Death Toll Passes 1000 ....

[D3V]

Horrible news to hear. A pointless war, gone worse. And for what? Weapons of Mass Destruction Bush had proclaimed Iraq has. Have we found any? No. bush says "Even though we haven't found a stock pile of WMD's like we thought, at least we liberated them from Saddam". Funny thing is, now that Saddam is out of office and in our custody, we're NOT going to find any WMDs, and our people are being killed for no GODDAMN REASON, why are we still in war?

http://miva.sctimes.com/miva/cgi-bin/miva?CMN/Local/read.mv+20040908040656+1+

I just think this is reason why we should not re-elect BUSH. Bush is a horrible leader, look how he led us into a war with no cause. Look how he broken ties with many foreign leaders who used to be our allies, Look how much hatred of the UNited States has come about since 2000. It's pathetic, and now we've lost 1,000 Troops in the poorly planned, poorly executed war, called "Iraqi Freedom" ... pathetic.

1,000 People, friends of yours, mine. This is a national tragety. We had roughly 2,800 die in the World Trade center attacks. How pathetic is that, we're at 1,000 in a 3rd world country which has no problem with us before we destroyed it, and now that we have destroyed it, we have to rebuild it, which is costing us BILLIONS of dollars. The last number was at 380 Billion, 3-8-0 BILLION dollars. Exactly.

Bush your done, quit killing our nation.

[wilma]

For once i agree with you. Being Canadian, i was pissed at first that Canada was going to have no involvement in this war. That was mearly under the assumption that there were WMD's in Iraq. No that George's War has been exposed for the fraud it is, I'm happy for the first time with our governments passive attitude. Last i saw though, I saw Bush I believe with a double figure lead. I'm not American and so really don't care nor know all the facts about Kerry. I see any alternative to George bush as a good one.

Most of all i'm just watching all American politics going to hell. He's a lying son of a bitch, he never served in vietnam. I wuold just say get all new candidates as i'm sick of the crap i'm hearing about both.............. AND I LIVE IN FUCKING CANADA

If Bush is re elected, rather than shot for the two faced lying son of a bitch he is, gl to all Americans in the next four years. I just hope he stays south of the border :mad:

[Penny_Bags]

So we lost 1000 guys? How many have they lost? Looks like we are winning.

[==Nit5u4==]

Horrible news to hear. A pointless war, gone worse. And for what? Weapons of Mass Destruction Bush had proclaimed Iraq has. Have we found any? No. bush says "Even though we haven't found a stock pile of WMD's like we thought, at least we liberated them from Saddam". Funny thing is, now that Saddam is out of office and in our custody, we're NOT going to find any WMDs, and our people are being killed for no GODDAMN REASON, why are we still in war?

http://miva.sctimes.com/miva/cgi-bin/miva?CMN/Local/read.mv+20040908040656+1+

I just think this is reason why we should not re-elect BUSH. Bush is a horrible leader, look how he led us into a war with no cause. Look how he broken ties with many foreign leaders who used to be our allies, Look how much hatred of the UNited States has come about since 2000. It's pathetic, and now we've lost 1,000 Troops in the poorly planned, poorly executed war, called "Iraqi Freedom" ... pathetic.

1,000 People, friends of yours, mine. This is a national tragety. We had roughly 2,800 die in the World Trade center attacks. How pathetic is that, we're at 1,000 in a 3rd world country which has no problem with us before we destroyed it, and now that we have destroyed it, we have to rebuild it, which is costing us BILLIONS of dollars. The last number was at 380 Billion, 3-8-0 BILLION dollars. Exactly.

Bush your done, quit killing our nation. You fucking make me sick you liberal scum. Bush might have been wrong about the WMD'S but even better and WAY more important is the fact that he LIBERATED EVERY FUCKING IRAQI AND INNOCENT KURD IN IRAQ AND YET STILL YOU LIBERALS WHINE ABOUT WMD'S, YOU PEOPLE ARE SICK.

[Penny_Bags]

Did you know that liberals don't grow ball hair?

[==Nit5u4==]

Yeah i learned it on one of the various Micheal Moore is a stupid fat ugly white man sites.

[Demosthenes]

You fucking make me sick you liberal scum. Bush might have been wrong about the WMD'S but even better and WAY more important is the fact that he LIBERATED EVERY FUCKING IRAQI AND INNOCENT KURD IN IRAQ AND YET STILL YOU LIBERALS WHINE ABOUT WMD'S, YOU PEOPLE ARE SICK.

