Round 2! Cloud vs Ness

[Raziel]

Arena: Abandoned Megalopolis - The monstrous shell of an abandoned city. Skyscrapers pierce the sky in the upper-scale downtown development, while buzzing streetlamps and rotting stench plague the slums. Imagine New York City if tomorrow everyone simultaneously decided to leave, not taking any of their belongings or bothering to shut off any electrical devices. Power still runs throughout the entire city.

In the Red Corner, the spiky-haired mercenary, the former pupil of the infamous Sephiroth, from Final Fantasy 7: Cloud Strife!!!

And in the Blue Corner, the psychokinetic boy wonder, the bat-slinging champion of Eagleland, from Earthbound: Ness!!!

The wind blows harshly through the husk of this dead metropolis. The former 1st Class SOLDIER leers over the edge of a 40 story high rise, scanning the streets for his opponent. The miniscule powerhouse leaps from rooftop to rooftop, hoping to encounter this round's enemy. Will the Ultima Weapon best the Gutsy Bat? Or will Ness' psychokinetic pyrotechnics be too much for Cloud's Limit Breaks to handle? Choose a side, and put up your dukes! It's clobberin' time!

[!King_Amazon!]

Ness was cool and all, but I'm afraid Cloud can't lose this one. It's like Mickey Mouse VS Popeye.

[Kuja`s #1]

Well, Cloud is strong, but Ness's pyschokinetic power could easilly kill Cloud. Cloud comes at him with his sword and Ness could make it so when Cloud went to swing his sword, hi swung it up, thus throwing Cloud off balance and giving Ness the chance to hit him with his bat. Cloud might try Omnislash, but still, Ness's pyschokinetic powers could just make something fall and hit him before he could do it. Cloud loses.

[Kuja]

Meh i highly doubt he can control his enemy.

Maybe the sword but Cloud would just need to get in close range drop the sword and Snap Ness neck.

Game over.

[Kuja`s #1]

Well look at the arena. Ness could make a skyscraper fall on Cloud. And if he did dodge, he wouldn't be in a defensive stance. So Ness could go and whack him upside the head with a homerun.

Cloud's head is going, going gone!!

[Kuja]

I would like to actualy know ness attacks.
Cause im sure ness isnt that strong.

[Kuja`s #1]

http://www.zelaron.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22142

His previous battle.

[Kuja]

lol i knew if it would be you actualy posting something about it i would get nothing out of it.
There is nothing mentioning how strong his power are can he make a skyscraper fall ? I doubt it.
Can he even move heavy object ?
If he can control Cloud sword can he even put up whit the muscle Cloud can put to keep control of it ?
I wanna see ability description but then again i guess i couldnt expect more then a useless post coming from you.

[Kuja`s #1]

Uh....did you read the thread? Obviously not.

[Kuja]

omg your pathetic ....

Can someone other then buffoon #1 tell me ?
Cause getting awnser from him wont go anywhere ...

[Kuja`s #1]

Read the fuck'n thread retard. Strain your puny brain for once. That's why I gave the link.

[Kuja]

Uncapped talk about Absorbing spell, yoyo and baseball bat.
Robotic talk about psychokinetic punch.
Penguin mention how Ness can avoid whit his psychokinesis powers.

Thats all !
Now tell me where the fuck it explain his psychokinetic power ?
Can he crash the moon in earth ?
Can he move stars in the sky ?
Can he fucken lift a pencil whit his power ?
Can he even control objects ?
I want his ability and you bring me shit.

And while you look at yourself knowing how much a fool you just made of yourself whit your useless spam (yet again)
I liked how Zelaron melee was actualy better when you wernt arround. Do us all a favor and stay in test forum.

[Kuja`s #1]

STFU!! I'M TRYING TO FUCK'N HELP YOU! ALL I DO IS GO AROUND ZEL AND YOU INSULT ME AT EVERY TURN!! FUCK'N STOP IT! I DIDN'T DO SHIT TO YOU! YOUR OPINIONS DON'T MATTER!!!! SO STOP IT!

