Where Is This So-Called List of Zelaron Improvements?

[Titusfied]

What the hell are you guys waiting for? Grav isn't going to be Unbanned for another 11 days or so, so you might as well just put up your improvements now.

Unless that was a big bluff and you have nothing important you want to say.

[kockblocker1]

I just saved a bunch of money by switching to Geico.

Zelaron is fine to me. Leave it how it is now.

[HandOfHeaven]

No need for improvements, this site is sufficient as it is.

[Slim]

Well, I know of a few that have been suggested, I'll post them in a sec but I don't support all of them. Keep that much in mind.

The summarized list:



Desire to not have any negative comment be deemed as a flame or moved to the flame forum
Not enough moderation, so Sov does most of it (poorly), need new flame/chat mod. Not just RS.
Tired of mods editing posts and other censorship, want free(er) speech
Swearing rules suck. I want to curse.
Overly strict rule enforcement, but not for staff? If staff is going to enforce, they need to be removed for breaking their own rules. Simple. Not going to remove abusing staff? Why should we follow the rules then?
More warnings, less insta-ban
A thread going somewhat off topic doesnt need to be closed
Less closing/trashing of threads that could be good or are controversial (staff flame, por ejemplo)
Don't need to be told how to behave by someone who breaks his own damn rules anyway

I think 2 or 3 of these were gathered from D3V. :rolleyes:

[Tyrannicide]

FUCKING FUCK FUCK!

I agree with some of those fucking changes.

[KagomJack]

That's a pretty decent and fair list, Slim.

[-Spector-]

no more 10 char limit ....

Golly Gosh i was just Joking! :-P

[KagomJack]

Well, let's put it this way.

Zelaron Member A wants to post something about the news.
Zelaron Member B wants to reply, but it is probably less than 10 characters.
Zelaron Member B has to lengthen the message so he can post it.

That's why it should be lessened.

[Titusfied]

Holy fucking shit, I just wrote out the longest fucking reply and when I hit backspace, the Alt key must have be stuck or something, because the page refreshed one page back and I lost it all... I will try to get the jist of it all down now.

Negative comments are different from flames. If someone posts constructive criticism, even if it sounds like a flame, it is fine. The problem occurs with simple name calling and cursing that have no point, other than to degrade someone without intent to improve upon anything.

More Moderation is needed, not only to alleviate Sovereign of his duties, but just because Mods aren't doing enough as of now. There is a new system being talked about right now, but much still needs to be ironed out. I don't know if it will even work, but we will see.

There was a big discrepancy with what should be Edited. Simple enough, the Staff are now aware that only advertising posts should be Edited. Everything else should be Split and Moved to the Trashcan. Mods are now going to PM a member if they think a specific topic isn't deemed appropriate. Then, if it is done again, action will be taken.

There are no swearing rules. Swear the fuck away for all I fucking care.

More consistency will be used when Moderating from now on.

More warnings will be administered. Remember, with User Notes, a members history is accessible, and some rule offenses could be grounds for an "insta-ban", as you called it.

Threads are only to be Closed when they go too far Off-topic or their purpose has been served. Others will just be moved to the Chat Forum if they suck, or if the Mod so pleases, to the Trashcan.

Good or possibly good threads are always to be kept around and clean, if possible. If a thread gets so contaminated, it is up the Mod whether or not they want to go through the effort to Split out the crap and keep it open, or to just Trash, Move, or Close it.

[DaFrigginDoctah]

Holy fucking shit, I just wrote out the longest fucking reply and when I hit backspace, the Alt key must have be stuck or something, because the page refreshed one page back and I lost it all... I will try to get the jist of it all down now.

Negative comments are different from flames. If someone posts constructive criticism, even if it sounds like a flame, it is fine. The problem occurs with simple name calling and cursing that have no point, other than to degrade someone without intent to improve upon anything.
Thank you for letting us know. We'd be at a loss if we didn't know you had to re-type it.