Was the price worth it, though? Do you think that the death of between 11000 and 13000 people was worth it? Do you think that the deaths of the 1000 American soldiers freeing Iraq from something that, obviously they didn't seem to mind that much anyway, was worth it? Don't believe me? Look it up. Gallup polls, late-March or early-April. Majority of Iraq would rather have Saddam than Bush. The statistics are all there, just not too wide-spread. Was it worth it? Would it be worth it if you lost a brother/father/mother/sister/son/daughter/uncle? Was it worth going to a war which most of the world and (don't know the exact numbers on this one) much of America didn't support, under a president that the majority of America didn't vote in? And when America did support the war, it was under the assumption that Iraq posed a major threat to us because of weapons of mass destruction? How would the real facts have swayed the public opinion of the war?

To me, it's not worth it. I'm not going to even attempt to sway your opinion, because I've learned that people are damned stubborn in what they believe, but if I was ever called to fight in this war, for whatever reason, you wouldn't find me there. If you offered me a position as general in this war, you wouldn't find me there. I sure as hell am not going to fight for something I don't believe in, and I refuse to vote for a president that is going to continue doing something where the negatives and losses heavily outweigh the positives, in my opinion.

[Mantralord]

What I want is to have real wars again...none of this pussy "oh no 1000 soldiers died in some vague middle-east war BOOHOO" bullshit. I mean, a thousand? That's not even a decently high number. Back in World War 2, they somehow managed to have ~30 million people dead, and that's with the shitty technology they had back then. Cmon guys, with all the Geforce 6800's and shit we have nowadays, don't you think we can at least come up with a decent way to kill 20 times that much?

Now I just know there will be that person that will use the obvious "I hope you die too" comeback, so I will state right now that I've got my safety covered.

[D3V]

1,000 Lives lost for no Reason is ALOT. We've lost more than that, but that is just in Iraq.

Bush hasn't Liberated anybody you shitfaced cockmaster. Look at the polls over there, we are STILL hated by them. We fucking ruined their little lives over there, now they have to do what our troops say, and the suicide bombing are all over the place.

Since your stuck on Liberating people, how's about we go to China, I mean their govt. is Communist. Lets go over there and pick a fight with them... oh Thats right. We're the World's bullies, and we can only pick on smaller countries that have surplus oil.

Nit54U you are so uneducated on your 'opinions are just wanting to make me burst out in laughter, but I won't. Us democrats have to have something to laugh at, and your doing a bang-up job.

[w00t.ace]

all of you kerry people make me sick. saddam is like a little boy that had porn in his room, the mom thought she mighta seen something. so she asks if there is any. he says no. the next week she wants to check, he boards the doors and doesnt let her in to check. so she';s startin to get mad, so she starts yellin, saddam! if you dont get out of here right now! im goin to ground you for a month! saddam:NO, im a little frieking wuss that's too much of a kid to admit im hiding porn!, so the mom breaks down the door, and uses uv lights and finds traces of semen in his room(the stuff that could be used to make wmd) so they start a war, of course mom wins and mom knows best, she grounds him for a month.(yes, i know i did not have a metiphor for the people being killed in iraq) but come on, 1000 people is NOT alot, we lost more from a frieking aerial attack in pearl harbor! if kerry wins and pulls outta iraq, we would have those people dead for no frieking reason, we'll have spent money for NO reason, we have to keep going.

[Demosthenes]

all of you kerry people make me sick. saddam is like a little boy that had porn in his room, the mom thought she mighta seen something. so she asks if there is any. he says no. the next week she wants to check, he boards the doors and doesnt let her in to check. so she';s startin to get mad, so she starts yellin, saddam! if you dont get out of here right now! im goin to ground you for a month! saddam:NO, im a little frieking wuss that's too much of a kid to admit im hiding porn!, so the mom breaks down the door, and uses uv lights and finds traces of semen in his room(the stuff that could be used to make wmd) so they start a war, of course mom wins and mom knows best, she grounds him for a month.(yes, i know i did not have a metiphor for the people being killed in iraq) but come on, 1000 people is NOT alot, we lost more from a frieking aerial attack in pearl harbor! if kerry wins and pulls outta iraq, we would have those people dead for no frieking reason, we'll have spent money for NO reason, we have to keep going.

