for GAMEBOY. And Gameboy advance, and Gameboy SP, and it just keeps going and going and going.

The touch screen is horrible, and you have to use that stupid ass pen if you want any precise shots or pushes, and holding a pen and controlling everything else with your other hand gets old and pissy. The DS is a bust.

Yes Raziel, I believe you have SPS......

[Raziel]

Wow 3 million nintendophiliaks.

Yep. 3 million pre-orders. That's not even the units that have been sold directly over the counter, because most retail outlets like EB and Gamestop sold out of their pre-order stock within 24 hours of opening the order channels. In Japan, Nintendo has had to contract a third manufacturing plant to start cranking out DS units because they can't keep up with consumer demand.


The game lineup is just like it was for GAMEBOY. And Gameboy advance, and Gameboy SP, and it just keeps going and going and going.

Funny, I don't recall seeing 3D, touchscreen-based Mario or Metroid games on the Gameboy Advance at any point. I must be going crazy. However, I have already seen all of the ports and rehashes that Sony is using to launch their handheld with.


The touch screen is horrible, and you have to use that stupid ass pen if you want any precise shots or pushes, and holding a pen and controlling everything else with your other hand gets old and pissy.

No you don't. You can use your bare thumb or the thumb-strap included with the system. Actually, using either is far more accurate than using the stylus, and it allows you to hold the system with both hands. Nice try, moron. It's not Nintendo's fault that you suck at something as simple as touching a screen with your finger.


The DS is a bust.

Yep. 3 million pre-orders = "bust".


Yes Raziel, I believe you have SPS......

I've got a GBA SP and a Nintendo DS. The tiny dick is all yours, buddy. Remember, you are the one who went and digged up a month-dead PSP thread to flame the DS. I'm just laughing at your pathetic attempts to justify it.

[D3V]

For one, I never said I couldn't use the Touch-screen, it was just annoying trying to play Metriod with it. The thumb-thing wasn't there.

As I recall, the Gameboy Advance games WERE IN 3-D.

Tiny Dick? Is that a flame ! OMG!

Like I've said before, i'll repeat it again in this thread. If I were 7 Years old, and in love with Mario, I'd want a DS. I want a more mature type of gameplay, and that cannot be delivered with the DS. All of their games are focused towards the 7-12 age category. While on the other hand, the PSP is exploding onto the market for the older 17-23 age group.

With the PSP's new lowered price, the capability to watch movies on it, pop on any of your USB ports into it, the PSP is Amazing for the price that it is, the DS is just another pathetic spin-off of Nintendo's before failures.

[Slim]

Nintendo's before failures.
Name one of them that failed.

[D3V]

Well I guess the biggest System failure, would have to be the SNES. And mainly because of how shitty they marketed it, and when they released it. And overall it sucked.

[Raziel]

For one, I never said I couldn't use the Touch-screen, it was just annoying trying to play Metriod with it. The thumb-thing wasn't there.

It's certainly a hell of a lot more intuitive than Sony's "analog nub" on the PSP. The thing is the size of a dime and is positioned at the very bottom of the unit. Sounds like comfort-city to me! You try playing an FPS like that! The DS offers the only non-PC FPS play scheme that even compares to the mouse/keyboard setup. The PSP doesn't offer that. It offers a d-pad and a poorly-placed analog nub.


As I recall, the Gameboy Advance games WERE IN 3-D.

Oh Lord Jesus in Heaven, D3V you cannot truly be this ignorant, right? RIGHT?

This is a list of all games released at the GBA's launch:

Castlevania: Circle of the Moon
F-Zero: Maximum Velocity
Konami Krazy Racers
Rayman Advance
Super Mario Advance
Fire Pro Wrestling
Chu Chu Rocket
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2

All of those games were 2D, as is 99% of the GBA's total library. You have no idea what you're talking about, do you?


Like I've said before, i'll repeat it again in this thread. If I were 7 Years old, and in love with Mario, I'd want a DS. I want a more mature type of gameplay, and that cannot be delivered with the DS. All of their games are focused towards the 7-12 age category. While on the other hand, the PSP is exploding onto the market for the older 17-23 age group.

Oh my God, you sound like the worst PR man in history. "The PSP is exploding onto the market..." God Almighty.


