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Kuja
2003-11-05, 12:06 PM
I dont see how someone can say Kuja is Girly.

Well let's go for a big post.

About the hair, long hair doesn't mean girly !
Im sure no one can disagree with that !
Sephiroth got long hair you ppl call him girly ?
I dont think so.

Makeup, yup Kuja has a bit of makeup but then again there is two reason that can explain this. In the animal world, predators use appearance to frighten prey. The tiger, for example, uses stripes. This is a form of psychological offense on the opponent. The red eyeshadow that Kuja wears could create a malevolent effect around his eyes, where red symbolises blood and fierceness to the subconscious mind. Anyway how do we know he wasnt born that way ?

The skin, while it it true Kuja skin is very white in some FMV. This doesn't somehow mean that he's girly. Many of FFIX's characters have pale skin. So Kuja is a tad bit whiter than the others. He's a sorcerer! He doesn't need to go out in the sun to practice magic!

The armour, This aint a boob tube or bikini or anything like that. The top thing Kuja wears is ARMOR. If you look at any picture im sure you can see, it is metallic and very plated looking underneath.

His *Half-Cape*, i have but no idea how to call it. It's the thing suspended by the belts from the hip down. The flowing cape is obviously to hide the fact that he's a genome (his tail). Why is the front bit... bare? Freedom of movement! if he was drenched in tight clothes or metallic armor around the legs too, he won't have the comfort and the speed necessary to avoid blows. He's a sorcerer and doesn't engage in close combat. Therefore speed is preferable to defense. If Kuja was clad in as much clanking plate and mail as Steiner, do you think that Kuja could levitate and move around as quickly?

Yes he wears a thong. All Alexandrian soldiers wear thongs. Ok, so argue that most of these soldiers are female. What about Blank? At least Kuja wears cape-ish thing. Blank has nothing covering his blinking white arse!


His sleeves, Kuja is a sorcerer, not a fighter, he doesn't use his arms the way Zidane does. If Kuja opted to have metallic mail all over his arms, how the hell is he supposed to balance himself with the arms being heavier than the rest of him?

Sorcery = extensive waving of arms. The sleeves add to the overall coolness of casting. He's also got some metal plate thing around his wrist. So Kuja opted for comfort, style and speed, instead of slowing down agility.

The boots, looks like it's made from light but strong material. Kuja doesn't need anything more, cos Kuja doesn't hike. He rides his Nova Dragon or cruising airship.

Kuja gear is not girly. Revealing maybe, but the style is considerate of what he does (running around to cause havoc, destroy, etc).

Sorcerers generally don't look macho anyway. Just accept that he also dresses for beauty and flair.

He is poetic, So Kuja is very poetic. Is there a problem whit that ? Kuja is not like other wild brutes who kill for no particular reason. He isn't stupid. He talks poetically, not everyone may understand. He has a grand way with words. Now some people might call that girly. Im sure some ppl here wouldnt still be using their left hand as sex partner if they were at least a little poetic.
Poetic = girly?
Are you guyz saying that we man are literary impotent ?
I never saw anyone call Shakespear girly !

Palace, Kuja palace is girly ? I dont think so. It may look very elaborate and not the usual hovel. The massiveness of the place is supposed to trap unwary and unwelcome visitors. The high ceilings, transparent staircases, puzzles and dead ends are all a huge maze within Kuja's Desert Palace. And to top it all off, the whole palace is sumberged in quicksand. You can't get anymore fortified than that. The furnishings would often reflect what kind of person you are. In this case, it's very elegant and high class, like the palaces of *powerful people*.

Girly or Intelectual ?
If you picked the first answer you just said man cant be intelectual ...
So intelectual he is !

Gender check, Kuja is undoubtedly a guy, as his creator stated. He specifically told Zidane that Kuja was his "brother", while "sister" would have been appropriate if Kuja was a girl.

He still maintains the trait of all genomes, that is the tail and the hourglass figure. Even Zidane has an hourglass figure. About the waist, if you have a waist like that you could be a guy, girl or a it, you'd most likely want to show it off.