We have no right to play "mother," and even if we did, he was hiding no porn. And tell me 1000 people isn't a lot when you have a relative die. And it's not 1000 people dead, it's closer to 12,000 when you count Iraqis.

[Hades-Knight]

GG NO RE


I dont get why everything is such a big denial..its not like it really impacts your daily life.....

[MightyJoe]

We kinda are expected too. I mean we (the USA) is the only superpower left in the world, and we are called up when there is trouble. Also it Bush was told that there were WMD's in Iraq. Yes, we couldn't find it but it was faulty info, not completly Bush's fault.

Also during the first gulf war and before that, Saddam launched chemical and Biological attacks on his own people. During this gulf war 2, whatever it was called, we found none of this. Do you think that he actually got rid of all these weapons? Also the man was a danger to the Iraqies and they are now free. So that is accomplishing something.

By the way, when I go to vote, Bush will be getting mine, not some flip flopping pussy.

[Demosthenes]

We kinda are expected too. I mean we (the USA) is the only superpower left in the world, and we are called up when there is trouble. Also it Bush was told that there were WMD's in Iraq. Yes, we couldn't find it but it was faulty info, not completly Bush's fault.

Also during the first gulf war and before that, Saddam launched chemical and Biological attacks on his own people. During this gulf war 2, whatever it was called, we found none of this. Do you think that he actually got rid of all these weapons? Also the man was a danger to the Iraqies and they are now free. So that is accomplishing something.

By the way, when I go to vote, Bush will be getting mine, not some flip flopping pussy.

To each his own. But you have to think about it, the original colonists also employed biological weapons against the Indians. I don't quite understand why he needs to get rid of everything, when we are allowed to have the very same thing.

[D3V]

It's because we're Communists/Bullies. Thats how it works. We keep them in line, and when they question us, it's ok for us to destroy their countries and remove any form of government of theirs and replace it with ours.

[tokill.ace]

Guys c'mon lets get real here. Comparing time!

Kerry- Makes us "TRY" to make peace with them. What the FUCK do you think they'll do? They're terroists. Just think for one fucking second. Terriosts want to blow up the whole world. Will they really want to set peace? NO! They'll just keep blowing up part of the world bit by bit. Terriosts won't stop at any cause. What will Kerry do? Try to just visit them and ask politley, "Hey, you guys want to declare peace?" Dude, c'mon get real. The only way to stop this "war" is to eliminate them. Kerry won't do shit except maybe have sex with Edwards. Supposedly, all the women think that Edwards is hot? *sigh* He's goin in the wrong direction with this war. The terriosts will just laugh at him. Then the world will be done for for sure.

Bush- He'll try to eliminate all the terriosts or atleast most of it. If it takes lives, then its worth it. We are eliminating everyone who wants to destroy and offend the world. Sure, he might be a little off, but its 10 times better than Kerrys idea. Bush will lead to victory and honor. Kerry will lead to failure and destruction. Everyones going to die anyways, so mine as well make a GOOD difference in the world.

[Demosthenes]

Guys c'mon lets get real here. Comparing time!

Kerry- Makes us "TRY" to make peace with them. What the FUCK do you think they'll do? They're terroists. Just think for one fucking second. Terriosts want to blow up the whole world. Will they really want to set peace? NO! They'll just keep blowing up part of the world bit by bit. Terriosts won't stop at any cause. What will Kerry do? Try to just visit them and ask politley, "Hey, you guys want to declare peace?" Dude, c'mon get real. The only way to stop this "war" is to eliminate them. Kerry won't do shit except maybe have sex with Edwards. Supposedly, all the women think that Edwards is hot? *sigh* He's goin in the wrong direction with this war. The terriosts will just laugh at him. Then the world will be done for for sure.

Bush- He'll try to eliminate all the terriosts or atleast most of it. If it takes lives, then its worth it. We are eliminating everyone who wants to destroy and offend the world. Sure, he might be a little off, but its 10 times better than Kerrys idea. Bush will lead to victory and honor. Kerry will lead to failure and destruction. Everyones going to die anyways, so mine as well make a GOOD difference in the world.

So are you agreeing with D3V?

