The Draft is Returning

[Kuja`s #1]

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/issues/alert/?alertid=5834001&content_dir=ua_congressorg

Yay... So, remember kids, our dear Secretary of War just recently stated that the War on Terror is just beginning. So, a vote for Bush is a vote for the Bush Administration's attempts to spread their influence to every part of the globe.

I guess I'm back... Big deal, since I won't have a computer in two days.

[iceman887]

man thats gonna suck

[Penny_Bags]

Man it up and fight for your fucking country you self absorbed fuck bag. Get your mouth off your mammy's titter, and be a man.

[platnum]

If I got drafted, I would fight for my country. I will be scared as fuck, but I think you would have to be crazy not to be scared.

[badboy]

Wow, I'm going to go into the Army anyways and hopefully become a Ranger.

[Penguin]

I would join the army but the pay is no good. If the pay was good, I would join the army because I care more about money then I do about George's war in Iraq.

[badboy]

Well I care about America, not your money.

[Kuja`s #1]

Well, if you were speaking to me Penny, I don't think Bush and his crew of war criminals are ready exactly to start recruiting the handicapped youths of America. They might slip to -10% popularity in the polls.

[Tai]

I can't be drafted. Joy. I have a chronic (15 years or more) exposure to a psychological affecting drug, so I cannot be drafted :D

[Demosthenes]

If I was to get drafted into a war I believed to be unethical, or one that I believed was being fought based on a ridiculous reason, I would simply refuse to fight.

[NonGayMan]

Is that site for real?

[NonGayMan]

Pending

They are still deciding.

[WetWired]

The same question occurred to me, but if you follow links, you will find what appears to be enough legitimate content without redirection to discount theories of this being a joke or prank.

[WetWired]

Well, yes, that was the whole point of the article, wasn't it; to alert people that people were trying to get this bill through congress.

[iceman887]

if u get drafted do u still get money, like i remember they pay for all your college and stuff

[‡AC‡]

If I was to get drafted into a war I believed to be unethical, or one that I believed was being fought based on a ridiculous reason, I would simply refuse to fight.
Or be the first one to go on a killing spree in which the military side of your victims was not a reason for they're deaths.

[Jamesadin]

Its good to live in Canada. Come on up and join us!

[!King_Amazon!]

I'd fight if I got drafted.

[slaynish]

If i was old enough to be drafted. I would not fight if it was a war i didnt believe in. That is stupid. As fuck. I would move to Canada. Join Jamesadin, and Chronic Killa ( Where the FUCK did he go?)

Also... I'd go to Degrassi.. ROFLMAO.. Jamesadin, you kinda look like Creig... ROFL, are you on Degrassi?

[khwiii]

The same for me. Bottom line is, I am no better then any other person who has died for their country. As stupid as any war may be, it's still part of the cost of living free as an American.

[slaynish]

The same for me. Bottom line is, I am no better then any other person who has died for their country. As stupid as any war may be, it's still part of the cost of living free as an American.


True that, what is REALLY being free, if you are brought into a world to fight?

Cant they make fucking robots for shit like this?

[!King_Amazon!]

Lucid dreaming is being free.

[D3V]

Man it up and fight for your fucking country you self absorbed fuck bag. Get your mouth off your mammy's titter, and be a man.


Omfg is everybody Brainwashed mush mouthed idiots? There is no fucking point of war to begin with. Ok, they crashed their planes, we bombed the fuck out of afghanistan, we couldn't find Osama. So we go to Iraq because of their Weapons of Mass Destruction. Big whoop, we didn't find anything at all there, and we're getting killed left and right, our death toll is over 700. And for what? NOTHING. And now they want to get more of us to get killed for this pointless argument. Pathetic. Please explain to me how in any we are endangered by the Iraqis, and I may be encouraged, but until then there is no point what-so-ever of going.

[Demosthenes]

Omfg is everybody Brainwashed mush mouthed idiots? There is no fucking point of war to begin with. Ok, they crashed their planes, we bombed the fuck out of afghanistan, we couldn't find Osama. So we go to Iraq because of their Weapons of Mass Destruction. Big whoop, we didn't find anything at all there, and we're getting killed left and right, our death toll is over 700. And for what? NOTHING. And now they want to get more of us to get killed for this pointless argument. Pathetic. Please explain to me how in any we are endangered by the Iraqis, and I may be encouraged, but until then there is no point what-so-ever of going.