With the PSP's new lowered price, the capability to watch movies on it, pop on any of your USB ports into it, the PSP is Amazing for the price that it is, the DS is just another pathetic spin-off of Nintendo's before failures.

...

Seriously, you just pull this stuff out of thin air, don't you? The PSP's American MSRP hasn't even been announced yet. The $189.00 pricetag is a conversion based on the Japanese MSRP. The thing is going to cost $199.00 when it comes overseas, and that doesn't include a memory card. With the memory card included, that rockets the price closer to $230.00 US. That's almost $100 more than the DS!

On top of that, you're not even factoring in battery-life, disc read errors or overheating. It's a disc-based system, D3V. How much bumping around in your pocket do you think the thing can take before it stops reading discs altogether? How long do you think you can possibly play it before it starts burning your hands because of the lack of ventilation and moving parts causing heat buildup? How long do you think the battery can take high-graphic titles like Metal Gear Ac!d before it drains itself completely?

The answer is: not much. At the recent TGS Gamers Summit, event staffers reported that Sony's PSP personnel were replacing dead batteries every two hours. The DS gets ten hours of battery life.

The thing is disc-based, so DRE's and overheating are an absolute given. Parts will eventually fuse together and wear down and it will stop reading those nifty little discs completely. The DS is cart-based, so overheating and DRE malfunctions aren't even an issue.

Well I guess the biggest System failure, would have to be the SNES. And mainly because of how shitty they marketed it, and when they released it. And overall it sucked.

Okay, now that was just sheer idiocy. The SNES beat out the Genesis by the end of the 16-bit era, my friend. It's one of the highest-selling and most critically acclaimed consoles of all time. It beat out the Atari Jaguar, the NeoGeo, the 3DO, the Turbografix-16 and the Sega Genesis/CD/32X. All of those (except for the standard Genesis) were technologically superior to the Super Nintendo, and it destroyed them in overall sales numbers and recognition.

Do you just plug your ears and make all this shit up as you go? All you do is squawk the same inane bullshit over, and over and over again. You never have anything new to spout other than your tired "the PSP is exploding onto the scene!" commentary. Come back and talk to me after you stop ingesting drain cleaner. Maybe then you'll be able to formulate a decent argument.

[D3V]

Well the one game that I have with GBA is Mario Kart. I figured they were all in 3-d.

[Raziel]

Well the one game that I have with GBA is Mario Kart. I figured they were all in 3-d.

Mario Kart: Super Circuit isn't even 3D. It's uses a Mode 7 2D graphics engine, like the original F-Zero and the original Pilotwings.

[D3V]

Oh well, whatever.

All that matters is the amazing Graphics the PSP uses.

[Medieval Bob]

Well, Nintendo does have one horrible blemish.

Bring in the Virtual Boy.

Other than that, however, there's absolutely zero backing of the idea that Nintendo has had any system that has done even slightly poorly, much less failed.

[Raziel]

All that matters is the amazing Graphics the PSP uses.

...and the fact that the lithium-ion battery used to power the PSP will only be able to handle those graphics for two hours per charge.


Well, Nintendo does have one horrible blemish.

Bring in the Virtual Boy.

Other than that, however, there's absolutely zero backing of the idea that Nintendo has had any system that has done even slightly poorly, much less failed.

The fact that both Ninento of America and Nintendo of Japan have seen an overwhelmingly larger pre-order rush than they expected, before Tnanksgiving, is a sign that the DS will not suffer the same fate.

[!King_Amazon!]

Gameboy:Genesis
Nintendo DS:Sony PSP

[-=Rico-GP=-]

You make me want to go out and buy a DS...

[Raziel]

It's an extremely nice piece of hardware, and the gaming possibilities on it are completely unique to the system. If you're looking for a fresh gaming experience, grab a DS.

[-=Rico-GP=-]

Sounds good.

Now close this shit up before D3V gets back in here...

[kaos]

I might just get up and decide to buy one!

http://www.konsolifin.net/ylli/upload/uutiset/gba/1076557487_Nintendo_BS.jpg

[Raziel]

I almost died laughing the first time I saw that pic.

[!King_Amazon!]

I'd buy one of those.

If I had 4000 bucks.