[tokill.ace]

*sigh* No, we aren't exactly "destroying" their country. Sure it'll be wrecked, but it'll be free of terriosm. We'll help them re-build everything. We don't shoot/kill anyone unless they have shot or attempted to kill us.

[Slim]

That's what it looks like. I did like his line about Kerry having sex with Edwards, pure genius....
















Whoops, typo. I meant retardation.

[==Nit5u4==]

Edwards is gay with kerry you know.

[Ganga]

1000 people, ONE person die is more than enough. I HOPE ALLYOUR BROTHER, MOTHER, FATHER, YOUR FUTURE SONS DIE IN THE HAND OF YOUR PRESIDENTS, I really hope so.

[==Nit5u4==]

You really are missinformed.

[D3V]

You should be on to talk. You support a broken cause, (bush administration).

[Sovereign]

Oh well. So sorry. People tend to die when guns are being fired at them.

[D3V]

Obviously. Don't make a joke of it fucking bastard.

[Sovereign]

rofl.

http://images.net3media.com/funnyfreepics/chill_pill.jpg

[D3V]

You said "OH Well" " So Sorry " Acting like it's no big fucking deal. Not even funny one bit you fucker.

[Demosthenes]

You really are missinformed.

You can't be misinformed on your own opinion, slick.

[w00t.ace]

Alright people, sorry for saying kerry-supporters make me sick, just stating my own opinion, and i think all of you guys should take sov's advice and take a chill pill, most of us aren't even old enough to vote, and we shouldn't be bashing everybodie's opinion.

[Vollstrecker]

Bush might have been wrong about the WMD'S but even better and WAY more important is the fact that he LIBERATED EVERY FUCKING IRAQI AND INNOCENT KURD IN IRAQ AND YET STILL YOU LIBERALS WHINE ABOUT WMD'S

WMDs were the entire fucking reason (the official one, at any rate) we invaded their country, killed their people, "liberated" them from Saddam and toppled the economy of the entire region! What the fuck does Bush say? "Oops"? Bullshit, that's 1000+ soldiers who have died chasing smoke on the wind...

Also, a fair portion of the Iraqi populace doesn't feel we've done them a favor at all. "Liberation" is how one thinks of it. How would you feel if China decided to come "liberate" us from Democracy, since Communism is obviously the superior form of government in their eyes? That's the same shit we're doing over there.

I would continue, but my train of thought has been interrupted by Abby calling... :mad:

[==Nit5u4==]

You should be on to talk.
Try making sense next time ok D3V? KK GG NO RE

[==Nit5u4==]

WMDs were the entire fucking reason (the official one, at any rate) we invaded their country, killed their people, "liberated" them from Saddam and toppled the economy of the entire region! What the fuck does Bush say? "Oops"? Bullshit, that's 1000+ soldiers who have died chasing smoke on the wind...

Also, a fair portion of the Iraqi populace doesn't feel we've done them a favor at all. "Liberation" is how one thinks of it. How would you feel if China decided to come "liberate" us from Democracy, since Communism is obviously the superior form of government in their eyes? That's the same shit we're doing over there.

I would continue, but my train of thought has been interrupted by Abby calling... :mad:
Toppled what economy? IRAQ HAD NO FUCKING ECONOMY SMART ONE. Saddam sold all the resources to build his palaces and upkeep his luxurious lifestyle, wow so many people are missinfromed in America...

[Vollstrecker]

The fucking region, cockfiend. Not just Iraq.

Try debating my other points?

[Sovereign]

Look at all you people, trying to act all politically smart. I laugh.

[==Nit5u4==]

You said Iraq, so i THOUGHT you were talking about Iraq smart one.

[Vollstrecker]

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=region

Since you obviously won't click the link, I'll post it for you:

re·gion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rjn)
n.
A large, usually continuous segment of a surface or space; area.
A large, indefinite portion of the earth's surface.
A specified district or territory.
An area of interest or activity; a sphere.
Ecology. A part of the earth characterized by distinctive animal or plant life.
An area of the body having natural or arbitrarily assigned boundaries: the abdominal region

If I meant Iraq, I would've said "toppled their economy" or "the economy of Iraq". The region is a reference to the surrounding area. Also, Iraq had to have an economy, otherwise, where would they get their weapons? That's right, exporting Petrol and Crude Oil constitutes an economy...

Are you going to try to debate anything serious, or continue to nitpick? I can do either.

