Fate

[Chruser]

To quote a monologue from Max Payne 2:

"Vlad was right. There are no choices. Nothing but a straight line. If you had done something differently, it wouldn't be you, it would be someone else looking back, asking a different set of questions. The illusion comes afterwards, when you ask 'why me?' and 'what if?' when you look back, see the branches, like a pruned Bonsai tree, or a forked lightning."

I could easily list a number of incidents when "freak accidents", or maybe just minute conincidences resulting in meeting some person, have changed my life greatly. Personally, afterwards, I don't see how those things *couldn't* have happened. It just... No. I believe in fate to some extent. While I can still make choices, I think life gears itself in certain directions, and you're bound to get what you deserve, eventually.

What do YOU think?

[MightyJoe]

Tough question for some. But, I really don't believe in fate. I just live my life by the choices that I make and that is what impacts my life.

[timmay1113]

I think life goes in a general direction. I think you have choice on some things but then fate on other things. The best example of fate with me always seems to be dealing with girls.

[undeadzombieguy]

U really like Max Payne 2 dont u Chruser :p

I dont know. Things happen no matter how u see it or what u do, I really dont have a good oppinion about wether its fate or just coincidence because I simply dont know.

[Medieval Bob]

There was a thread about this before. *digs*

Okay it's not a thread, but it was a subtopic in the Do You Believe thread.

Postdestination.

[Ganga]

Party i guess, but you can change your fate anytime.

[Medieval Bob]

To elaborate:

What happens to you is your choice. You make the decisions. What makes it fate in the end is when you look back on it and see the other paths. Those turning points where you made decisions are what affected your "fate."

The reality of the matter is that they never were really choices to begin with. Yes, you, of your own free will, decided what was to happen. One option was taken over another. However, if you were in the same situation again, you would choose the same option (note my phrasing--do not argue with me about this as it is a fact).

That means that, if you were to look at it from a looking back perspective, then you life would be predetermined from the beginning of time. Here, in the now of time, you have all the options you could possibly imagine. They're just not choices as we all understand the word.

You can go to work or quit your job. It's up to you to decide, but whatever thought you have about the situation is there for a reason, and that reason exists for another reason. It's all a big, inescapable chain.

That is, if you look at it from the end. Currently, I choose my fate. There is nothing that determines where my life will go but me. It'll be different in 70 years.

[Penny_Bags]

I think that everyone gets what they deserve in some way, good or bad, I agree with Chruser.

I need to get Max Payne 2... quickly.

[iceman887]

yah max payne 2 is GOOD, they make graphics really good and it is cool how u can move boxes like running in to them

well i say partly

[Penny_Bags]

Moving boxes by running into them... sounds awesome....

I am sure it beats the living hell out of Bullet Time.

[iceman887]

no i mean like the environment is interactive kinda, u know how in soem games u run into them and they dont move, u can make boxes fall down and stuff

[Penny_Bags]

I understood that.

[uncapped]

Everything happens for a reason. That MP2 quote displayed the words perfectly.

[Chruser]

If you get the game, be SURE to use the Cinema 1.6 mod. It does make the game somewhat easier since you get more time to think, but really, it makes Max Payne 2 truly awesome.

Anyway, I sometimes have a hard time believing in free choice. Quite often, the events in my life seem to fall perfectly into place. Nothing in my deranged life seems truly ramdom, or based on statistics in any way. I don't know, maybe the human race in general is more predictable than it should be.

[Silverjinx18]

I believe in fate :)

[Penny_Bags]

Women always do. Fuck horoscopes.

And Bob, so basically your saying "fate" is just another word for "outcome"?

[Penny_Bags]

Anyway, I sometimes have a hard time believing in free choice. Quite often, the events in my life seem to fall perfectly into place. Nothing in my deranged life seems truly ramdom, or based on statistics in any way. I don't know, maybe the human race in general is more predictable than it should be.

It seems to me, that often when something happens in my life, I seem to think of an outcome and a reason why that event could be extremely pivotal. For instance, if I am sitting in the car, riding around with my little brother and family, something said on the radio could spark some huge chain of events. Next time something like this happens, I will post an example, because it is kind of hard to explain... It makes me feel kind of crazy... but hey, I am.

[D3V]

I believe in Fate. But there are a set of rules, and hundreds of thousands of variables that play along in everybody's lives.

Sometimes I'll just lose my sense of reality and stare into space, I just think alot to myself. I've been gone for a little while from here, just thinking about life. I've been in my room for all this time, obsessing on my life. Everything in my life, I don't know why, but I can feel the world around my presence starting to warp. This is not a good thing, but I can feel the world that I know in my perspective going to hell, I just believe most of us will die sooner than later. I don't know, maybe I need to see a psychologist.