I wholeheartedly agree with D3V.

[Sovereign]

I plan too. -_-

[Raziel]

If you get drafted, just go enlist in the Coast Guard. Simple as that.

[D3V]

I don't want too. Thats the point, as soon as I sign up, my name, information, everything is put on to a government log and soon as something serious comes up and we gotta dig ourselves out of a damn hole like we're in now, I'll be first in line.

[WetWired]

Well, you'd best plan on immigrating to Canada as soon as the bill is passed, because the article states that Canada will hand your ass back to the US on a silver platter if you get drafted.

Personally, it's always been my feeling that if the US started drafting, I would join drafted or not; I actually had tried to join the Air Force out of high school, but I couldn't because of medicine I was taking for my ADHD.

[Thanatos]

I'd go and fight. I don't really know what I want to do with my life as of yet and the military is somewhat appealing. All I know is, if my country called on me I'd rise to the occasion.

[frickaline]

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/issues/alert/?alertid=5834001&content_dir=ua_congressorg

Yay... So, remember kids, our dear Secretary of War just recently stated that the War on Terror is just beginning. So, a vote for Bush is a vote for the Bush Administration's attempts to spread their influence to every part of the globe.

I guess I'm back... Big deal, since I won't have a computer in two days.

OMG....so scary. Vietnam II, the saga continues. Bush...what have you done to us.

-frick

[Sovereign]

He's ruined the economy. Hes turned the biggest national surplus into the biggest national deficit, ever. Also, during his presidency, more people lost their jobs then during any other presidents term since the great depression.

It's true, hes a moron whos going to fuck us over. And i'm in no way going to go forcibly fight a war for no reason. I probably can't get drafted for one reason or another anway. But STOP BITCHING ABOUT BUSH KUJA'S. Every forum I join that you are a part of, an anti-bush thread pops up. Hes a dumbfuck. WE ALL KNOW. Stop bringing it up over and over again like a scratched xbox disk.

[NonGayMan]

Stop bringing it up over and over again like a scratched xbox disk.

That disk wouldn't have gotten scratched if you would've just put it back into its case. :p

[D3V]

And you know whats funny? Us Brainwashed americans actually think that he's sucha good president for 'national defense'.

GUESS WHAT BUSH, WE GOT 4 FUCKING PLANES CRASHED, and because why? He was MORE concerned with fucking Saddamn Hussien. When 9/11 first happened, he TRIED to get Saddam linked to it, and after he was finally convinced that Al-Qadea did plan 9/11 / carry it out. HE tried to link Saddamn to Al-Qadea...... .What a fucking moron, just like his dad.

and people will vote for him again, he's gotten the 3,000 people KILLED from 9/11 , He's gotten 700+ Killed in Iraq ... (so far, without this damn draft*) We're in national debt, losing jobs left and right, economy almost crashed completely a few months back, Honestly. We gave him and his stupid ass redneck dad 8 years of our life, now lets get their stupid cowboy loving asses outta office, and start-a-new.

[Thanatos]

and people will vote for him again, he's gotten the 3,000 people KILLED from 9/11 , He's gotten 700+ Killed in Iraq ...

WTF are you talking about? How did our President get 3000 people killed in the WTC attacks? He didn't order them. He wasn't the one that flew the planes into the building. Don't feed this bullshit to anyone. Al-Qada flew the planes into the buildings, not our damn President.

[NonGayMan]

George Bush says our children is learning.

If you don't stand for anything, you don't stand for anything.

[Slim]

"Theres an old saying in Tennessee, I know it's in Texas....probably in Tennessee. Fool me once shame on you...fool me twice..you....you can't get fooled again" - George W. Bush.

Tell me why this man can't remember a simple saying, or pronounce the word "nuclear" but somehow graduated Yale and is running the strongest military power in the world. I just don't get it.

[Xenn]

Let's just hope to hell he doesn't get re-elected.

[Fatal1ty]

Omfg is everybody Brainwashed mush mouthed idiots? There is no fucking point of war to begin with. Ok, they crashed their planes, we bombed the fuck out of afghanistan, we couldn't find Osama. So we go to Iraq because of their Weapons of Mass Destruction. Big whoop, we didn't find anything at all there, and we're getting killed left and right, our death toll is over 700. And for what? NOTHING. And now they want to get more of us to get killed for this pointless argument. Pathetic. Please explain to me how in any we are endangered by the Iraqis, and I may be encouraged, but until then there is no point what-so-ever of going.

