Battle! Sonic vs. Zero [Archive] - Zelaron Gaming Forum

Raziel

2003-10-10, 06:33 AM

Arena: Flash Column

In the Red Corner, suspiciously wearing nothing but a pair of red sneakers! Empowered with blistering speed, blinding agility and enough traction to put a Hummer to shame! The master of Mach 1, the blue blur, from Sonic the Hedgehog: Sonic!!!

And in the Red Corner, tossing around more hair than than the members of Guns n' Roses, Poison and Warrant combined! Equipped with his Zero Buster arm cannon, Beam Sword and a number of other articles of weaponry to boot! The former leader of the Maverick Hunters, the Luigi to Mega Man X's Mario, from Mega Man X: Zero!!!

Will Sonic be able to outmaeuver Zero's weaponry, or will the heat of the androids' attacks prove to be too much for the wisecracking hedgehog? The Column is locked, the lights are set! It's video game fighting time!

Kuja

2003-10-10, 07:26 AM

Sonic would simply be way to fast for Zero !
He would just need to run arround to gather speed and run right behind Zero then BANG ! Where is Zero ? Well a little everywhere !

Sonic would then be leaving the battle field saying

Sonic : Ah! Who need more then a pair of red sneakers anyway ?

Sovereign

2003-10-10, 07:49 AM

I dont think that it will be complete ownage like kuja's said. Zero is in fact an android, so wouldnt that mean that his optics are hooked up to a fast processor? Zero would be able to see small movements and target them with his saber or his arm cannon.

Its not like sonic can really attack while running at full speed. I am by no means knowledgeable in sonic games, but from teh few that i have played, hes NEVER attacked when running.

Just look at some of zero's moves. They Involve his little sabre thingy. When sonic got close to him he could just unlease a massive sideward swing of his sabre and easily decapitate sonic.
http://www.iownjoo.com/freeimghost/Sovereign/Zero_X4_Shippugga.gif
http://www.iownjoo.com/freeimghost/Sovereign/Zero_X4_Triple_Slash.gif

There is no way a measley hedgehog made out of just skin and bones can withstand those attacks.

Zero: "I knew sonic was nothing more then just a pitiful vermin"

Kuja

2003-10-10, 08:02 AM

The thing is Zero might shoot fast but sonic isnt only fast he is MUCH faster ! Also the speed at what Zero shoot would actualy affect his aim. Sonic is agile and fast he could easily just run away and gather speed, then he would just need to run toward Zero dodging attack from his gun. In no time sonic would get behind Zero, then Spin Ball and Bang ! Zero wouldnt even have the chance to react sonic speed would just be to much and if that wasnt enought he could always repeat since the begening (gather speed run to Zero ... behind or side then BANG).

Sovereign

2003-10-10, 08:07 AM

See your assuming that zero is a slow retard. As you see in one of the animations that i provided above, he has a move that "jets" him in a certain direction. His targeting computer can analize the trajectory in which sonic is coming at him and compute the best evasion course. Your also assuming that sonic is in very close range. FOr zero to not notice him coming from a distance would be improbable. And even if by some miracle sonic gets to him, have you ever tried to punch/jump on hard metal? YOu cant really damage it. Im sure a hedgehog of all animals would do just the same. If zero can take multiple hits from bastards that Sigma had, iim sure a little "peck" by a hedgehog would be nothing.

Grav

2003-10-10, 10:23 AM

This is a tough one, but I believe Sonic would win the battle. Why?

Well a few key points, some of you have stated that sonic cannot attack while running, and I find this to be not true at all. While sonic was running circles around Zero, he could begin roll to smash into him, and then bounce while rolling before he hits Zero to go for a critical hit. Now, why wouldn't Zero just slash him to death? All of Zero's attacks have a slight weakness in them. After using one of his saber specials, theres a half second or so where his saber is still retracting. That is when Sonic could strike him. He should have practice at this sort of thing, that slight half second opening is the key to defeating many of Robotnik's creations! If Sonic had access to the fireball special, then in all certainty I think the fight would be over. Not only does the fireball powerup block any projectile attacks Zero could fire from his arm cannon, but Sonic could instantly launch himself at Zero, as a burning ball of fire. The most Zero could do is dash to block. Sonic would have a large advantage in both speed and damage. Even if Zero could 'see' all of his moves, it does him no good unless his chassis can respond fast enough.

And I won't even go into the area of Super Sonic or Hyper Sonic.. heh.

!King_Amazon!

2003-10-10, 10:35 AM

And even if by some miracle sonic gets to him, have you ever tried to punch/jump on hard metal? YOu cant really damage it.

Actually, most of the things sonic fought were robotic.

Anyway, sonic wins because of the above stated reasons. Zero is cool but sonic speed is too much for him.

Kuja

2003-10-10, 10:42 AM

Aight well here are Sonic ability/attack !