[Randuin]

The fact is, if I was to buy either of them, it'd be a PSP.

I already have a memory stick, so the advanced pack is no use to me. I can use the memory stick between my cell phone and this, great! Plus, I really have no interest in all the games in DS. The stats on the PSP is pretty much equivilent(sp?) to the PS2. Allowing it to play the PS2 games that already look so much kick ass. I really can't ask for anything else! PSP!

[Tyrannicide]

Finally, someone else is on D3V's and my side.

Im getting sick of all the nintendo handhelds coming out. It took Nintendo too long to get the system right. The GBA was the first in this case, the positioning of the hands and the wide screen was great, than they wen tback to the fucking annoying way on the GBA SP. Big hands with the GB, GB color, GB pocket never allowed for easy use with the handhelds and on the GBA the handheld was finally decent enough. It took Nintendo that long to get it right and Sony is on there first try and they already got it right. Plus the nice wide screen, analog pad, the battery that is going to last longer than 2 hours but the n fan is bashing the PSP in any way possible. The battery length will depend on the game and the fact that if im in a vehicle using the PSP, I tend to use the car adapter or when im in the house I will use the AC adapter. Anywheres else I can use the battery pack. I dcant play a handheld game for 2 hours anywayz, its hard for me to stare at a small device no matter what it is. SO battery life is a non factor for me. All the games being released are games I want newayz, so its best for me to get the handheld version and play them newheres. Its not a big deal dishing out $100 dollars more for a handheld thats worth more than the DS. I would oly buy the DS if it cost $75 if no new PSP games were released at the time.

[-=Rico-GP=-]

Did you ever consider they got it right on the first try (not saying they did) because they looked at what nintendo did?

It's all about preference... You want to spend more money on quality its up to you. But considering nintendo's track record with reliability im going to have to go with the DS on this one.

[!King_Amazon!]

What the hell do you mean by reliability?

I've got plenty of nintendo products and I've never worried about them being reliable. I do believe the gamegear was pretty amazing compared to the gameboy. I've NEVER been a gameboy fan, the screens suck and the games suck. Now, I'm not bashing Nintendo, the SNES is the most genius system ever made, and until something else earth shattering comes out, it will always be my favorite.

Until I see a worthwile reason to get the DS, I'm not going to bother with it. I never got a gameboy advanced, I've never really even cared for handhelds, but the PSP looks pretty badass, and even though it has a pretty big pricetag it seems worth it.

[Sovereign]

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=1095432812044&skuId=6885454&productCategoryId=cat02164&type=product

It's cheaper, does the same thing, doesnt require batteries, lasts for more then 2 hours, and can be hooked up to any sized tv screen.

[-=Rico-GP=-]

Gamegear weighed more than i did at the time i played it.

I'm just saying that nintendo has a better history of... well you know...

[Raziel]

Im getting sick of all the nintendo handhelds coming out. It took Nintendo too long to get the system right.

Really? I'm pretty sure they got it right from the start. That's why it's the only portable in history to have dominated the last 15 years in the market against superior pieces of technology. The Gameboy Advance alone has sold more units worldwide than all three home consoles combined.

That's supposed to be wrong?

The GBA was the first in this case, the positioning of the hands and the wide screen was great, than they wen tback to the fucking annoying way on the GBA SP. Big hands with the GB, GB color, GB pocket never allowed for easy use with the handhelds and on the GBA the handheld was finally decent enough.

My drummer owns an SP, plays it regularly and his hands are roughly the size of Texas. He never complains about the size of his GameBoy. I think you just like to whine.

It took Nintendo that long to get it right and Sony is on there first try and they already got it right. Plus the nice wide screen, analog pad, the battery that is going to last longer than 2 hours but the n fan is bashing the PSP in any way possible.

The screen is too wide. Have you seen videos of anyone actually playing it? Their fingers slip all over the screen as they're playing.

That analog pad is the worst compromise for a joystick I have ever seen. It's positioned horribly, and it moves parallel to the surface of the screen, which means that it's supported by a jointed arm. That means two very serious issues.

1) Barely any spring resistance. You'll be overstraining the joint constantly because you can't work a very powerful spring into a pad so small.

2) Constant breaks. People are going to be sending their PSPs back by the droves because of broken analog pads. Plastic joints can only take so much punishment.

