View Full Version : Should same-sex couples raise children?
Jessifer
2004-01-20, 11:44 AM
Aah...touchy subjects. Love them.
I found (ie, was given a link to) a topic similar to this on a message board. The original question started out as "Are there advantages to same-sex couples having kids?", but a majority of the responses talked about how homosexuality was a sin/sick/gross/a perversion/ect, with no real answer for the question that was asked in the beginning. Most of the posts that I did read said that same-sex couples shouldn't even have children. And hence, from reading that board, I decided to ask the members of Zel.
Question number one:
Should same-sex couples be allowed to raise children?
Question number two:
Do you think there are any advantages to same-sex couples raising children?
And I ask you to please explain your answers. Give input, people...Not just one word answers.
DaFrigginDoctah
2004-01-20, 12:33 PM
Question number one:
Should same-sex couples be allowed to raise children?
That really depends on the couple. Some same-sex couples shouldn't have the right to even be around children, just like some heterosexual couples shouldn't. Some do, some dont, there is no yes or no. The results of the upbringing of the child depends strictly on that, on the upbringing of the child, not on the sexual preferences of the parents. Yes, parents have a lot of influence over developing minds, however who's to say what influences are good and which are bad? Who's to determine which will have negative effects on the child when they mature, and which will have positive, or nuetral?
Question number two:
Do you think there are any advantages to same-sex couples raising children?
Again, that would depend on the parents. I dont want to generalize, so I'll just leave it at that.
Thanatos
2004-01-20, 01:44 PM
You've got to be thinking about the kid. You know how much crap he/she is going to be put through? I really don't care as long as I'm not the kid, heh.
I dont think same-sex should raise kids, it could confuse the kid, other kids would pick on them also.
DaFrigginDoctah
2004-01-20, 02:58 PM
That just builds character. It'd give him skin like a Rhino.
Adrenachrome
2004-01-20, 02:58 PM
I think DFD hit the nail on the head, I think there are certain situations where the child could be brought up normally, but in general I think it would lead to a very hard life for the kid.
Penny_Bags
2004-01-20, 03:21 PM
I think god/nature/whatever power you answer to didn't intend it. No matter which theory or philosophy you look at, creation or evolution, it isn't intended, and thereby shouldnt happen.
Georgy bush says were goin to the moon!
Jessifer
2004-01-20, 07:46 PM
Yeah, I agree with what DFD said myself. There are some hetero couples that should never have children, and likewise there may be some same-sex couples that aren't fit to have them either. But if the couple is able to provide a healthy life and enviroment for the child, then by all means they should be able to raise children. And if the people in question are the types to push their lifestyles and beliefs upon people, they shouln't be able to care for a child either.
Also, if the couple is honest with the child from the begining, and make sure that the child knows that being in a same-sex relationship isn't wrong, then I really don't think that the child would have a bad life. Besides, a majority of kids get picked on anyway, sometimes for no reason at all.
Kids are cruel.
EX-Mania
2004-01-20, 07:50 PM
I don't think they could, the child would be raised with homosexuality is ok, not that it isn't but it could easily play around with nature so i'd say no. Also the kid would be made fun of with the "two dads and a chemistry set" joke thing... the kid wouldn't be able to handle it and neither would the community around if this gets serious because im sure alot of kids would be raised to be gay if this happened.. or les ect
Well I believe that same sexed couples should be able to come within 100 yards of kids, because if they aren't in the right state of mind to couple up with the right sex then what makes you think that they should be able be around childrenJust the thought of some homosexual or lesbians fondoling their 'child' is just disturbing.
No, I don't see that there is any benefit at all, in retrospective they're getting hurt more than they're being helped. Ok, they may get picked on, ok ok put that out of the way. Say that a young girl is on her period and she has two dads I know that they're feminine but damn, they're not gonna be able to explain the 'facts of life' ... And lets say that a young boy has two moms, How the hell will he be able to grow up right? Building a fire, Learning to Throw a football, Hit a baseball, Instead he will be learning how to tap dance and paint his fingernails, ... Samesexed couples is wrong, and having children involved just makes the process of gay couples even worse.
Jessifer
2004-01-20, 08:05 PM
Well I believe that same sexed couples should be able to come within 100 yards of kids, because if they aren't in the right state of mind to couple up with the right sex then what makes you think that they should be able be around childrenJust the thought of some homosexual or lesbians fondoling their 'child' is just disturbing.