In the Red Corner, weighing in at a little too much for his diminutive stature! Armed with his trusty Gutsy Bat, Yo-Yo, and enough psychokinetic power to level a military base! The pint-sized hero from Onett, Earth's Chosen Defender, star of EarthBound: Ness!!!

[Kuja]

You know i think there is a rule against all cap post but then again being a mod maybe you think you have the right to not follow them.

Also
I DIDN'T DO SHIT TO YOU!
ALL I DO IS GO AROUND ZEL (and annoy ppl)
YOUR OPINIONS DON'T

Well first this doesnt belong in Zelaron melee.
Your post are more then enought to annoy me.
And my opinion does matter it s not cause im a mod that my opinion doesnt matter.
And yet again you failed to explain his psychokinetic ability....
Very sad ... I hope someone delete all the post past mine that say
I would like to actualy know ness attacks.
Cause im sure ness isnt that strong.

Cause you did a great job at making this thread very unfun and stupid.

[!King_Amazon!]

Kuja's, you know just as well as anyone else that Ness couldn't do those things. He's not a fucking Jedi, he's a little boy with a bat and a cap that can do a few things with his mind. I don't remember anywhere in the game where he made buildings fall on his enemies or make their weapons move. It just doesn't happen like that. His best chance at beating Cloud would be calling that place and ordering some food, then hoping the car runs Cloud over.

The end, Ness looses. ggkthxnore.

[Kuja`s #1]

He's has the pyshokinetic punch. With that he could make a building fall on Cloud. And if he gets up, he'll be groggy and Ness can bash his skull in with his bat.

[!King_Amazon!]

I don't care what he has, it's not strong enough to knock over a skyscraper onto Cloud.

[Kuja`s #1]

It wouldn't take much to knock over a skyscraper. Being a skyscraper, he could just damage the base and the whole structure would come tumbling down. Right onto Cloud. Can you say pancake?

[!King_Amazon!]

It wouldn't take much to knock over a skyscraper. Being a skyscraper, he could just damage the base and the whole structure would come tumbling down. Right onto Cloud. Can you say pancake?

While he's spending his time trying idioticly to knock down a skyscraper, how is he gonna defend himself? And do you think Cloud would just stand there waiting for the skyscraper to hit him? No, he'd be moving around and trying to kill Ness.

It would be like trying to kill someone by chopping down a tree. Not too hard to move out of the way.

[Kuja`s #1]

Hmmm....good point. Oh well, I guess I'll switch then.

Ness uses his pscyhokinetic punch to knock down the building. Cloud dodges the debre and kicks Ness in the gut. Ness falls down and Cloud raised his sword to block Ness's bat. He knocks Ness's bat away and :slice: He's dead.

[Kuja]

Ness use his Punch to knock the building down and squash himself in the process.

[!King_Amazon!]

Well, yes, if he punched the building to knock it down, and he punches it on the bottom, the building would fall on him.

I'll make a picture to show this if you want.

[!King_Amazon!]

http://www.pixelmethods.com/ka/Ness dies.JPG

Just get a coke bottle and flick the bottom of it, the top will come CRASHING down on your hand.

[Kuja]

Lol simple and explicit.

[Kuja`s #1]

That would be funny to see.:)

Cloud could also use Cross-Slash to paralyze Ness before Ness could do anything. Then Ness would be at Cloud's mercy.

Kill him! Kill him!

:Cloud raises his sword and...: :cut:

[Raziel]

I actually have a few minutes to do this, so I'lll quickly list everything Ness is capable of. With each grade of his attack type (Alpha through Omega) his attacks are stronger, harder to resist and have more inclusive effects. For example, PK Special Omega is actually a blast probably big enough to do a serious amount of damage to a building. If used correctly, he might actually be capable of crippling the building, but it would probably also kill him in the process. Another Example: PK Flash Alpha has minor effects like uncontrollable eye-watering and flu-like symptoms. Flash Omega can actually kill an opponent instantly.