And in regards to the battery life, I've been reading articles constantly since the announcement of both handhelds, and in many of them, the general consensus is that for graphics-intensive games or titles that require a lot of data streaming, the battery life is between 90 minutes and 2 hours. When playing movies, the battery is 2 hours flat. TGS event staff have confirmed this, Hideo Kojima has said this and even Sony representatives have made mention of it.


What the hell do you mean by reliability?

Nintendo products can be shot out of a cannon and still function properly. It's common knowledge. The same can't be said for a PS2.

I've got plenty of nintendo products and I've never worried about them being reliable.

That's because you don't need to worry.

I do believe the gamegear was pretty amazing compared to the gameboy.

It had superior graphics, backlighting and superior audio. It also cost about $100 more and the battery life was about 4 hours. It was technologically superior, but the battery life, unit weight and extra cost killed it.

I've never really even cared for handhelds, but the PSP looks pretty badass, and even though it has a pretty big pricetag it seems worth it.

The PSP isn't the uber-multimedia device Sony wants it to be. The battery will get you through maybe a single movie before it dies, the memory stick will hold maybe five to ten mp3s and the game selection will be 60% ports. On top of that, you're going to be dealing with DRE malfaunctions and constant overheating because of the disc-based format. You're going to be spending more than just an extra $50 to $100 on the thing because of having to pay for constant replacements and repairs.

I'd just buy a PS2, personally. What's the point of owning a portable when you can't really even leave home with it and the game selection is exactly the same as it's console counterpart?

[D3V]

Nintendo has dominated the handheld market because they're the only ones who are willing to dump enough money into something that isn't going to bring that much back.

Consoles and their games sell much better, and at higher prices, no use in trying to keep making newer versions of the gameboy to keep people playing, it's pathetic.

Psp owns all.

[Nothing]

Well, first off, I'd like to say that you are all fucking fanboys. :P Every one of ya.

I'd like to start off with warning you that this is going to be a little more long-winded than any of you might care for. But I'd rather tell you all where I'm coming for before I throw my two cents in this obviously heated discussion.

I could probably call myself a sony fanboy. I bought the Playstation and Playstation 2. Neither one of them has disapointed me as far as games. I tend to favor things like Metal Gear Solid, Silent Hill, the Resident Evil Series, teh Final Fantasy series (not much for the oldies, at least not yet) and so forth, so there you go.

I don't really have much experience with the Nintendo systems at all. Im not an old scool gamer, and I don't ever buy more than one system. The guy next door to me had a N64, I wasn't really impressed with any of the games he had. I've never been interested in Mario, and I everything else i've heard about are FPS games and Platformers, which really aren't genre's I take well too.

Im thinking about buying a gamecube, which would be a not-so-risky investment for even someone accustomed to Sony systems. The System is cheaper now, and I want the two remakes it has for Resident Evil and Metal Gear Solid. Im more of a game-fanboy than a console fanboy. That, and getting a Nintendo system would give me my own perspective of how Nintendo games are, I can play highly acclaimed games like the Zelda series and Metroid Prime and size them up to everything else i've played. I don't think i'll be trying out LUigi's Mansion though.

Now, to talk about what this discussion is really, about. The Handhelds.

I've had people tell me how great the DS is going to be, and I got to tell you, I wasn't buying it. I hadn't heard enough about the PSP yet anyways to really take sides on that issue anyways. Then I saw this thread, and realized that the PSP has no games that im interested in.

The battery thing isn't even a concern for me. I was actaully surprised to hear that the Game Gear had the same promblem (if that's really true, I dont know, or care.) I geuss I never sat their four hours straight and played it. I liked it though, Sonic Spinball was awesome, and I was a little weirded out that it took Nintendo so long to come out with color.

And forget all that mumbo-jumbo with the size and buttons and touch pads and what not. Im not that detailed. I participated in a sicussion with Raziel once over anolog sticks VS the N64's joystick, but that's only because I was bored and had nothing else to talk about. I don't give a damn about those things. A controller would have to be pretty damn poorly designed for me to really give a shit.


If there is a hand-held system im buying, it's the DS. I care about the games, I follow the system that has games that interest me. It's the reason I got the PS and PS2, and it's probably going to provoke me to buy this little handheld system. Xenosaga and FInal Fantasy, that's all that I got to say.