Love, when kuja say "I must say...I truly love you all."
Im sure anyone decent enought to understand what this mean will know it s nothing sexual it's about Zidane party having done stuff for Kuja. After all they did do everything Kuja planned.

Also, "Yes, an act from a beautiful play... There is a knight on a white horse... ...and a beautiful princess. It is a tale of tragic love. Overcome by grief, the princess must sleep for a hundred years..." (Alexandria Castle)

The white knight is Zidane and the princess is Garnet, so in no way it even refer to Kuja.


Well here it conclude my post enjoy the reading.

Rurouni Storm
2003-11-05, 06:55 PM
Kuja is definitely not girly. I'd consider him more eccentric.

He's definitely a more interesting villain than Seifer or Ultimecia.

RoboticSilence
2003-11-05, 06:57 PM
Kefka... bah.
I find Kuja to be effeminate but I don't take it against him because Square has an "Effeminate Male Villains" fetish and I'm used to it.

Raziel
2003-11-06, 12:13 AM
He's definitely a more interesting villain than Seifer or Ultimecia.


...or Sephiroth, or Seymour, or Garland, or The Emperor, or Exdeath, or Golbez, or Kefka...

And there's nothing wrong with a guy wearing a thong. All of the members of GWAR wear thongs, and they destroy planets for fun!

Kuja`s #1
2003-11-06, 04:22 PM
Way to tell'em kuja! These losers don't understand Kuja.

I believe he called his dragon "Silver Dragon" though. I take this fact from a line I remember him speaking when he arrives at the Lifa(I could never tell how it was spelled except for the last three letters) Tree. I believe it was like "Silver Dragon, let us watch the scene unfold from the trunk." Bah! I can't remember all of it, just that first part.

Seymour was put in hastilly Raziel. He was suplied so that FFX had a villain. You couldn't call Sin a very important villain, because he couldn't pop-up everywhere. You were supposed to really fight him at the end of the game and Square wanted someone in the game to take the role as "important villain." He would've been way cooler if Square wasn't just looking for a supliment villain.

Rurouni Storm
2003-11-06, 08:49 PM
In a way, I'd call Seymour a mere avatar of Sin. Now, Sin was a pretty cool villain in it's own way. You had no idea what motivated it or how it decided where to strike.

Raziel
2003-11-06, 10:59 PM
Lifa(I could never tell how it was spelled except for the last three letters) Tree.

It's spelled I-I-F-A. Pronunciation: ee-fuh. The first letter is a capitalized "i". Like "Iai Strike." It's not "Lai Strike," like most people seem to think.

And I wasn't criticizing Seymour, Kuja`s. I put him in the same list as Golbez and Kefka, therefore I wasn't singling him out. Kuja is a better villain than all of the bad guys I listed, and I know you agree with me. Frankly, I don't know much about Seymour aside from the fact that he has a really lame haircut and the voice actor that portrayed him was terrible. For all I know, he could be much cooler than I remember, considering it was almost two years ago that I last watched anyone play the game. My memory is that he was a pansy, but I could be wrong. Either way, he's not better than Kuja.

OmniFalcon
2003-11-07, 12:24 PM
KUJA = A GUY
KUJA = NOT A GIRL
KUJA = LOOKS LIKE A GIRL
KUJA = some1 u dont wanna mess with until u kill Deathguise?
KUJA = hes one baddass guy cuz HE DESTROYS A WHOLE FREAKING PLANET IN ff9 JESUS CHRIST

Kuja
2003-11-07, 03:09 PM
KUJA = LOOKS LIKE A GIRL


I dont think he does look like a girl i already knew when i first saw and i explained reason about his outfit.

Post something to backup what your saying.

Kuja`s #1
2003-11-07, 09:21 PM
He doesn't have anything to back-up what he says. Now that he read what you posted, he feels stupid and ashamed. KOOL!