PK Special (Alpha, Beta, Gamma and Omega) - A giant burst of pure psychokinetic energy. Non-elemental, non-magical, and instantaneous.

PK Flash (Alpha, Beta, Gamma and Omega) - Ness emits a giant burst of light so bright that it is actually capable of inflicting a ton of different status effects including instant sleep, watery-eyes (like being blinded in FF), poinson and instant death.

PK Lifeup (Alpha, Beta, Gamma and Delta) - Heals HP.

PK Healing (Alpha, Beta and Gamma) - Cures Negative Status effects.

PK Shield (Alpha and Beta) - A shield against physical attacks only. Cuts damage by 50%. Beta reflects 25% of the damage back at the attacker.

PK Hypnosis (Alpha and Omega) - Puts either one or all enemies to sleep.

PK Paralysis (Alpha and Omega) - Either one or all enemies become paralyzed.

PK Teleport (Alpha and Beta) - Ness can teleport to any location he's already been to. Alpha requires a long strip of running space (like a city street), while Beta only requires a small amount of space (like a circle with a 4 foot diameter) so Ness can run around in a tight circle. If Ness hits anything while trying to teleport, the effect is cancelled.

On top of that, Ness has access to his SSBM abilities.

PK Flash - Different from the one above. Ness generates a giant green ball of energy that causes an extreme amount of damage upon impact. The hit must be precise, and if he gets hit while directing the ball, it's effects are nullified.

PK Fire - Ness throws a small bolt of energy that wraps his foe in a column of fire, immobilizing them to an extent and causing constant damage. It's a short range attack, and it dissipates after flying for a few feet.

PK Thunder - Ness creates a ball of lightning that he can steer with his mind. It is a long range attack and takes about 15 to 20 seconds to dissipate. It does a minor amount of damage, but becomes particularly powerful if Ness uses it on himself. If he does so, he takes no damage and becomes a flying, electrical projectile capable of doing enormous amounts of damage if he hits his target.

PK Magnet - Ness creates an energy field, completely encasing his body that can absorb any energy-based projectile. Bullets and missiles fly right through the shield. If he absorbs any energy projectile, the attack heals him physically. PK Magnet actually has about a 1 second pause before and after using it. It can be sustained indefinitely.

PK Throw - Ness psychically grabs hold of his enemy and throws them up, forward, backwards, or directly into the ground.

PK Jump - Ness can psychically aid his jumps, allowing for a ton of aerial maneuverability, as well as a double jump.

PK Attack - Ness can use raw psychokinetic energy in his physical attacks to give them a little extra punch. Not much, but it's better than nothing.

That is everything that Ness has ever been capable of. The Earthbound abilities use up PK Points, but his Smash Bros. abilities can be used repeatedly with no cost.

[!King_Amazon!]

Cloud still wins.

[Juggalo]

Cloud would win...If he can overcome Coma...he can withstand Psyychic power

[Medieval Bob]

The problem is that nobody hardly has played Earthbound. Everyone is going strictly off of Ness's abilities on a 2D multiplayer-fighting game, which is entirely the wrong way to view him.

Ness is a bad-mamma-jamma, and there's no doubting it. While Cloud is a formidable opponent, I highly doubt that he would be able to withstand the mental prowess that is Ness.

[Kuja`s #1]

Not to mention it was a Mako Poisoned induced coma. That's not very logical though. He was only poisoned because he didn't know who he was and he was in denial, from what I can guess. Cuz he was healed after he discovered himself right?

With the power to knock down the building, Ness could win I think.

I actually have a few minutes to do this, so I'lll quickly list everything That's quick?

[Juggalo]

Oh and i have played Earthbound...BTW....It sucked balls...man balls...Oh and Cloud would win...Ness can probably knock down a building...but it would have a delayed fall thus causing time for Cloud to move

[uncapped]

Man, this is sure getting interesting. Keep it up guys.

[Kuja`s #1]

Have the manners to use the sarcastic tags.

[Raziel]

Well, if no one else is going to continue, I'll throw my hat into the ring.