Fah... So you never have ever thought that your generals sent their own planes into the world trade centers? Thus would give them reason to fight iraq for their oil. We all know thats why they had war anyways.

America is the most fucked up country their is.

All the presidents who were not for war. - Assassinated...

Presidents who were for war. - Not Assassinated..

Don't see any clues their?

[Slim]

Yes we flew planes into our own buildings costing us shit tons of money, nice logic there. Dumbass, it wasn't Iraq that was responsible for 9/11 it was Afghanistan.

[Fatal1ty]

That oil is worth billions u dumb fucker. You never know with ur fucking society. You think ur prez is in charge. BS. Your generals are.

You Have no Clue it was Afganistan!!

Just cuz a couple afganys were on the plane doesnt mean it was them.

[Slim]

What did I just say, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. So you saying that we flew planes into our own buildings to attack Iraq is way the hell off. If we were going to do something like that to attack Iraq don't you think we would actually blame it on them? But hey, why bother listening to logic when you can blindly bash a country for dumbass propaganda made by some anti-American assholes. I admit America isn't perfect but it's much better than most other countries.

[Fatal1ty]

America is much better.... How so?

[Slim]

Well let's start with your country, where do you live?

[Fatal1ty]

Canada. - What's wrong with canada?

[Slim]

Besides the fact that you can't defend yourself at all if someone decided to attack you?

[Fatal1ty]

We don't need too, Cause we don't attack people in the first place.

It's your turn... Do your worse. I think I have spoken for everyone in canada on that one.

Peace is better then war.

[Slim]

I'm pretty sure if we weren't below you with all the military power we have, Canada would be property of some other country by now.

Before you start this peace is better than war shit. I wasn't for the war in Iraq, it was completely pointless.

[Fatal1ty]

We canadians go to other countrys and we get greeted nice.

Most Americans are fucking dumb end of story.

[Slim]

Do you have any proof? Have you talked to most Americans? No.

[Sovereign]

Really now.

YOU, are a moron. Don't go telling Americans that were fucking stupid. Canada is a french based country. If i do remember correctly, in world war two, the french declared war on germany, then didnt attack for a few weeks/months, then they got pwned to hell and had to ask the Us and other countries for help. THats fucking stupid.

Now shut your god damn mouth.

Edit- oh wait, hes already banned. Dammit

[KagomJack]

Fuck, fight for our country! Kerry would just let the terrorists trample us and make America its bitch.

[Sovereign]

I'm not going to be forced into a fighting for a country i hate. So fuck bush, and fuck the draft. His uber "we must do this for god" attitude is pissing me off.

[KagomJack]

then dodge the draft and get thrown in jail...or move to another country and hide. You don't have to live in America Sov. You are empowered to live where you'd like. Me, I'm not pro-America, but I'm not anti-American. I don't want to fight for this country, but I would, but only if I felt the cause was just.

[Sovereign]

Oh shut the fuck up. I AM forced to live here. I am a minor and therefore my parents are still my legal guardians. And until i'm 18, the law says they have final say on what i do. Rest assured i will be moving to canada the SECOND i can afford it. I'm not going to go get shot at by some bastard all because some stupid ape told me that i have to "fight to defend our great country". And after i move to canada, im going to turn on the news, and LAUGH while people who "defend there country for a just cause" are getting slaughtered by the hundreds for some stupid half assed reason.

[KagomJack]

Well, I don't care what you do. But dammit, my cousin is out in Iraq. He's a mine specialist...and his best friend just got blown up by a mine. So let me tell you this, it is not funny when someone dies in war. To you, it may be a half-assed reason, but there is a good reason in this Sov. But Sov, you don't have to take a position in the army that requires actual combat. I'm sure there's something you could do with computers that requires 0 combat. But look, running to Canada to avoid something your country is doing is (in my opinion) something sort of a pussy's way out.

[Sovereign]

Well i quite frankly don't care that your cousins friend died. I find it VERY funny when people are still willing to go out there, and die for no reason.

This ISNT my country. This is just the temporary brothel that i am forced to live in until i can move. This country cound rot in hell for all i care. AFter i move to canada, if i was to turn on the news, and hear that the us was just turned into a giant bomb crater, id be happy.

