Your Opinion

[D3V]

Do you think that a Mod/Admin , etc. (staff member) should be De-Modded, or Dethroned if his/her beliefs do not reflect the beliefs of this website?

[Sovereign]

The staff of zelaron, or for that matter the staff of anything, are always entitled to their opinion. This is protected by constitutional law.

What the staff thinks and says reflects on zelaron as a whole. If we have a nazi as a news poster for example, to allow him or her to rant off with racial slurs and racial comments would make zel look bad. If we were to allow a racist person to stay in "power", people might get the impression that the staff supports racism.

[DaFrigginDoctah]

Why not just clone a single, hum-drum human being, and have them all be the mods and admins?

[Demosthenes]

No.

If their beliefs don't match the opinions of zelaron as a whole so be it...they are entitled to their own opinion. It's like saying...if a member here doesn't share the same beliefs as the rest of the forum should he be banned?

That could lead 2 trouble for you.

[Sovereign]

Lets say you own a business or a company. Lets say one of your head bosses feels inclined to yell out "NIGGERS SUCK" or something of the sort. WHat would YOU do? WOuld you allow him to keep his job, starting all this contrevorsy and arguements between african americans and the staff of the business? Or would you just lay him off.

Zelaron is like a mini company. YOu want to attract visitors. Somebody yelling "KILL THE JEWS" or "FUCK ALL NIGGERS" will NOT make people want to stay. It will make people want to high tail it and go to another more FRIENDLY forum.

[!King_Amazon!]

I think it attracts members actually, people get pissed off when they read something like that, so they register and flame the person.

[D3V]

Exactly, I think that Zel members should be allowed to post their opinions in the flame forums where it is supposed to be. But when it spreads into other forums it should be disallowed and cut off.

[Mantralord]

In Florida, if your business has 15 or less employees, it is legal to discriminate against race/sex or anything. However, almost all small businesses don't do that anyway because it has a bad image.

[Jamesadin]

Ive been on the staff for over a year and a half now. You need to learn that on the staff you are representing zelaron as a whole. You shouldn't type racial profanity, becuase that reflects the website in a negative light. I think Sovereign said it best with the company statment. When you become a staff member, thats one of the responsibilitys which you hold... And I back it up 100%

[zagggon]

Yeah it sounds as if you are obligated once you become a mod/Admin...

[!King_Amazon!]

Well, I don't understand why it shouldn't be allowed even in the flame forum by mods. If we don't want zelaron to look bad, maybe we should just get rid of the flame forum all together. It's not just the staff that represent Zelaron, all the members do too.

Also, D3V isn't the only one that talks like that in the flame forum, I do it often too, yet nobody says anything to me.

[Demosthenes]

I say it all the time...unfortunately not enough of the higher members agree with me

[Titusfied]

D3V lost his News Poster position for reflecting the Zelaron Staff image extremely poorly. He expressed his racist remarks outside the Flame Forum, and continued with it in there, just to be a smartass. The decision was the correct one, and that is that.

Of course everyone can say waht they want here, but that doesn't mean you will get away with it. If you flame outside the Flame Forum, you aren't violating your constitutional right to do so, but you are breaking the rules made by the authority of this forum, and you will be banned, or punished in a certain fashion.

D3V is not representative of the Staff, and never has been. It was a terrible mistake to even have considered him as a News Poster, and it is one that will not be made again.

[DrowningOnAir]

Ouch, Titus lays down the law!

I think they should be de-modded in certain cases. Cases that involve Racism and stuff, that's not good.

[RoboticSilence]

I think continuing after a warning should result in immediate revoking of position or temp ban.

[Demosthenes]

Yea...but what if you were to only express racist remarks in the flame forum...would that also be basis 2 have your staff position revoked?

[RoboticSilence]

If you express those in the flame forum then there's no reason to be warned. What I'm saying is that D3V was warned for posting things ouside of the flame forum and he didn't stop.

[Demosthenes]

fair enough then...i thought his news poster position was taken away from him because of the remarks he made in the flame forum.

[Kuja]

I dont think the problem is really that D3V is racist. I beleive everyone can have their opinions. It's that he bitch like a dumbass and has absolutely no manner in the way he express himself. With the way he post about things. I doubt he even have any respect for himself.

[!King_Amazon!]

From your grammar, I would infer that you're a nigger.

Is that racist?

[Demosthenes]

yes

[Kuja]

From your grammar, I would infer that you're a nigger.

Is that racist?
Nah, it would be you again trying to be a smartass. And without any suprise, failing miserably.

[WetWired]

Just to clear up something, freedom of speach means you can't be put in jail,etc. by the government for what you say. It also allows you to stand in public places and shout your mind, or push pamphlets, as long as you aren't violating other laws in the proccess. However, this does not extend to private property. An entity can sue you for your "freedom of speach" actions on their property. They can also choose to have you escorted off their property for any or no reason. Zelaron is the private property of Chruser.
As for any employment laws, those apply to positions that generate an income; all positions at Zelaron are unpaid.
All that said, we try keep the forums fairly open as far as topics of discussion, and try to always ban, staff, and de-staff based on clear reasons based on stated or obvious expectations. Perhaps this case wasn't so obvious, but as has been stated, it is an issue of image. You're still allowed to express your views in the flame forum without fear of serious retaliation. D3V was de-staffed for doing so outside the flame forum.

[sheerx]

I believe mod's/sup mod's (as well as member's) opinions should be expressed because it's the whole point of a forums website. Hearing different people's opinions is the most important part

[D3V]

Actually, I didn't post any 'racist' remarks outside of the flame forum. And if I did, and I got 'in trouble' and K-A just did in thsi thread, you won't say shit to him... how retarted it that?

[!King_Amazon!]

It's very retarded, I've brought it up that I've done the same thing you do, yet nothing happens to me. They just like picking on you I guess.

[Demosthenes]

you dont do it to the extent that dev does

[Titusfied]

!K_A!, just shut your mouth. You've been de-modded before for less, and you've continued and continued to bitch about it. Don't go around talking about how people are biased towards other members and all that shit, because its just not the case. D3V deserved what he got, end of story.

[D3V]

But the thing was I didn't do anything wrong. I've seen other members do alot worse but they won't have anything done to them, and what happened to me was I did it in the flame forum, where it was allowed. ( IF i'm not mistakened the title of the Flame forum says, NO Ethnic rules are applied here, Flame anyone, or anything that you want )

Now, with that said, I kept within the rules, I called somebody a nigger, the staff doesn't agree with it, so they de-staff me. Now, I don't see how that reflects Zelaron.com at all, because I didn't go around saying that All of the staff hates blacks, in which they don't.

I didn't deserve anything but to be argued with, not closure of my threads by RS and de-staffed by titusfied.

This is corrupt....

[Kuja]

If you cant understand how a staff of Zelaron can reflect what ppl think of the forum. It would mean you shouldnt even have been part of staff in the first place because you aint mature enought.

[D3V]

Well if that is the case, than I can't understand how you got a mod spot. Your blowing the whole thing out of proportion.