Cloud would get himself owned. That's all there is to it. His one distinct advantage is that he is far physically superior to Ness. He can take a lot more damage, and can deal a ton more with his sword than Ness can with his bat. His one physical downfall is that he hasn't displayed the amount of maneuverability that Ness has in order to effectively use his physical advantages.

You see, Cloud has only appeared in a total of two games. FF7 and Kingdom Hearts. I don't know what he was capable of in KH (or if you even saw him fight anyone) but in FF7, he didn't show a ton of agility or speed. Ness has the advantage of being featured in an RPG, which gives him insane offensive capabilities (like any RPG hero) but he has also been featured in two fighting games which give him incredible maeuverability and an assortment of skills that he can constantly draw from.

If Cloud could get in close and use Omnislash, the fight would be over, but Ness would never alow that. He'd keep himself in the air and pelt Cloud with a number of psychic and PK-aided attacks, never once allowing his opponent any room for attack.

Now, like I said before, I'm basing Cloud's performance solely on FF7. I never played KH, therefore I have no idea what else he is capable of. Going by FF7 alone, there's no chance in hell that he could win. Maybe you KH fans have a strategy that beats mine. Let's see what you've got.

[Raziel]

Shit, I forgot. Cloud was in FF Tactics also, wasn't he? Well, that's one more game for everybody to reference from. Let's see some action, people!

[Kuja]

Well i still think Cloud would win.
He is pretty fast i dont recall anyone being faster then him in ff7 and he was also quite agile.
Well if you look at most main character that describe them good.
Locke
Cloud
Squall
Zidane
All melee fighter that are fast, strong whit a good evasion rate. Some stronger then other, whit better speed or evasion but the point is they are still very good in speed strength and evasion.

From what i read he is quite fast in kingdom heart, he also has a charge attack that deal a huge ammount of damage and he can fly.

I was wondering. In what game Ness can fly ???

Well Bye-Bye ness there no use running away !


Cross-slash description: A highly powerful single slash that can be very damaging, This limit break double the strength of Cloud's regular attacks and can cause paralysis.


*Cloud decide to use Cross-slash instead of Omnislash*
While Ness is paralysed
*Cloud Chop Ness nuts off*

*Ness die in agony*

[Raziel]

He can only use Cross Slash is he hits Ness. Ness just has to concentrate to attack Cloud with his PK abilities. Long range or short range.

And Ness can't fly, he has a PK-aided double jump that he uses in Smash Bros. and Smash Bros. Melee. The full double-jump gets him about 15 to 20 feet of air, and the additional triple jump (double jump + PK Torpedo) gets him another 10 to 15 feet. He's significantly more maneuverable than Cloud.

[!King_Amazon!]

Ness couldn't really fly from what I remember, I always just shot that psycho orb thingy and thin smacked him in the butt with it and he zooms off. A little trick in SSB.

[Raziel]

He is pretty fast i dont recall anyone being faster then him in ff7 and he was also quite agile.


Yes, but that's in reference to his combat abilities. He's quick when it comes to swinging his sword, and he has high attack evasion, but what about simple maneuverbility? How quickly can he run? How high can he jump? Is he particularly acrobatic? No, not really. He's good when it comes to stats, but the practical application of those stats suggests nothing towards him being nearly as quick or agile as Ness.

[Kuja]

Well again i will speak from what i heard. In Kingdom heart Cloud charge is very hard to dodge cause of the speed (and a charge cant be slow anyway)
As for Ness Jumping high Cloud could just fly up to him.

[!King_Amazon!]

Cloud can fly? This I remember not.

Anyway, yes, Cloud is damn hard on Kingdom Hearts, he's fast, he's agile, he's everything you've been describing him as.

[Raziel]

That's if he's actually capable of flight. You mentioned earlier that you thought he was. Even so, Ness is capable of midair dodges (like all SSBM characters) that make him immune to damage for a second or two. Plus, Ness has abilities to block damn near anything Cloud throws at him. If Ness needs to get away to regroup, he can use Teleport to get himself away from Cloud quickly. If he needs defense from physical damage, he uses PK Shield and it cuts the damage in half and relects some of it back at Cloud. He's just more versatile.