This country is full of shit. And im fed up wiht it. And I WONT support this country in making future fuckups. I will not die for this piece of shit country, just because a persident orders me to fight.

And lastly, I am not moving to canada to avoid a draft. I've had that plan for YEARS.

But hey, whats wrong with dodging drafts. I hear that the bush family has dodged a few of them.

[KagomJack]

actually, I read that was something that the Liberals/Democrats came up with to make him look bad. But it turned out to be false and Bush did serve. I know you don't care that my cousin's best friend died. You heartless shit. There are some people who still have a sense of pride in this country. There are still some who wish to preserve it. This country needs a good president like Reagan or JFK to help it. Kerry would definitely fuck it up. Bush wouldn't bury the country like Kerry. But you should be slightly more proud of this country. If you try to do what you can to change it for the better, don't you think that it would be better? BTW, if the USA was to become a crater, I think that it wouldn't be long until someone tried to take over Canada and the rest of the Americas.

[Sovereign]

Heartless shit? Sorry for not caring about someone I DONT KNOW. And I honestly hope his family knows that he died for NO GOOD CAUSE.

Kerry CANT POSSIBLY FUCK IT UP MORE THEN BUSH DID.

I am ASHAMED of this country. And nothing I directly do can change my feelings.

[Slim]

Excuse me, but isn't it BUSH that's trying to start a nuclear war with North Korea? Didn't he take the largest budget surplus and turn it into the biggest national deficit in US history? Didn't we just get into a completely pointless war because of Bush?
I agree Bush wouldn't bury the country like Kerry. He'd get us blown the fuck up. Kerry might be able to do something positive for the country.

[Sovereign]

And kerry doesn't SEEM to be the bible humping moron that bush is.

[KagomJack]

(Sorry about that sov, that kinda slipped, it was wrong of me to say that.)

No, look at Kerry: He doesn't stick with a single decision at all. Seriously, he voted for some million dollars to go to the Iraq war when it was to be voted to go through Congress. Then when it was to go through the Senate, he voted against it. He was also against gay marriage, and then later said "I am opposed, but if it makes you happy, go out and do it!" Besides, Kerry is an asshole.

[Slim]

Yes, Bush wants to ban gay marriage. As if the government should have a roll in what they want to do with their lives.

[KagomJack]

I will agree with a lot of people on this: gay marriage should be decided by the people, not the gov't.

[NonGayMan]

If the US would turn into a crater, then the rest of the world would too, probably.

[Demosthenes]

If the US would turn into a crater, then the rest of the world would too, probably.

Alien attacks!!!

[D3V]

(Sorry about that sov, that kinda slipped, it was wrong of me to say that.)

No, look at Kerry: He doesn't stick with a single decision at all. Seriously, he voted for some million dollars to go to the Iraq war when it was to be voted to go through Congress. Then when it was to go through the Senate, he voted against it. He was also against gay marriage, and then later said "I am opposed, but if it makes you happy, go out and do it!" Besides, Kerry is an asshole.

Actually it was the 87 billion dollar bill that was going to be written for us to go to war. And by the same it had made it to senate Kerry had learned some of the facts about the actual point of the war. (He was caught up in post 9/11 just like the rest of us, and he voted for it at that time. ) But now that we ALL can see Iraq is just a distraction for our 'war on terror' he changed his opinion.

Actually, Kerry and Bush are against gay marriage. But they both agreed on wanting to have the 'Civil Union'. And Kerry is not an asshole in anyway, kj. I believe Kerry can pull us out of this shithole that we are in as of now.

[Redyoshix]

what's the draft?

Is it getting ready for war?

[Slim]

Oh my god! What are you, 10?

[Redyoshix]

9 to be precise

[Slim]

What the hell are you doing on Zelaron if you're 9?

[Redyoshix]

What 9 year olds aren't allowed?

Im pretty computer smart and I love bigger forums so why wouldn't I come to this one?

[Slim]

If you can understand what we're talking about there's no problem with it.

[Redyoshix]

damn, Their coming down on me in the flamer room. Damn clowns.

I don't have to be drafted eh?

Ill just become a trailor Park boy.

[Sovereign]

Technically, no they arent.

WEll at least when i signed up almost a year ago, you had to agree that you were over the age of 13. But i highly doubt chruser, or any other staff member for that matter, gives a shit.