Speed Up : Temp. Speed Boost
Sonic Wind : Attack enemy whit wind.
Time Stop : Temp. Freezes opponent.
Homing Attack (Used mid-Air): Kinda like a spin attack achived in mid-air.
Spin Dash : Well you all know it i think he always had it only diff. is now he can charge up his spin !
Rolling Attack : When standing still or running Sonic
can rolls foward and damages anything that's in his way.
Front Flip : When doing the Rolling Attack Sonic can do a
flip foward.
Slide Attack : When doing the Front Flip Sonic can do a slide
kick foward.
Reverse Jump : When doing the Front Flip Sonic can somersault in opposite direction he was facing when doing the Front Flip. Can be used to quickly change directions or attacking.
Air Dash : Sonic just dash foward a little when in the
air.
Spin Jump : Jump while spinning to attack enemies.
Hyper Slide Attack : A faster, stronger, longer range version of
the Slide Attack. (Does NOT affect speed when used)
Gold Sonic : Temp Invul, Extra Fast , No need to do attack to actualy damage.

I think there really here just enought proof to show how much Zero is totaly fucked.

Senesia

2003-10-10, 01:33 PM

I will focus more on the Zero in MMX4 since it is when he got his own storyline and everything.

I'll start off with Zero's abilities:
Raijingeki - electrical ground attack.
Tenkuuha - His "violet" saber which can destroy any energy projectiles
Ryuenjin - Upward Fire slash, and it can connect to any move Zero has in Air.
Shippuuga - An attack performed while dashing, very destructive.
Hyoretsuzan - Diving Ice attack.
Rakuhouha - Knee down on the ground sending nine energy blasts to the sides and upward at all angles. Invincible as the attack has initiated.

3 slash combo
While in air, Zero can perform another jump and dash. Also, the spinning Kuuenzan attack is avaliable in air, cutting anything that apporaches.

(I'll...be in school. Got to go now.)

Cerridwen

2003-10-11, 01:22 AM

Sonic would definitely do those spins around Zero, leaving Zero pretty much helpless in reacting to whatever attacks Sonic has in mind for him. Sonic is quick, agile; Zero's slower, but packs more punch. Sonic's just made of flesh, bones, and those ridiculous-looking sneakers; Zero's a badass android with a laser saber pretty much reminiscent of Star Wars Jedi light sabers.

Sonic could pull off those mean tricks at Zero, but he wouldn't be affected easily; he is, after all, an ANDROID. Zero, on the other hand, is slower than Sonic but once he could just get a hold on the blue speed freak, he'll take off a hefty amount of rings or fruits or whatever Sonic uses for his life meter bar, and the hedgehog could just keep on streaking. Eventually, once Sonic gets drained by many of Zero's inconsitent yet very powerful attacks, he'll slow down (assuming that we are in the real world of Zelaron Melee) and eventually Zero would catch up to him and turn him to hedgehog fritters. BTW these are taken into account when Zero gets up close and personal with Sonic in one of those rare times Zero does catch him.

Now, if assuming that these 2 combatants are in a locked room, Sonic would have less room to zoom around in, unless the room comes equipped with those loops so he could catch more rings. But since the room is just closed and tightly packed, Sonic would find it very hard to keep himself at mach 1 or else he'll just crash himself into a wall. If the room is HUGE then Sonic is just WAY too much for Zero to handle as Zero couldn't possibly dash all around the room to silence a hedgehog with a serious need of a haircut.

As with most video games, knowing the terrain and playing to one's strengths is the key to success; so if Sonic has as much space to sing "The Sound of Music" with a zillion football fields to spare, then Zero's completely !@*#&*#(@ up. Then it's the other way around if the room they were fighting in is in an enclosed space (unless Sonic could also climb walls by means of his mach 1 feet aerobics; but then Zero would toast him via his Rakuhouha special).

So I think, given these considerations...anybody would be victorious.

But I'm putting my hopes on Zero.

Raziel

2003-10-11, 01:45 AM

Why has no one bothered to mention the arena in their arguments yet? I listed which location is being used at the top, and there is a description in the Rulebook Thread.

Kashante

2003-10-11, 11:03 AM

yea,no one has mentioned it yet,but,if yal dont feel like looking back to the rulebook,this is the arena.

Flash Column - A 200 foot long cylindrical steel silo, about 75 feet in diameter. The column is filled with platforms, wall-mounted flame jets, shock pads, spiked walls, trap-doors and even more deadly devices. The entire structure is held on a giant hydraulic arm, and at three different stations on the inside, the position of the column can be manually switched from vertical to horizontal or diagonal. Each station can only be used once per battle.

Now,i think Zero has the advantage right here.If Zero can flip one of the switches to horizontal,sonic will have to run up the wall just to get to Zero,and if he stops for just a little bit,hes gonna fall.If u know Zer like i do,he can teleport to some places,some times,and he is able to jump/fly in the air temp.the only thing stoping zero is if either sonic flips another switch,or zero hits one of those shock pads or gets hit by the flames.I think Zero has it in the bag

Kuja

2003-10-11, 11:07 AM

Actualy i do use battle feild i just didnt feel like using it yet i was hoping someone else would.

Titusfied

2003-10-11, 11:18 AM

Well, there you go, it was used, now it is your turn to either agree or couter-attack that argument! Go go go go go!

Kuja

2003-10-11, 11:22 AM

Flash Column - A 200 foot long cylindrical steel silo, about 75 feet in diameter.
Just that make Zero dead cause Sonic can use it to gain speed and be everywhere.

