Do you believe in god, Why or Why not?

[slaynish]

Well, atlast another thread such as this one.

I believe in god, because I believe in the bible. It's just something that i know it isn't imaginary, or fake, like when I'm shooting in basketball, and I know I'll make it. It's kind of the same way, I know it's real because I just get that special feeling when things happen.

What is your opinion on this?

[Jamesadin]

Yes I do.

For a previous thread on this topic, read HERE (http://www.zelaron.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7771&highlight=god)

[slaynish]

Yes I do.

For a previous thread on this topic, read HERE (http://www.zelaron.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7771&highlight=god)


Blah, There's many new members, those posts are all the good oldschool members.

[Slim]

Not at all, there is no real proof to support that there IS a god. The bible contradicts itself so many times it's not even funny.

[Gunbound]

Ah holy crap you're stupid, you have to study the bible to figure out that it doesn't contradict itself....have you done that?

[MightyJoe]

Yeah I believe in God. For the reasons that slaynish stated and also that someone had to start mankind.

[Tyrannicide]

I believe in Buddah. Buddism respects other religions.
I also believe in other non religion stuff, but wont dive into that. (ninja stuff, etc)

[Jamesadin]

Though it isn't my religion, I do believe that Buddhism does have good morals.

[Ganga]

Where is the partly!!

[KagomJack]

I believe in God because I have tested my faith so many times and gotten a reply back. Slim, the bible doesn't constantly contradict itself. To me, God is a postulate. He can't be proven, but he can't be disproven, he's something that has to be accepted, either in life or death.

[‡AC‡]

most of life doesnt make sense i think thats why people came up with religion
to explain things

no offense

but i think people who believe in a god are simple minded....

And if he is real, he is demented...To many bad things happen and not enough good things to offset them.

[KagomJack]

The good offset the bad ten times. THere's a lot more good than you realize, MAC.

[‡AC‡]

The good offset the bad ten times. THere's a lot more good than you realize, MAC.
I'am not talking in general, I'am talking about personal life. I've thought about suicide many time over the past 7 years, thought about the future maybe 6 times at most that i can rember.. Thats not a "god is real" ratio.

[KagomJack]

Did you even try to pray? Did you read the bible for comfort? Try it sometime, it'll help a lot more than you know. I've gone through the suicidal thing. I prayed for help, I read the bible. It helped me (I wasn't always religious...Agnostic for 7 years)

[slaynish]

Well, If I was Bi, I'd just kill myself..

No offense, though..

I try to prey, sometimes i cant do it though, too tired or something..

[KagomJack]

First of all, I see no reason to want to kill myself because of my sexual orientation. I also see no reason to just because I'm bi.

praying is something I do everyday. It strengthens my bond with God.

[slaynish]

I know, it was more a joke than anything else, i apologize.

Usually, I pray every day to god, not at bed, or when i wake up, or eating times, I just pray when i need guidance or questions...

For most of the same reasons you do it.

[‡AC‡]

Did you even try to pray? Did you read the bible for comfort? Try it sometime, it'll help a lot more than you know. I've gone through the suicidal thing. I prayed for help, I read the bible. It helped me (I wasn't always religious...Agnostic for 7 years)
I used to till I realized it didn't help and that the bible is bullshit.

[slaynish]

I used to till I realized it didn't help and that the bible is bullshit.


It depends what it's about.

If you prayed that your grandma wouldn't die, like I would've if my grandma would've died 6 years ago, well, some things are just meant to be.

I was playing pool today, and my opponent had the 8ball shot, i prayed " If i lose, the bible is fake."

He shot the 8ball in, and made it.
I was appauled. I was amazed, and dissapointed.






3 seconds later, the cueball went into the opposite pocket...

[HandOfHeaven]

Well, God is in control, but he does give us control of our free will.

[Jessifer]

I'm not a religious person at all, but I believe that there's a possibility that there's a higher being. But then again, seeing is believing IMO.

The Bible itself was written by man and therefore has the possibility of having imperfections. It has also been translated so many times that I've given up believing most of the things it has to say. It does however, make for some pretty darn interesting reading material.

[Penny_Bags]

MAC, the thing is, this "god" gave man a freedom to choose. The choices that are made can lead to good or bad things for you and or other people. e.x. someone's choice to murder or commit suicide.