I certainly don't.

[!King_Amazon!]

There's a form for under 13.

[KagomJack]

Actually, not really. Kerry is very indecisive about many things. And Kerry is an asshole. 1) I have a coworker whose daughter went to graduation for someone and she sat next to Kerry. He was a total asshole to her. 2) He flips off a Vietnam veteran in front of schoolchildren... 3) He (after starting Vietnam Veterans Against War) was pro-Communism. 4) He claimed to have stood proudly against Reagan during the wartime. Then he decides that it wasn't bad. 5) He said Reagan was too hard on terrorists...

BTW, I read somewhere that Ben Stein (Actor and wealthy man) said that Kerry's economic plan would be bad for us.

Under Bush:
288,000 new jobs
Unemployment falls
625,000 jobs in 2 months.

Something about tax:

Every year an independant tax watchdog group analyzes the average tax burden on Americans, and then calculates the "Tax Freedom Day." This is the day after which the money you earn goes to you, not the gov't. This year, tax freedom day was on April 11th. That's the earliest it's been since 1991. The latest day ever was May 2nd, which occurred in 2000. Notice anything special about these dates? Today (June 9th) Kerry gave a speech in which he claimed Americans are actually paying more taxes under Bush, despite tax cuts. He gave no explanation and provided no data for this claim.

Another interesting fact:

Both George W. Bush and John Kerry are wealthy men. Bush owns only one home, his rance in Texas. John Kerry owns 4 mansions, all worth several million dollars. (His ski resort home in Idaho is an old barn brought over from Europe in pieces. Not your average A-frame)

Bush paid $250,000 in taxes this year; Kerry paid $90,000. Does this sound right?

The man who wants to raise your taxes obviously has figured out a way to avoid paying his own.

[‡AC‡]

i want Clinton back..you know you go it good when the biggest fuck up anyone remembers is a blowjob.

[KagomJack]

eh, Clinton was decent. But today at Reagan's second funeral Hillary was out cold and Bill was barely awake.

[Demosthenes]

I highly doubt I'd stay awake through an entire funeral.

[KagomJack]

If I can stay awake through the school's awards ceremony, I'm sure I could stay awake through a lot of things...

[Chruser]

Blah, blah, blah.
For the gay marriage part, the government defines a frame of rules. If they don't suit everyone, some people will want to get them changed. There are gays. They want gay marriage to be allowed. There are psychopath murderers. They want the society to allow you to kill anyone you want to for no apparent reason. I'm not comparing gays with murderers, I'm just saying that *somewhere*, there has to be a certain restriction for what members of society can and can't do. And the government sets this line, without anyone with the key in hand to know what's perfectly right for everyone. There is no such solution.

And KagomJack, really, I don't care. Bush makes the sole pronounciation of "The United States" to stink. And it takes effort to make a sound stink. He had his chance, and he should go. Kerry may not be much better, but at least he hasn't failed yet unlike others.

[KagomJack]

Kerry will fail. Kerry would try to negotiate with terrorists and he would let the terrorists have their way. Trust me, Kerry is a bad thing...

[!King_Amazon!]

If Kerry becomes president I fear we are doomed.

It would be like Chruser giving Zelaron to The1.

[Slim]

You've got it ass backwards !K_A! Kerry taking office woudl be like The1 giving Zelaron to Chruser. The1 and Bush are on about the same intelligence level.

[KagomJack]

Slim, face it, Kerry is an asshole who will make America messed up. Don't insult Bush Slim...it's not nice ;)

[Slim]

I'll put this in terms you can understand. Pimpiroth > Bush

[KagomJack]

I'll put this in better terms:

Bush > Pimpiroth
Bush > The1
Bush = better

[Slim]

You said better terms, not blatant lies.

[frickaline]

By the way, here's the current state of the draft legislation. Its fairly side-tracked for the time being. Not dead, but not doing much either.

-frick

S 89 Status
S.89
Title: A bill to provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Hollings, Ernest F. [SC] (introduced 1/7/2003) Cosponsors (None)
Related Bills: H.R.163
Latest Major Action: 1/7/2003 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Armed Services.
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STATUS: (color indicates Senate actions)
1/7/2003:
Read twice and referred to the Committee on Armed Services.