I'll be a new mod. ^_^

[Titusfied]

There you go smartass. I only wrote that because I was going to Edit the post until all points were covered. I didn't feel like going through the whole process again and making another dumb mistake and lose it all.

[badboy]

I could be a mod of something.

[Thanatos]

What the fuck Slim? Grav was going to post that when he got unbanned and he was going to go into MUCH more detail. You're out of the club! :(

[Slim]

Sorry, I wasn't informed of this. He can still do it when he comes back, this is just a basic outline anyway.

[tokill.ace]

zelaron kicks ass no need for changes

[kockblocker1]

What the fuck Slim? Grav was going to post that when he got unbanned and he was going to go into MUCH more detail. You're out of the club! :(

It's so cute, you guys have a club.

[Chruser]

Holy fucking shit, I just wrote out the longest fucking reply and when I hit backspace, the Alt key must have be stuck or something, because the page refreshed one page back and I lost it all... I will try to get the jist of it all down now.

I've had similar things happen before. I try to copy the text I've written to my keyboard as often as possible.

[Thanatos]

It's so cute, you guys have a club.

Not really a club so much as a group of pure kickass.

[Vollstrecker]

but just because Mods aren't doing enough as of now.

I feel unloved.

[Randuin]

You should be murdered for your signature.

[Titusfied]

Like I said in my post, Grav won't be Unbanned for a long ass time (I think another 10 + days still), so I wanted to see what you had in mind. No need for him to be here to explain yourselves.

[MenstrualChunks]

I'd more layout options, and perhaps more monkeys, monkeys are crazy and unpredictable, and would be amusing on zelaron, WE NEED MORE MONKEYS!

[Slim]

We banned the only monkey around recently...D3V.

[MenstrualChunks]

I'm confused: Currently Active Users (3 members & 1 guests): MenstrualChunks, D3V, undeadzombieguy

[Slim]

He can browse, just not post.

[MenstrualChunks]

Hello DV3... you suck, and you cant do anything about it, you just have to swallow that comment.. MUAHAHAHA

[Slim]

Everyone already knows D3V sucks, he even knows it.

[HandOfHeaven]

Be a man, get on AIM and insult him.

[MenstrualChunks]

FUCK AOL! I fucking hate AOL and anything related to it, you let them have just 1MB of your computer and they over run it with 50 shortcuts leading to AOL, because the software is designed for complete fucking retards, and doesn't allow you to do anything useful with your browser.

[Thanatos]

Like I said in my post, Grav won't be Unbanned for a long ass time (I think another 10 + days still), so I wanted to see what you had in mind. No need for him to be here to explain yourselves.

It was his idea in the first place anyways. He'll have much more to add to it; be pacient, young grasshopper.

[slaynish]

Only thing i care about is the media and arts section.

If those go, I go. Thats it.

Which is why it means so much to me to mod them :P

[Penny_Bags]

First off, stop this off topic bullshit, this isn't the "Make me a mod!!!!" thread, nor is any other.

Yeah, the so called list of improvements was going back and forth between PM's, and Slim wasn't really supposed to do that, but I doubt it matters.

[Slim]

Yeah, my mistake. I wasn't informed that it was still in the development phase. I'm sure Grav can just add onto this, with more detail when he returns.

[Penny_Bags]

No problem...

[D3V]

I'll be posting a vaguely detailed list sooner or later. Though, Zelaron is fine how it is.

[Raziel]

Well, I'm already attempting to make use of the "better moderation" suggestion. I've been slacking off, not reading threads with titles that don't immediately interest me and such. I'll try to step it up a few more notches over the next few days.

[Medieval Bob]

Will someone explain to me how the masses want both more moderation and more freedom of speech? You want to say what you want, but you want it moderated moreso than it is right now. WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

[D3V]

No, most of us want more 'freedom' and for the staff to get the same punishment.

[Medieval Bob]

Desire to not have any negative comment be deemed as a flame or moved to the flame forum
Tired of mods editing posts and other censorship, want free(er) speech
A thread going somewhat off topic doesnt need to be closed
Less closing/trashing of threads that could be good or are controversial (staff flame, por ejemplo)

Not enough moderation, so Sov does most of it (poorly), need new flame/chat mod. Not just RS.