What's up with the feather? I am pretty sure it's a feather. You know what I mean. I guess it was just an addition.

I think if it was a feather, that when he transformed into Trance Kuja, it should've got blown off or something.

Kuja
2003-11-07, 09:46 PM
Yes it s a feather. If you look at a picture you can tell it s not something he added in his hair it's part of his head ;)

Kuja
2003-11-07, 10:15 PM
Also in trance many say that Kuja look like a bird.

Kuja`s #1
2003-11-07, 10:29 PM
Huh.... Part of his head? Maybe because he was defective...

He does look like a bird from that point-of-view, but in scenes like when he first transforms into Trance Kuja he looks totally sweet!

Kuja
2003-11-07, 10:47 PM
You can clearly see that after trance there is more feathers.
So he's not defective it's his design.


http://www.rpgplanet.com/ff9/site/images/kujah.jpg
http://www.rpgplanet.com/ff9/site/images/kujah2.jpg
http://www.rpgplanet.com/ff9/site/images/kujah3.jpg
http://www.rpgplanet.com/ff9/site/images/166.jpg
http://www.rpgplanet.com/ff9/site/images/168.jpg

Kuja`s #1
2003-11-07, 10:55 PM
Well then why didn't all the other genomes have feathers?

Kuja
2003-11-07, 11:29 PM
For the same reason that Kuja, Zidane and Mikoto are diff. they have diff design.
Kuja is a spellcaster.
Zidane is a fighter.
Mikoto is a ??.

Also genome are all the same as start. They do their regular training untill they are given a soul. They either transform or get modified when they get their soul.

Kuja`s #1
2003-11-08, 12:11 AM
Mikoto would probably be a spell caster. She doesn't seem like a physically strong....genome. She also has an attitude like a magic caster. That sounds weird, but I believe it to be true.

Cerridwen
2003-11-08, 04:38 AM
Why Kuja has feathers?! I also find myself glossing over this weird fact. He has designs on his armor/bathing suit/bikinicostume that calls to mind wings. I got really scared when he became Trance Kuja and became even more feathery. But he turned red....could it mean that he's reborn as a god...like a Phoenix bursting free from its cradle of ashes?!
(Super Saiyajin 4 is what comes to mind....XD)

Kuja may look effeminate, but he's got to be the most charismatic villain I've ever met in an FF game. And those clothes...that poetic way of speaking...that superb desert palace...not to mention his other really kick @$$ attributes...combine to make him the perfect gentleman villain with this suave elegance only few other villains could be found guilty of. Kuja is just elegance personified. PERIOD. That was just the way he is.

And why Kuja wears that skirt? I think he wants to hide the fact that he was a genome who used to be Garland's puppet, and his tail was very embarassing for him to have. If I had a tail like that, I'd be very embarassed about it too. And because Garland made him out to be a defect, that's why Kuja hated his tail's existence even more, striving to become a god himself and laying judgment on Bran Bal and Gaia.

Go, KUJA~~~~!!! ^o^

Kuja
2003-11-08, 08:11 AM
Maybe because he was defective...

Garland
"I constructed the Genomes to be vessels for the souls of the people of Terra when they awaken."
"But 24 years ago, I gave life to a Genome that was very much like you."
"His will was too strong to make him into a proper vessel, and I even considered discarding him."
"But then I thought that I should put his strength to use."
"I sent that Genome as my servant, to disrupt the cycle of souls on Gaia."

Zidane
"Kuja!? He's a Genome!? Impossible! He doesn't even have a tail..."

Garland
"He is only hiding it. He denies his own identity."
"He rejects the meaning of his existence and tries to assert his own individuality."
"Don't you see the resemblance?"

***********

"Kuja... What you did was wrong..."
"But you gave us all one thing... Hope..."
"We were all created for the wrong reason, but you alone defied our fate."
"We do not want to forget this. We want your memory to live on forever..."
"...to remind us that we were not created for the wrong reason - that our life has meaning."