[Raziel]

I'm just stating the truth, Death (I can only assume it's you). D3V's the one making the unjustified attacks here...like he always seems to enjoy doing.

Nintendo has dominated the handheld market because they're the only ones who are willing to dump enough money into something that isn't going to bring that much back.

Psp owns all.


So, handhelds are a waste of money, but the PSP owns all?

D3V, you're a moron.

Consoles and their games sell much better

Well, I've actually managed to track down the NPD worlwide life-to-date sales numbers. Here you go.

Worldwide
PlayStation 2 – 68,288,961
Xbox – 16,130,277
GameCube – 15,218,771
Game Boy Advance – 52,584,313

The statements I've heard in the past regarding the sales of the GBA were off, I admit. However, GBA sales do equal to nearly twice the amount of both worldwide GCN and XBox numbers combined.

That said, you're a moron for thinking that consoles invariably sell better than handhelds. The GBA's worldwide sales numbers are nearly equal to that of the PS2's.

And here are the November sales numbers, for the record.

Xbox = 746,000
PS2 = 694,000
GCN = 350,000
GBA = 1,323,000

Just last month, the GBA sold through nearly double the number of units that the PS2 did. You still think that handhelds sell worse than consoles, D3V?

[Randuin]

So we've established the fact that the GameCube was a failure?

[Raziel]

Then technically the XBox is a failure as well. It's only leading the GCN by 900,000 units worldwide. That's less than the population of Idaho. Also, take into consideration that Nintendo has been making a profit on all hardware and software sales since the launch. Microsoft has been losing money on hardware sales since the XBox launched.

The Gamecube is hardly a failure. It's just not the freakish monstrosity of a success that the PS2 is.

[Randuin]

And that same success will probably carry on over to the PSP...

Why am I still up at this hour?

[Raziel]

And that same success will probably carry on over to the PSP...

That remains to be seen. History dictates otherwise.

[osmoses-jones]

stop arguing until psp comes out in north america then we see who is better.

[Raziel]

stop arguing until psp comes out in north america then we see who is better.

Where did I say that the PSP is worse than the DS? Nowhere. All I said was that history illustrates a tough uphill climb for the PSP if it has aspirations of becoming the dominant handheld.

Simmer down, Turbo.

[Nothing]

I'm just stating the truth, Death (I can only assume it's you). D3V's the one making the unjustified attacks here...like he always seems to enjoy doing.

Assumption is the mother of all fuck-ups. Yeah, it's me. I was bored as hell.

The first line in my post is more of a joke than an acusation.

Worldwide
PlayStation 2 – 68,288,961
Xbox – 16,130,277
GameCube – 15,218,771
Game Boy Advance – 52,584,313

I dind't realize the Xbox was doing that badly when compared to the PS2. That makes me smile. I've kinda held a grudge against Microsoft every since they bought out the Mechwarrior series and then bastardized it.

Xbox = 746,000
PS2 = 694,000
GCN = 350,000
GBA = 1,323,000

First of all, I'd like to say, that's a lot of units in one month. For the gamecube alone, that would be more than ten thousand units a day.

Second of all, im geussing that this isn't the "average" month for the videogame industry, either that, or the tide is shifting. I rather it be the former.

As ar as GBA sales go, im not really surprised. Those things cost almost as much as a console. Being portable has it's advantages, especially for teenagers, the majority of which seem to spend more time elsewhere than home. I've seen a lot of people take their handhelds to school.

And lets face it, electronics are reversed from everything else. Meaning that being smaller is sexier and cooler.

heheh 8---->

I just got one of them small PS2's for Christmas. Boy does it look better than the bigger one. It's no handheld, but this will save a lot of room on my desk.

[Dar_Win]

dude thats HUGE! But gona be awesome i bet!

Why is it that the Japs. get everything before us?