No, I don't see that there is any benefit at all, in retrospective they're getting hurt more than they're being helped. Ok, they may get picked on, ok ok put that out of the way. Say that a young girl is on her period and she has two dads I know that they're feminine but damn, they're not gonna be able to explain the 'facts of life' ... And lets say that a young boy has two moms, How the hell will he be able to grow up right? Building a fire, Learning to Throw a football, Hit a baseball, Instead he will be learning how to tap dance and paint his fingernails, ... Samesexed couples is wrong, and having children involved just makes the process of gay couples even worse.
Personally, I have never heard about a homosexual being charged with molesting a child. You really only hear about hetero males being charged with such crimes. And priests, but priests are fucked in the head anyway, considering it was the churched that banned homosexuality in the first place. It used to be a normal thing that happened until the Church got involved.
I'm getting off topic. Anyway, why couldn't a dad explain to his daughter why she's bleeding? I mean yeah, save for the embarrassment factor, he should know what's going on to begin with, shouldn't he? Don't they teach the female menstrual cycle to men in sex education? I thought they did. But if they don't know how to explain it, what's so wrong with asking someone else to explain it?
EX-Mania
2004-01-20, 08:22 PM
another thing to consider is a child is the gift you get for being coupled the way you are physically designed to do. its the result of love (usually) and in my oppinion its the way it should stay... i dont hate 2 gay male parents or 2 les parents but i think they are stripping the kid of something they could have if they were raised by parents who are of the opposite sex... oh and also... i know gay male molesters... one tried to get me while i was younger (dodged his curious... hand) but still and i also heard stories of people who did things (they were also gay) and later i heard about the same person in the news ect... gay doesnt mean molestors by default but if they cant find a partner (im sure it'd be hard for embarrassed gays to admit it) then they'll go for kids... btw im sure 2 gay male partners wouldnt go for kids.. they have eachother
Personally, I have never heard about a homosexual being charged with molesting a child.
Catholic priests anyone?
Penguin
2004-01-21, 07:07 AM
Catholic priests anyone?
No thanks! Im jewish!
not really.....
No thanks! Im jewish!
not really.....
Well, Micheal jackson is clearly a homosexual and he has molested hundreds of little boys. And Why don't you think that you hear about these cases of the kids being molested? Because the parents are in it together dumbasses, they harm their children and convince the child that it is ok....There are some sick fuckers, literally child fuckers, in this world.
Penny_Bags
2004-01-21, 02:38 PM
[No Proof]Well, Micheal jackson is clearly a homosexual and he has molested hundreds of little boys. And Why don't you think that you hear about these cases of the kids being molested? Because the parents are in it together dumbasses, they harm their children and convince the child that it is ok....There are some sick fuckers, literally child fuckers, in this world.[/no proof]..........
Same sex couple having children... What kind of sick bastard would want to put children throught crap like this ?
Vollstrecker
2004-01-21, 06:52 PM
Same sex couple having children... What kind of sick bastard would want to put children throught crap like this ?
If they're young children, they wouldn't know any different, Kuja. That doesn't really respond to either question either...
1.) DFD has it right. It depends completely upon the people for parenting skills. As far as other children teasing them, I really would not like to be the child. Children are downright cruel.
2.) On the bright side, you know they didn't get married just because one of them got pregnant, so it'd have a higher chance of a loving parental unit. The child has less of a chance to grow up a homophobe.
Oh, yeah it sure wouldnt matter... Maybe you heard of school ? You know how children can be to each other. And maybe those things they have to write about family ? "Well me and my 2 father went fishing last week-end" You have any idea how humiliated the kid would be like ? Do you have any idea what kind of horrible life the child would get ? Same sex couples should just be euthanized. It's a psychological disorder and letting them have children would only destroy the kid life.
!King_Amazon!
2004-01-21, 07:49 PM
Yeah, I'd just love to wake up in the middle of the night to get something to drink and see my one of my parents ass banging the other.
Vollstrecker
2004-01-22, 01:20 AM
Oh, yeah it sure wouldnt matter... Maybe you heard of school ? You know how children can be to each other. And maybe those things they have to write about family ? "Well me and my 2 father went fishing last week-end" You have any idea how humiliated the kid would be like ? Do you have any idea what kind of horrible life the child would get ? Same sex couples should just be euthanized. It's a psychological disorder and letting them have children would only destroy the kid life.
Well, first of all, they could explain it to the child as 1 being the father and the other being an Uncle or something. The kid doesn't absolutely need to know that his "parents" are a gay couple. When the kid is older, they can reveal that as they see fit. In some ways, it could be similar to bringing up an adopted child in a hetero family...
I never said school would be a wonderful life. I merely said as a younger child, they really wouldn't know the difference. As an older child they might, but then, if they know, they're old enough to think for themselves.
Jessifer
2004-01-22, 10:37 AM
Yeah, I'd just love to wake up in the middle of the night to get something to drink and see my one of my parents ass banging the other.