Mikoto

***********

The only thing that make Kuja a defect would be his strong will !


Mikoto would probably be a spell caster.
She seem much more then a spallcaster. I would say her build is based on psychik ability with a vision and hearring beyon imagination.

***********

[Eiko runs up to a girl]
"Found ya! You're that girl, right? It's your fault Dagger collapsed, you know..."
"Oh, never mind. Say! Don't you have any medicine at all?"

Girl (Mikoto)
"She will soon awaken."

Eiko
"How do you know?"

***********

Beatrix
"...I doubt anyone could've survived that explosion..."

"Nooo..."

"Captain..."

Mikoto
"...They are still alive."

Beatrix
"What!? Where are they?"

Mikoto
"...Over there."
[She points]

***********

Regent Cid
"You're not General Beatrix. Who are you?"

Mikoto
"My name is Mikoto."
"Everyone is alive. You are very close to them."

Regent Cid
"What!!!? How do you know?"

Mikoto
"I can hear him..."

***********

like a Phoenix bursting free from its cradle of ashes
Thats exactly how i see it.

***********

Garland
"His ambition was unbecoming of a Genome, but it was perfect for the mission I gave him."
"To bring war and chaos to Gaia... That was what I sent him to do."
"To induce an unnaturally chaotic flow."

***********

When he went into trance he destroyed his own planet and made his own destiny.


And why Kuja wears that skirt?
It's not a skirt it s a semi-cape to obviously hide the that he his a genome !

***********

Garland
"He is only hiding it. He denies his own identity."

***********

This is why when he his reborn (trance) he doesnt hide it anymore cause he his no more the genome he was.

Note: In the case that some of you never saw a skirt before those are.
http://www.eslkidstuff.com/images/skirt.gif
http://home.aol.com/lclacemker/skirt.gif
http://www.customclothes.co.uk/images/spotted-full-circle-skirt.jpg

So i cannot see how anyone can say that Kuja is wearing a skirt.

OmniFalcon
2003-11-08, 11:57 AM
i hated the silver dragon/garland/kuja boss fights man i got worked. i hated pandemona fortress cuz i would only get to lvl off those monsters for a little while :'(. I reached that place at like lvl 45 :'(. anyways, zidane + kuja = brothers, even if zidane is a horney thief and kuja is a psycotic ... .... .... psycho. kuja is kewlest dude hes bad ass. SEPHIROTH AND MAGUS AINT GOT NOTHING ON KUJA

Kuja`s #1
2003-11-08, 06:25 PM
You're right. Psychic powers would probably be Mikoto's abillity.

Rurouni Storm
2003-11-08, 09:51 PM
Kuja's outfit isn't a skirt, it's just a long robe with an open front.

I think Mikoto has some kind of psychic link with other genomes, but we don't really see any proof of her being able to read/detect humans.

OmniFalcon
2003-11-08, 11:08 PM
Shes so cool. She and Zidane should be a couple since they are both from Bran Bal. Garnet / Dagger should back the fu*k off, and keep to Amarant ^_^. Eiko and Vivi should be young lovers. Kuja and his dragon probobly already get it on.

Kuja`s #1
2003-11-09, 01:05 AM
That would completely ruin the whole plot. Garnet is designed from the beginning to end up with Zidane.

I always thought that her psychic powers were limited to a form of telepathy and only with other genomes.


I thought he should've looked a little more angry though. In most scenes, he has a sadistic smile and in some others he looks like he's bored or simply doesn't care. But not until he finds out he's gonna die does he show true anger. Then he's all pissed. Would've been better if he had done that earlier in the game.

Kuja
2003-11-09, 01:37 AM
Lol it wouldnt ahve been good if he did it sooner cause he would of owned Zidane party very bad and then game over !The world stoped to exist.

Kuja`s #1
2003-11-09, 01:48 AM
Yeah but Sephiroth managed to be pissed all through the game and you still made it to the end.