HR 163 Status
H.R.163
Title: To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep Rangel, Charles B. [NY-15] (introduced 1/7/2003) Cosponsors (14)
Related Bills: S.89
Latest Major Action: 2/3/2003 House committee/subcommittee actions. Status: Executive Comment Requested from DOD.
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STATUS: (color indicates Senate actions)
1/7/2003:
Referred to the House Committee on Armed Services.
2/3/2003:
Executive Comment Requested from DOD.
2/3/2003:
Referred to the Subcommittee on Total Force.

[Demosthenes]

Kerry will fail. Kerry would try to negotiate with terrorists and he would let the terrorists have their way. Trust me, Kerry is a bad thing...

How can you say that? In my eyes, not only has Bush failed the United States with his blatant lies of "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq, but he has failed the rest of the world as well by being a power-hungry warmonger. What baffles me is how you people can accuse Kerry of failing before he has even had a chance. I honestly don't know how great of a president he will be, but it would take a hell of a lot of effort to be a worse president than Mr. Bush.

[!King_Amazon!]

I want you to list me EXACTLY what bush has done wrong instead of calling him a "power hungry warmonger" and all that bullshit you keep babbling.

[Slim]

Besides give the US our largest national deficit in history and start a pointless war in Iraq?

[Demosthenes]

I want you to list me EXACTLY what bush has done wrong instead of calling him a "power hungry warmonger" and all that bullshit you keep babbling.

I have listed it a numerous number of times.

Here it is again:
http://www.zelaron.com/forum/showthread.php?p=390382&post390382

[KagomJack]

Look, the only reason John Kerry would fail is because he is one of those people who goes "I believe in what you believe!" He is also very 2 faced. Besides, the terrorists want him as prez so they can get away with more shit.

[Slim]

Kagom, quit assuming stupid shit. Bush makes this country look like a big pile of dog shit, there is no way in hell anyone could do worse. The man is a complete and utter moron.

[KagomJack]

No, trust me. It's a gut feeling. Kerry would not only fuck up this country, but would be the result of the US becoming some other country's bitch.

[Demosthenes]

No, trust me. It's a gut feeling. Kerry would not only fuck up this country, but would be the result of the US becoming some other country's bitch.

You're going to determine the quality of leadership of a possible future president on a gut feeling?

[Slim]

Yes, because gut feelings are always better than cold hard facts.

[KagomJack]

It's not just that. The things I"ve read about him...it's that and the gut feelings. I usually trust my gut feelings.

[Demosthenes]

It's not just that. The things I"ve read about him...it's that and the gut feelings. I usually trust my gut feelings.

My gut feeling told me to kill someone a while ago...

Bet that'd be a good thing to trust.

[KagomJack]

laugh all you want. Kerry would just try to negotiate with the terrorists, and then they'd attack us anyway and he'd go "Well, we did all we could." JFK would be spinning in his grave if Kerry was to be prez.

[Slim]

He's spinning in his grave at the moment because of Bush making a mockery of what it is to be preisdent.

[Sovereign]

UNfortunatly, more people at this point want peace, and will probably go with him.

[KagomJack]

Ok, why is John Kerry the better choice? Can you give me cold hard evidence that John Kerry could help our country? Shit, I'm sure JFK would prefer Bush over Kerry any day.

[Slim]

I don't even know why this war is still going on. All we did was bomb the hell out of a country on a speculation, totally pointless.

[Demosthenes]

laugh all you want. Kerry would just try to negotiate with the terrorists, and then they'd attack us anyway and he'd go "Well, we did all we could." JFK would be spinning in his grave if Kerry was to be prez.

Honestly, all you know about Kerry is what you've read. Many of the papers you will read are biased, and blindly following a gut feeling that Kerry will sell out simply exemplifies immaturity. I'll keep my mind open to that possibility, but I'm not going to base my opinion of a man on what I think he might do.

[Sovereign]

I was supportive when he went in at first. But now, im starting to agree. Get the fuck out. There is no more point to stay. Appoint some govnt, and LEAVE

[KagomJack]

Yeah, and what we read about Bush isn't biased? Seriously, no matter what you read is going to be biased. I have read things about Kerry from independant sources.

[Demosthenes]

He's spinning in his grave at the moment because of Bush making a mockery of what it is to be preisdent.

The founding fathers are spinning in their graves because he's making a mockery of our Bill of Rights with his patriot act.