If the couple doesn't have the decency to have sex privately, then they shouldn't have a child anyway. Besides, the same could be said if you were going to get a drink and you saw your dad banging your mom in the ass.
Also, I'm not saying that there aren't homosexual creeps out there, there probably are. But some of you are talking as if all homosexuals are sex-craved indecent maniacs, which isn't true. A lot of homosexuals are actually quite normal. Some you wouldn't even think were gay.
If the child were adopted or born into an actual loving home, with understanding parents who were easy to talk to, I believe that they would thrive there. Life outside the home may be a bit rocky during the adolescent stage, but life inside the home would be like a sanctuary. Hell, the couple could even teach the child a few things to say if they were picked on.
Dar_Win
2004-01-22, 11:58 AM
1.should they be aloud to? well it depends... if they are responsible, probably.
2.Is there any advantage? No... i think its a disadvantage... would you like to be adopted, be raised by parents that are the same sex, and go around with them in public, and tell your friends that your parents are gay... it will follow you till you they die... tell who your married to that your parents are gay... then tell his/her family that your parrents are gay....
!King_Amazon!
2004-01-22, 04:35 PM
Ok, well to put things in a better way, I'd be creeped out seeing my fathers kiss.
Jamesadin
2004-01-22, 05:24 PM
The should be able to do it, but I personally believe that certain things can only be tought by a mother and a father.
!King_Amazon!
2004-01-22, 06:01 PM
Kids learn from their parents, and same sex marriage isn't something we want to teach them.
Penny_bags, I can't believe that you don't realize that there isn't any proof that he is a homosexual, are you retarted? Jesus christ, if you watched that interview he himself/himself (micheal jackson) said he/she slept with the children in his/her bed ... Thats fuckign gross, and I agree with K_A we shouldn't treat our children this sort of thing, I mean if you really think about it, its wrong.
Jessifer
2004-01-23, 10:42 AM
You realize that the only reason you're stuck on these sort of opinions is because you didn't grow up being taught that it was okay. Granted...I didn't grow up being taught that it was okay either, but I think it's just fine. So it could all just be a state of mind, I suppose. Hm.
!King_Amazon!
2004-01-23, 02:01 PM
If everyone in the world were gay, the human race would cease to exist. It's obvious to me that it's wrong.
Jessifer
2004-01-23, 03:42 PM
Point taken. But the fact is that something like that would never happen. So why worry about the few people who do decide to become gay? IMHO, gays adopting children is a great way to reduce the number of parentless children whose birth parents otherwise didn't want or couldn't provide for gave up for adoption. Granted, there are homosexuals out there who shouldn't have children...But there are also heterosexuals that should never have children.
!King_Amazon!
2004-01-23, 04:08 PM
Yeah, and why should we worry about the people who decide to mooch off of other people instead of getting jobs? And why should we worry about the people who murder people? Why should we worry about the people who rape people? Why should we worry about the people who run slave companies across seas? It's fine as long as everyone isn't doing it.
Jessifer
2004-01-23, 05:43 PM
And since when did being gay have anything to do with any of those?
Jakarta
2004-01-23, 06:13 PM
Since I promised Jess I would post something if the topic got to be (a little) popular, here we go..
Being raised in a southern Baptist family, I was taught that homosexuality was wrong, interracial marriage was wrong, women aren't people and should be subservient to their husbands, and other such nonsense.
However, I was a smart child and learned things the way everybody, imho, should: By observation.
Love between two consenting people is a wonderful thing, and it should not matter whether or not it is between two men or two women, a white man and a black women, mexicans and asians, anything. The only objection I could make would be something sick and twisted, like a grown man making a young teen think she loved him, but that isn't quite the point I'm trying to make.
Now, when a man and a woman want children, but are unable due to problems with the reproductive organs, they have several options open to them. Nobody objects when they want to have kids, even if they are bad people.
When a homosexual couple want to have kids, they have fewer options. Both the gays and lesbians can adopt, or the lesbians can get artificially inseminated. But many people immediately object, because they do not think it would be good for the child, even if the people are good.
To make this short, just because they are gay doesn't mean they are bad parents, and just because they are straight doesn't mean they are good parents. Mine certainly weren't good. I would rather have two moms or two dads that were loving and caring than mine, who are very hateful people and only stand me because they consider it their legal responsibility.
I would never deny a persons right to be happy. My best friend is gay, and its terrible that she is going to have to experience such prejudices in life, but I wouldn't want her to get married to some guy she could never be happy with..
Well, I suppose I've rambled long enough, and if I continue I'll lose sight of the original topic..
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