[Senesia]

Actually Cloud is also in Ehrgeiz: God Bless The Ring, which is a fighting game, by Square.

[!King_Amazon!]

Yeah I remember that, but he was a pussy in that game.

[Kuja]

That's if he's actually capable of flight. You mentioned earlier that you thought he was.
Yeah it does say at gamefaqs.com that he can fly and if you search for image of cloud on KH you will see wing on his back.
Anyway id like if someone that played KH could confirm that he can fly.

[!King_Amazon!]

I played(and own) Kingdom Hearts, and I honestly don't remember anything about cloud flying.

[Kuja]

Taken directly from Gamefaqs.com

Cloud

Boss Fight
Cloud
==========

Refer to the previous Cloud strategy for details on how to defeat him.
Keep in mind that Cloud can fly this time around. You get the Metal Chocobo keychain for defeating him.



If you want you can go directly to the Walkthrough
http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/file/kingdom_hearts_d.txt
Once load press ctrl+f and paste this: Cloud can fly this time around


It will bring you directly to where it mention his flying ability.

[Kuja]

Well even if i never had any doubt for gamefaqs.com
Some of you might have.
So i decided to search for a diff. trusted site whit the proof again that he can fly.


Taken from IGN
http://faqs.ign.com/articles/373/373152p1.html


When Cloud flies....then it'll really hit the fan, it is sorta hard to attack him while flying so he is some what invincible.

Bye-Bye Ness

[Raziel]

Well, there's one quick solution for that. PK Paralysis. *zap* No more flying for Cloud for a little while. If he stays airborne, there's not really any way he can attack Ness, considering he doesn't have much in the way of long-range attacks. He'd be paralyzed for a while, and in that time, Ness would destroy him.

[Kuja]

Does PK Paralysis actualy work on boss ?
Cause if it work only on those puny monster you find a little everywhere Cloud wouldnt even be affected by it.

[Raziel]

On some bosses, yes. The fact that Cloud can be paralyzed by normal monsters in FF7 is proof enough of the fact that Ness would be capable of doing the same thing.

[Kuja]

There is no monster that can paralyse in ff7.
The only possibles paralyse are achieved by Cloud 2nd level 1 Limit Break or by using the item Dazers.
It is the main reason why ff7 contain no item that prevent or cure paralyse.

[Raziel]

Even then, under those conditions, Cloud would still be susceptible to paralysis. Why? Because Ness' Paralysis attack isn't magically based, it's psychically based. If Cloud has a brain, Ness can disrupt the electrical commands sent to his limbs. It's a matter of willpower, and remember, Cloud is partially insane. His will is pretty fragile as it is.

[Kuja]

Yes cloud is partially insane but that could turn on his favor mostly considering he his because of alteration to his mind.
Making his mind working differantly then normal ppl.
It would actualy give him an advantage over Ness psychic ability.

[Raziel]

And how do you figure that? His mind was proven to be susceptible to suggestion very easily throughout all of FF7. Sephiroth used his weak mind to control him (along with the Jenova cells in his body), he mutated his own memories into a false history and was constantly having flashbacks and fragmentation of his consciousness. Sephiroth's ability to screw with his mind is proof enough that he is very vulnerable to mental attacks.

[Kuja`s #1]

Ok, I see some flaws here.

Cloud did not cause anything. HE WAS a low ranking shinra soldier. ZACK was the SOLDIER First Class that accompanied Sephiroth to Nibelheim.

There was some mosters that could paralyze in FF7. I can't exactly remember what they were called but I remember fighting them in the Batlle Arena. They use an attack where they like blow leaves or something on you. You fall in to paralysis for a low ammount of time. You may not believe me, but I SWEAR TO GOD that I speak the truth.