[Slim]

Kagom, MJordan has posted a link telling why Bush flat out sucks several times. I suggest you click it and find out why Kerry would make a better president.

[Demosthenes]

Yeah, and what we read about Bush isn't biased? Seriously, no matter what you read is going to be biased. I have read things about Kerry from independant sources.

Yes, but we've also experienced what Bush has done. I'm basing my decision on facts, not a "gut feeling," as you stated.

[KagomJack]

I didn't agree with the Patriot Act. The thing is, I'm not pro-Bush, but I prefer Bush over Kerry.

[frickaline]

I support Kerry, but since I live in Massachusetts, that is to be expected. Due to the electoral system and the fact that Massachusetts will most certainly fall to Kerry, my vote will be nearly useless.

Bush has angered me time and time again as follows:
- tightening laws on abortion rights
- preventing stem cell research for the fighting of disease
- pulling out of the anti-ballistic missile treaty
- failing to participate in the Kyoto treaty negotiations (for global warming management)
- failing to participate in the International War Crimes tribunal negotiations
- lying to the American public about the existance of WMDs
- making it legal to destroy more and more of this nations forests
- appointing people like Gail Norton, Donald Rumsfeld and John Ashcroft (who I can create different lists for)
- making enemies with half the world
- destroying the middle east peace efforts of Carter and Clinton that were close to success
- tax breaks such as estate tax and dividends that are geared primarily toward the rich
- and finally...for bringing religion into government in DIRECT opposition to the principal of separation between church and state which the country was founded on.

I ask you to consider this list before deciding your vote.

-frick

[Sovereign]

Yup, bush IS a dumbfuck. It's been well established.

[KagomJack]

Something about tax:

Every year an independant tax watchdog group analyzes the average tax burden on Americans, and then calculates the "Tax Freedom Day." This is the day after which the money you earn goes to you, not the gov't. This year, tax freedom day was on April 11th. That's the earliest it's been since 1991. The latest day ever was May 2nd, which occurred in 2000. Notice anything special about these dates? Today (June 9th) Kerry gave a speech in which he claimed Americans are actually paying more taxes under Bush, despite tax cuts. He gave no explanation and provided no data for this claim.

Another interesting fact:

Both George W. Bush and John Kerry are wealthy men. Bush owns only one home, his rance in Texas. John Kerry owns 4 mansions, all worth several million dollars. (His ski resort home in Idaho is an old barn brought over from Europe in pieces. Not your average A-frame)

Bush paid $250,000 in taxes this year; Kerry paid $90,000. Does this sound right?

The man who wants to raise your taxes obviously has figured out a way to avoid paying his own.

[Demosthenes]

I didn't agree with the Patriot Act. The thing is, I'm not pro-Bush, but I prefer Bush over Kerry.

You're settling. I refuse to settle for something as important as the leadership over the most powerful country in the world. Bush, in my eyes, has failed; Kerry has not. I am willing to take a gamble, and a pretty good gamble at that looking at how horridly Bush has failed, on Kerry, instead of settling with another lacklustered four years.

[KagomJack]

Look, I don't agree with the Patriot act, but that's one of the very few things I disagree with when it comes to Bush. I wouldn't trust Kerry at all. I know you don't give a shit about my gut feelings, etc. But I don't think it would be a good gamble at all.

[Demosthenes]

Then you're settling.

[frickaline]

Something about tax:

Every year an independant tax watchdog group analyzes the average tax burden on Americans, and then calculates the "Tax Freedom Day." This is the day after which the money you earn goes to you, not the gov't. This year, tax freedom day was on April 11th. That's the earliest it's been since 1991. The latest day ever was May 2nd, which occurred in 2000. Notice anything special about these dates? Today (June 9th) Kerry gave a speech in which he claimed Americans are actually paying more taxes under Bush, despite tax cuts. He gave no explanation and provided no data for this claim.

Another interesting fact:

Both George W. Bush and John Kerry are wealthy men. Bush owns only one home, his rance in Texas. John Kerry owns 4 mansions, all worth several million dollars. (His ski resort home in Idaho is an old barn brought over from Europe in pieces. Not your average A-frame)

Bush paid $250,000 in taxes this year; Kerry paid $90,000. Does this sound right?

The man who wants to raise your taxes obviously has figured out a way to avoid paying his own.

lol.

Federal and State taxes are based on income, dude, not property. Please research your information prior to posting and misleading others.

-frick