What do you want moderated more? You just made a list of things you don't want moderated.

[Slim]

None of these are even MY ideas. Titus asked for a list, I happened to have that list, and I posted it.

[Medieval Bob]

So you don't know what the requests you were making mean...

[Slim]

I wasn't making requests, I was posting the ideas for improvement of a few members. If you look at the original post, I said I don't agree with most/some of these.

[Medieval Bob]

So that's a complied list of differen't people's requests.

So we have some people wanting more moderation, some people wanting less moderation, and some people just wanting current moderators gone.

Wanna know something? You can't please everybody.

[Slim]

Yeah, if you want an explanation for these you'll have to wait for Grav to come back.

[Medieval Bob]

So these are the changes that Grav wants made? Because, otherwise, there's no reason to wait for him... If other people agree with this, or if any of these are other people's ideas, people who are not Grav should be able to explain it.

[Slim]

Well, Grav is like the center of this whole Zelaron "revolt" or whatever you want to call it. I don't think most people will be willing to talk about it without him here, though I may be wrong.

[Medieval Bob]

So most people want changes, but they don't have opinions or know what they feel about it.

They'll talk about wanting changes at Zelaron, but they won't do it here.

Does nobody else see the absurdity of this?

[Titusfied]

Me! Oh, me me me me me! I see it!

I think they mean by more freedom of speech that they don't want their posts being Edited. They'd rather see it get trashed then edited? Maybe more Moderation simply meaning, less Sov? I don't know, I'm just trying to throw a bone at these "geniuses" who made this list..

[Thanatos]

Back off, all of you. Just chill the hell out till Grav comes in and we can discuss what we would like to see done. Don't resort to childish insults. Be pacient, damnit!

[Medieval Bob]

Why does Grav have to be here for it? Is he the only person with an opnion or a mind? Seriously, unless everyone involved in this is just kissing Grav's ass, say something now, because the excuse, "Grav's not here..." isn't doing much for anyone.

Just chill the hell out till Grav comes in and we can discuss what we would like to see done.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that "we" was plural.

[Penny_Bags]

Sorry, but this is retarded, Zelaron isn't that bad, it just went through a bad spot a week ago, it's fine... if you are being a dumbass maybe your posts deserve to be edited and or moved. I think Gen Con should be moderated hardcore, and Chat should be hardly moderated at all. Do it. Bacardi and Cola, do it, do it.

[kockblocker1]

This is model Kockblocker1. I am also under control of the Grav. You will all be assimilated into the collective. Resistance is futile.

[Thanatos]

I do agree that Zelaron has lightened up a bit, but that may be just because I haven't seen Sov in a while.

[Titusfied]

Yes, he is definitely MIA. All seems to be running smoothly too. Figure THAT!!

[Penny_Bags]

Simple solution... insta-ban.

[Medieval Bob]

Things are running smoothly because people aren't constantly bitching about it. I don't see how his absence is improving the forums.

[Penny_Bags]

So you don't lika da playful jokin' do ye' jah man?

[Titusfied]

Apparently not.

I wonder why the bitching stopped though.

[Slim]

I'm wondering where Sov is as well...strange....

[D3V]

http://zelaron.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31599

There was just one made by Slim. There's your So-Called list of Zelaron Improvements from "Grav"

[Thanatos]

Apparently not.

I wonder why the bitching stopped though.

..Wasn't this already answered? Sov isn't around to control us.

[D3V]

His absence has been the best improvement in a few months.

[Sovereign]

I'm still here :p

Just recently got my insurance back, so I've been hanging out alot outside. I'll be back to my normal posting habits in a bit.

[Penny_Bags]

Meh fuck. Welcome back Sov.

[D3V]

Welcome back? He never left. i'm still here :fag:

[Sovereign]

Grow up, you pompous swine.