[Kuja]

Actualy the only reason he can control Cloud and He can control Jenova too is Because the J-Cell make *Ancient* also called Cetra they hear the lifestream ! Sephiroth is able to actualy difuse his will in the lifestream unlike other *Ancient*. Else he would have no power over Cloud.

Cloud levitated up all the way to the top and he is actually controlled
by Sephiroth.

Rufus: Who... was that?

Hojo: He's a Sephiroth clone I created after the real Sephiroth died five years ago. Jenova cells and Mako, with my knowledge and skills, have been combined with science and nature to bring him to life. ...I'm not wild about the failure part, but the Jenova Reunion Theory has now been proven. You see, even if Jenova's body is dismembered, it will eventually become one again. That's what is meant by Jenova's Reunion to start. Five years have passed, and now the Clones have began to return. I thought the Clones would begin to gather at Midgar where Jenova is stored. But my predictions were not entirely correct. Jenova itself began to move away from the Shinra Building. But being a genius that I am, I soon figured it out. You see it was all Sephiroth's doing. Sephiroth is not just content to diffuse his will into the Lifestream. He wants to manipulate the Clones itself.

And well after you read that you will understand how his power is very mighty in FF7. And that Jenova isnt that much other then a Cell donor heh.


Note : Check gamefaqs.com you can find out about the monster in battle arena and im sure you will remember that none have paralyse and nor do i remember any. You must be confused whit the spell *confuse* heh.

[Kuja`s #1]

Uh...no. I know the difference between Confuse and Paralyze.

Paralyze: Prevents the opponent fhrom taking any action.

Confuse: Forces the opponent to fire spells or attack physically wildly. Only way to remove it without using an item is to attack the person with a phsical attack. Best to use this status on a magic opponent.

I remember it. You do get paraliezed. It uses this little leaves blowingto you and you get knocked over. Then when you stand up, you automatically(if your not immune to paralysis) kneel down and are not able to move for several turns. AND NO it is not sleep. There are no little zzzs over your head.

[Kuja]

lol dude tell me how can you be imune to paralysis ?
And dude kneel down is actualy the spell SLEEP.

[Kuja`s #1]

I repeat NO ZZZZ!!!!!

You can have an accessory to prevent it like Ribbon or something.

[Kuja]

Bring me the proof other then hum it s somewhere. There is an actualy reason why there is no item to cure paralyse and no item against paralyse. It s cause it s not there.

[Titusfied]

Yes it is:

http://www.kuponut.com/index.html?ilogo.html&ilinks.html&http://www.kuponut.com/games/ff7/monster_list.html

Cokatolis - Petrify Smog
Gigighandi - Stone Stare
Gargoyle - Petrify
Slaps - Paralyzer Needle

Check it for yourself if you want. I went through the list very fast, so there may be others as well, but I happen to of caught these in my skim.

[Raziel]

Well, that certainly makes this battle a ton different. I'll tell you why.

Since it's now been proven thet Cloud is susceptible to paralysis, the fight is over. Even if Cloud can paralyze Ness, he'd have to use Cross Slash, and that's a short-range attack which would be particularly hard for Cloud to land. On top of that, Ness can continue to use PK while paralyzed, therefore allowing him to use his powers to heal himself. Cloud is basically helpless until cured.

[Titusfied]

Well, if Cloud was in the game by himself, there is no doubt in my mind that paralysis wouldn't be allowed, for obvious reasons. The fact that FF games are meant for a 3 character development type of game, there must be certain downfalls to the characters, after all, it is only fair for this type of gaming style. If Cloud was a single character featured in a game, which is the way we should be thinking about it, there is no way he could possibly be suseptible to Ness's mental prowess.

[Raziel]

And how do you justify that? Ness is from an RPG as well, and he's in a multiple-person party configuration throughout 99% of the game. He just has an advantage in this situation that Cloud doesn't

[Kuja`s #1]

Well Petrify is different from paralysis.

Cloud was easy to manipulate because of the Jenova Cells inside him. Ness can't do that.