OmniFalcon
2003-11-09, 10:45 PM
Yeah, the end of Final Fantasy 9 when Zidane and Dagger hook up is so cool. *sniff* It was just so romantic! *sniff*

How can you expect Kuja not to be mad? How would you feel if one day you got a letter showing the exact date and time of your death? Wouldn't you be a little mad? But Kuja did what any person would do when they know how much time they got left. They do what they can in life and leave something. Kuja just expressed it in a different way by destroying the planet Terra and being ready to destroy Gaia.

Raziel
2003-11-10, 12:28 AM
I loved Kuja's disconnected attitude towards the atrocities he was committing. He was destroying people's lives and decimating pieces of the world while treating it like a game! Had he been angry and vengeful the entire game, it would have lessened the impact of how evil he truly is. I would consider it far more evil to be smiling while murdering someone than to be screaming and foaming at the mouth.

Kuja
2003-11-10, 01:28 AM
Well then why didn't all the other genomes have feathers?

Done, heh i know the picture wasnt good and was actualy quite bad but i couldnt come up with any good trance pic of zidane

I started to look in game at both of their trance. Something became very interesting. As you look at Zidane trance in-game he look kinda furry and Kuja has feathers.
Trance is based on *animal instinct* and somehow they do transform into one.

Zidane a feline.
Kuja a bird.

Raziel
2003-11-10, 01:42 AM
Oh, please for the love of God, remove that picture. Whomever drew that is either gay, or wants Zidane to be female worse than anything in the world. The artist attempted to queer those two up more than the Backstreet Boys and did a pretty adequate job of it. Please, get rid of it. It's burning my eyes.

Rurouni Storm
2003-11-10, 08:34 AM
Zidane a feline.
Kuja a bird.

I always saw Zidane as looking more like a monkey.

Kuja
2003-11-10, 09:28 AM
This is most likely based on the tail :)

If you look at how he react its more based on a feline then a monkey.
Also, in combat the way he stand look like a feline with his claw out (the daggers), ready to jump on his prey.

Cerridwen
2003-11-11, 10:30 PM
And why Kuja wears that skirt?
It's not a skirt it s a semi-cape to obviously hide the that he his a genome !

***********

Garland
"He is only hiding it. He denies his own identity."

***********

This is why when he his reborn (trance) he doesnt hide it anymore cause he his no more the genome he was.


So i cannot see how anyone can say that Kuja is wearing a skirt.[/QUOTE]




I KNOW it's not a skirt, and that it's a semi-cape. But if it is, then why is it attached to his waist? I only tried to point out in my post that yes, he used it to hide the fact that he was a genome, that he was created solely for Garland's whims and what-nots. He refused to see himself as a slave and stood up for his own identity, and that is what I love about Kuja.

On an added note, yes, Zidane kinda looks furry. He looks like a satyr sans horns and a flute. XD But yeah, Zidane looks like a really pissed-off monkey in his Dyne form.

StarcraftGhost
2003-11-17, 08:21 AM
Half cape to cover his tail but leaving it bare in the front for movement and evasion? LuLu had like 100 belts at her legs and she evades just about every attack an enemy throws at her so I dont think its there for evasion. But then again, its hard to straddle something (like a dragon) unless its like that. Well, it still confused me early on. When I first saw Kuja, I could of sworn he was a girl by how he looked but it only took me a few seconds to say "thats one hell of an ugly female" and after the cinema when they used "he" I found my main reason of lack of attraction. All in all, Kuja really looks pathetic to me compared to Sephy and Seifer although I WILL give him credit for looking the most badass of every Final Fantasy enemy character when he's in his Trance State. I hate DBZ, but he just looked sooooo damn powerhouse hovering in that final battle. (Although it was funny, when I first reached him during my first play at FF9, I was unprepared in level, equipment, and ability wise. So right after my entire party died (exception for Vivi), I had to use Vivi to wack him endlessly with his staff lol.) *boink, boink BONG* *Holy* *boink, boink BONG* *Fanfare Theme* Woot! lolj/k