[Hades-Knight]

usual gameboy lineup:

Mario
Mario kart
Warrio
Warrio Anus land
Luigi the homo pizza guy
Yoshi shit
Stupid RPgs ( in 2d which is even worse)
racing games in which the cars are shit and dont even crash
FPS that doesnt have blood, just cute creatures


seriously raziel, just accept it, nintendo will always be aimed at younger kids, if i was 8 years old i would KILL for a DS but since thats not the case I want a PSP because it is just more than a kiddy gaming syste, yes it may cost more, but thats your whole argument

[Tyrannicide]

Lets see. Sony's main HQ's is in Japan, hence the reason they get everything first. They manufactuare all the consoles in Japan.

H-K summed it up nicely. The PSP has some sweet games for it.

[Sovereign]

It doesn't HAVE to be mature theamed to be fun. What is it with you people and needing to play games whos only plot is to kill things.

[Raziel]

usual gameboy lineup:

Mario
Mario kart
Warrio
Warrio Anus land
Luigi the homo pizza guy
Yoshi shit
Stupid RPgs ( in 2d which is even worse)
racing games in which the cars are shit and dont even crash
FPS that doesnt have blood, just cute creatures


seriously raziel, just accept it, nintendo will always be aimed at younger kids, if i was 8 years old i would KILL for a DS but since thats not the case I want a PSP because it is just more than a kiddy gaming syste, yes it may cost more, but thats your whole argument

H-K, go to IGN and do a PS2 game search on titles rated "E". Then do one for titles rated "E" on Gamecube. There are a substantially greater number of "Kiddie" games on Playstation 2 than there are on Gamecube. So, in terms of percentages, Sony licenses just as many "kiddie" games every year as Nintendo does.

On top of that, every game you listed in that brilliant analysis of yours is guaranteed to be awesome. The WarioWare games are far too difficult for any child to overcome, the RPG selection is far too intricate or difficult for a kid to beat, and the 2D Mario Kart games are much too difficult for the likes of you.

I'm going to remind you that you're a blabbering moron now, and I want you to pay attention to it, because you practically begged me to do so.

The fact that a game doesn't contain gore, violence, profanity or sexual innuendo does not make it a bad game. The fact that you seem incapable of enjoying anything that doesn't contain those elements is just more proof that you are an insecure, self-hating, tiny-dicked floptard that can only seem to make up for his stunning lack of intellect and personality based upon how much he can bench press and how violent his videogames are. The fact that you feel the nearly constant urge to express your distaste for a company that doesn't even know you exist is just more proof of the fact that you're a hopeless dweeb with no self-esteem and barely enough brainpower to tie his shoes in the morning.

Hades, give it a fucking rest. You've been squawking the same "N1NT3ND0 1S teh K1DD13!!!1!1" bullshit for almost three years now, and it's just become tiresome at this point. It was actually cute a long time ago, because it reminded me of a four-year-old trying to act tough. Now it's just become an eyesore. Just give it a rest. We know you hate Nintendo. If constantly reiterating that point is what it takes for you to feel better about your emotional and physical shortcomings, go do it somewhere else.

From now on, if I see shit like this in any of my forums, I'm splitting it and moving it into a single thread in the Flame Forum. I'm just tired of hearing you repeat the same half-witted, antagonistic crap over, and over, and over again. Three years is far too damned long for you to go without coming up with some new material.

The End.

[Hades-Knight]

Actually I used to love nintendo.....specially Zelda, but thats about all nintendo has to offer.


I wouldn't want to buy a system in which all games that come out are the same shit over and over, and when they are done releasing the new version of every fucking game they go like "Wanna be teh harcore yo? THEN PLAY ATARI 2600 GAME SIN YOUR NINTENDO DS, FUCK YEAH!" and proceed to make games thatw e all played when we were like 5.

Im done with this thread, you don't want to accept the fact that even though Nintendo does have the same lineup as Sony and Microsoft for their consoles, only nintendo will keep making kiddie games, be it for their DS, GBA or Console.

Why do you think Gamecube is the suckiest of the consoles?

Game systems are just as good as the games created for them.

[Raziel]

There are no "facts" to accept, Hades. You show me a fucking child that can beat Super Mario Sunshine, and I'll show you a kid with gaming skills equivalent to that of an adult.

Your "kiddie" arguments mean precisely dick. You just can't be bothered to play a game that contains no vulgarity or gore because you don't want your weightlifting streetracer friends mocking the shit out of you for it. You rag on Nintendo not because of the quality of the games, but because it's the "cool" thing to do nowadays. You're pathetic.