Ness's mind powers are formidable though. I have always prefered characters with special powers to braun and muscle characters. So I'm just assuming that Cloud's mental defenses would be to weak to fight off Ness

[Titusfied]

I just don't think you are giving Cloud's mental state enough justification. You talk about how Ness will just send signals to his brain and render him useless, but thats horse shit as well. How do you justify that?

[Raziel]

As is the case here. Cloud isn't immune to Ness' attacks because it's takes an extraordinarily durable mind to withstand attacks like those, and Cloud doesn't have that.

On top of that, Ness doesn't even have to attack his mind directly. He's got enough straightforward PK attacks to simply overwhelm Cloud in every way possible. The only advantage Cloud has is offensive. Ness has all of his bases covered.

I didn't once say that Ness would just "send signals to his brain and fuck him up." Read my posts more thoroughly, Titus.

[Titusfied]

Heh, I just don't buy that Ness has all his bases covered. If Cloud's offense isn't formidable enough, and if Ness can overwhelm him that easily, Ness can't possibly win. Ness can't control Cloud that easy. Ness can't hurt Cloud enough to render him useless. Ness doesn't stand a chance.

[Raziel]

If Cloud's offense isn't formidable enough, and if Ness can overwhelm him that easily, Ness can't possibly win.

That sentence makes absolutely no sense.

[Titusfied]

Hah, you know what I meant though, I guess I was just a little rushed. I meant that if that were the case, there is no way he could possibly lose. Ass.

Oh, and this is what I was referring to:
Even then, under those conditions, Cloud would still be susceptible to paralysis. Why? Because Ness' Paralysis attack isn't magically based, it's psychically based. If Cloud has a brain, Ness can disrupt the electrical commands sent to his limbs. It's a matter of willpower, and remember, Cloud is partially insane. His will is pretty fragile as it is.

[Raziel]

That's just one of my points, Titus. And it's a pretty damn good one at that. Ness just has more abilities at his disposal than Cloud does. He has the advantages of having immense destructive capabilites that he inherited from an RPG as well as having incredible maneuverability and face-to-face combat abilities from an arcade fighter.

Now, if Ness' PK was stripped from him entirely, he would lose, end of story. He would be a fat kid with a baseball bat. His power is in his psychic abilities, and they are powerful enough to cause an insane amount of damage.

One way or another, all of the votes are in, and a winner has been chosen. Please make your way to the Bracket Thread for the winner announcement!

[Titusfied]

I didn't once say that Ness would just "send signals to his brain and fuck him up." Read my posts more thoroughly, Titus.

Even then, under those conditions, Cloud would still be susceptible to paralysis. Why? Because Ness' Paralysis attack isn't magically based, it's psychically based. If Cloud has a brain, Ness can disrupt the electrical commands sent to his limbs. It's a matter of willpower, and remember, Cloud is partially insane. His will is pretty fragile as it is.

I just had to point that out. For someone that has harsh words towards other reading capabilities, your memory is evidently quite short.

[Raziel]

You're twisting my words, Titus and not reading everything I've posted. That quote was a counter-argument, explaining why Cloud would have no real defense against Ness' PK Paralysis because it's not magical. There's a lot more to Ness' attacks than "just sending signals and fucking up an opponent's brain."

[Titusfied]

Hah, of course there is more to it... You are trying to undermine your own words and misconstrue them so as to make it look as though I didn't understand them. I was just pointing out that you specifically said, you haven't once said anything of the sort, and I simply pointed out you did.

Of course I trivialized my statement. You knew what I meant. I'd hope I wouldn't have to explain that Cloud doesn't just chop chop chop and cut cut cut his opponents. His tactics, as well as Ness's are obviously more conplex than we sometimes make them out to be.

Oh, and I don't know why you keep quoting it like that, making it sound so dumb, because I didn't say that. I said he would send signals to his brain and render him useless, not that the signals would "fuck him up"...

[Raziel]

You talk about how Ness will just send signals to his brain and render him useless

Those were your exact words. You were telling me that my only argument was that Ness would "render him useless" with PK. The fact is, that's all that Ness would have needed.