Chew on this madness (bear with me), if you are saying that there is no God because there is too much evil, you are contradicting yourself in a sense. This is because your beliefs about there being a god are based around the notion that a god has to be good and pure. While this could be a way to disprove that there is a Christian God, my original arguement nullifies that statement, because the reason that there is evil (according to Christians) is not because there isn't a god, but because this god gave humans the power to choose, and the brain to decide what is right and wrong. If you are arguing that there is no higher "god" at all, because of all the evil in the world, you are basing your beliefs around a Christian god, and........ I win.

[‡AC‡]

Who the fuck said I was debateing? I stated my reason for not beliveing in god. No debate intended, you don't win. Eveybody has bad things happen to them in there lives. God is suppose to be good, Thats the basies of most religons. None of my or anyone else's choices has cuased the bad things that have happened in my life. So far I've lost many people for differnt reasons. They havent all died, but they might as well have died. It would have been easier to get over. I won't go into detail, because it would be a very depressing post. Don't try to change my views.

[Sovereign]

I don't believe in god.

[D3V]

I do believe in God because its obvious there is a GOD. I mean, scientifically there may not be any proof, but this universe was started somehow. This whole galaxy was started from somewhere. For all we know we could be a test tube for some fucking aliens and we're just a giant ass science experiment.

God is all around us, all the time. When you do something good, you feel good, that is because god is with you. When you get pissed off , you might say goddamnit. Now, that itself is quite negative, and when you say it you feel bad, thats because you are rejecting god. I dunnon about all of this emotional bullshit, but I feel VERY VERY strongly there is a god.

[MenstrualChunks]

D3V is gay.

[KagomJack]

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I agree, there has to be a God. If the evolutionist theory of everything originating from a single cell is true, then where did that cell come from? Nothing can come from nothing.

[Penny_Bags]

I didn't mean to make it sound like I was debating, sorry about that, I guess the whole I win thing made it sound that way, but I was kidding. I was just speculating... in a sense. I was tired at the time... but anyways, I do believe and god, and that is all, no hard feelings.

[Penny_Bags]

I agree, there has to be a God. If the evolutionist theory of everything originating from a single cell is true, then where did that cell come from? Nothing can come from nothing. What about God, didn't he "come from nothing"? Why couldn't that single cell do the same?

[badboy]

I believe in the bible and God, but I don't go to church. I hate church, waste of my time. Church people are the worst kind to me. I can't stand their gay ass attitude about everything and the way they treat people. Just makes you think that church is evil in someway.

[Xenn]

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I agree, there has to be a God. If the evolutionist theory of everything originating from a single cell is true, then where did that cell come from? Nothing can come from nothing.

Science has proven that the first living cell was created by a culmination of lightning storms, proteins, and other atmospheric effects from ancient earth.

However, I still believe in a God.

[MenstrualChunks]

Science hasn't proven anything other than the possibility that the origin of life came from those factors, life could have just as easily came to earth aboard a comet, or from an outside source. In a labratory specific conditions can be recreated in which organic molecules are created from simpler molecules in the atmosphere, combine that with a lipid membrane and you have little bubbles of organic molecules that could have possibly turned into the first cell, it is definitely far from having been proven though, it never will be because we can't go back 3 billion years in time.

[Jessifer]

You know, there is a such thing as somewhat of a happy medium in this case. Has anyone ever heard of the term "Theistic Evolutionist"?

A Theistic Evolutionist is a person who believes in God and that He used evolution to create the universe and everything in it.

"At the point in time I came to faith in Jesus Christ as my Savior, my sins were all forgiven, and I was given everlasting life. But something else happened which I was only later to realize. I had gone from being an "agnostic evolutionist" to being a "theistic evolutionist." That meant that now I believed in God and that He used evolution over billions of years to create the universe and everything in it. I honestly believed that evolution was the only scientifically accurate option for how we got here. It was the "Big Bang," plus time, plus chanse. Or, in other words, "nothing plus no one equals everything."

- "The Evolution of a Creationist" by Jobe Martin, D.M.D., ThM.

I borrowed the book from a teacher Freshman year in highschool and then failed to return it.