[D3V]

Voll has re-iterated what I've been saying the whole time. This war is a joke, and now we've got 1,000 dead troops/casulties (americans) for nothing. Great job bush.

And I meant to say "Your one to talk"

[Demosthenes]

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=region

Since you obviously won't click the link, I'll post it for you:

re·gion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rjn)
n.
A large, usually continuous segment of a surface or space; area.
A large, indefinite portion of the earth's surface.
A specified district or territory.
An area of interest or activity; a sphere.
Ecology. A part of the earth characterized by distinctive animal or plant life.
An area of the body having natural or arbitrarily assigned boundaries: the abdominal region

If I meant Iraq, I would've said "toppled their economy" or "the economy of Iraq". The region is a reference to the surrounding area. Also, Iraq had to have an economy, otherwise, where would they get their weapons? That's right, exporting Petrol and Crude Oil constitutes an economy...

Are you going to try to debate anything serious, or continue to nitpick? I can do either.

Oh Snap! Owned again.

I brought up that point about China a while ago as well. And it's true that a lot of Iraq doesn't think we're doing them a favor. Gallup polls prove it.

[w00t.ace]

The example with china is a WHOLE different story, it has nothing to do with what's going on.What's happening here is, there are multiple reasons to get saddam out of power, 1. the fact that he kills thousands of innocent people for no reason. 2. he wouldn't let us inspect. 3. we DID find traces of what could be used for wmd's. and the thing with china is that, we have a good economy, our leader doesn't kill his own people, and they would have no reason to "liberate" us.

[Vollstrecker]

We have done so in the past.
You think we let people into OUR shit?
We have WMDs out the ass.


My point is that the war was all for finding these WMDs Saddam was supposedly hiding away, and there isn't shit (althought I wouldn't be shocked if Bin Laden or WMDs show up just a bit before elections though, I think Bush is that low).

Basically, who died and made us God, fit to deal out Punishment and Death as we see fit? We don't even have all of OUR shit together, what gives us the right to go recreating the world in OUR image?

[Demosthenes]

The example with china is a WHOLE different story, it has nothing to do with what's going on.What's happening here is, there are multiple reasons to get saddam out of power, 1. the fact that he kills thousands of innocent people for no reason. 2. he wouldn't let us inspect. 3. we DID find traces of what could be used for wmd's. and the thing with china is that, we have a good economy, our leader doesn't kill his own people, and they would have no reason to "liberate" us.

1.) We have killed between 12000-14000 Iraqi civilians, not to mention their soldiers, and our 1000 soldiers.

2.) Do you honestly think that we would let China inspect our country?

3.) We definitely have WMDs. So? Plus, what are these traces of WMDs you speak of? Is there any hard evidence?

Iraq's economy is in shambles because of the UN. Iraq wasn't allowed to export oil, their major export, until 1999. If I was Saddam, I'd be fucking pissed as well. And even after 1999, they were only allowed to export enough to meet their humanitarian needs.

Our leader doesn't kill his own people? I would consider sending kids into a frivolous war, simply because our leader has a belligerent foreign attitude, killing our own people.

And as for your last point, we had no reason to "liberate" them.

So, now, lets expand on Vollstreckers hypothetical situation. Lets say that the newly founded CCC (Collaboration of Communist Countries) has banned all our major exports, leaving our society and economy in shambles. Now, lets say they come in, and already have indirect power over the entire surrounding region. Furthermore, our pugnacious leader, we'll call him Borge W. Gush, has been sending our troops into war, and getting them all killed. When China asks to inspect our country, we refuse. That, then, gives China the right to attack us, according to your methodology, correct? That gives them the right to "liberate" us, correct? That gives them the right to shove communism down our throats, doing us a favor by helping our struggling economy, correct?

[Demosthenes]

We have done so in the past.
You think we let people into OUR shit?
We have WMDs out the ass.


My point is that the war was all for finding these WMDs Saddam was supposedly hiding away, and there isn't shit (althought I wouldn't be shocked if Bin Laden or WMDs show up just a bit before elections though, I think Bush is that low).

Basically, who died and made us God, fit to deal out Punishment and Death as we see fit? We don't even have all of OUR shit together, what gives us the right to go recreating the world in OUR image?

Wow. We made the exact same points, and I hadn't read your post before I wrote mine out.

[Vollstrecker]

I'm just that 1337.