Forgot to say Sonic can climb too

RoboticSilence

2003-10-11, 12:15 PM

If I remember correctly, it is Knuckles who can climb, and not Sonic.

Anyway, Zero could use the arena to his "advantage" but anyone who has played a Sonic game knows that complex changing and rotating environments are where Sonic is at his best. Sonic's overwhelming speed and agility would surely catch Zero off-guard. As !K_A! stated before, most of Sonic's enemies are robotic so he clearly has the strength to bust Zero open with ease. And if Zero even gave Sonic the chance to go Super Sonic or even Hyper Sonic, he'd be totally fucked.

Kuja

2003-10-11, 12:17 PM

Well sonic start to climb on gamecube :)

slaynish

2003-10-11, 06:31 PM

Im saying Zero, their both melee except for zero he can shoot if im remebering correctly. And sonic has to get close to hit zero right? he could just do a Rakuhouha when sonic is charging up running around, seince its a cyllender right it would just keep going in circles, and eventually sonic would hit it and have to restart his charge up. And then once sonic gets close zero could just do a Tenkuuha and waste the fuck out of sonic. When he gets close, i didnt mention his zero buster either. When sonic attacks its got to be like this,

sonic=1, zero=0

1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1- 0

what im saying is that sonic cant attack while running in circles , therefore he could do a Shippuuga, and that means basicly hes dashing and cutting right through sonics little monkey head.

To me, anywhere sonic goes, hes fucked. Unless he happens to climp his monkey ass up a wall and flip a switch, And i think zero can teleport to some places, yes which would mean he could possibly teleport to switches.

!King_Amazon!

2003-10-11, 06:44 PM

Depends on how many rings are in the level. No rings=no sonic.

Chruser

2003-10-11, 07:03 PM

Instantly, Zero fires his arm cannon, but Sonic runs away in the last second and starts to collect some rings around the light pillar. Zero keeps firing, but Sonic successfully evades his shots. Eventually, Sonic collects 100 rings and turns to Super Sonic, the yellow hedgehog with twice as much hairgel as before. Zero is totally oblivious to Super Sonic's powers and decides to load his arm cannon to fire a more powerful projectile. Suddenly, Sonic performs a double jump, causing the entire arena to ignite in a 180 ampere flash, instantly short-circuiting Zero's robotic parts, and incinerating his human parts.

Game over, Zero.

Kuja

2003-10-11, 07:41 PM

slaynish what your saying would actualy mean that Sonic would have to circle in close range at low speed. Sonic would gain speed far from Zero so there is NO CHANCE that Zero can actualy hit Sonic whit anything. He could probably just run arround flipping every switch and end up owning Zero ass whitout even trying.

Sonic = 1
Zero = 0wned

Sonic having destroyed the poor Zero he walk toward the exit of the battle feild.

Sonic says : I wonder if he had the time to compute his loss.

Cerridwen

2003-10-13, 01:02 AM

Hey Sonic still has to dodge those gazillions of traps just to get close to Zero, and that's hard. I mean, he could get fried on his way. And Zero would just give him a kick. Whammo, out cold, crispy fried hedgehog!

And...BTW, are they fighting in 2D or 3D? Cause they're both 2D characters....^_____^;; If that would be the case, then, Sonic loses...

Kuja

2003-10-13, 01:08 AM

Originally posted by Cerridwen
Cause they're both 2D characters..
All battle are in 3d and sonic stop being 2d on gamecube.

How could Sonic be fried by a trap ? They are all lever activated and Zero wouldnt have time to activate many and let s not forget that Sonic is very fast and agile making most trap hardly effective toward him.

Senesia

2003-10-13, 02:05 AM

In MMX5, Zero has Twin Dream and W-Shredder. Twin Dream creates a clone of Zero, and therefore Zero can attack his opponent having the real self getting too close. W-Shredder is a powerful attack which releases his shadow when he dashes. Again, it is his shadow. Zero doesn't even need to get that close to Sonic.

Many of you have mentioned how Zero can't hit Sonic at all, but I don't see it that way. Zero can take on the defensive side, and wait for Sonic attacks him and counter. It is hard to dodge melee attack, and I think Zero's defense ability is higher than Sonic, due to his armor.

About Sonic's speed, that wouldn't be a problem for Zero. Jet Stingray (or whatever his name is) is a speedy maverick, and Zero destroyed him with ease. Cyber Peacock even have the ability to teleport, yet Zero can catch up to such speed without much trouble.

Sovereign

2003-10-13, 02:15 AM

Sen brings up a good point. everytime zero kills a mavrick it gains that mavricks special attribute. Ach i cant remember them, so i will research these atrribute that zero can use to pwn sonic and post them by the end of today (monday) Hopefully the battle will not be closed by then. Thanks sen, almost forgot about those :)

Kuja

2003-10-13, 02:45 AM

Sonic can just get to use his temp freeze attack that would render Zero UNABLE to do anything for a short period ! And what about when he is in Gold Sonic ? He would be faster stronger and invulnerable for a short period.

I just need to know how the hell Zero could beat that.

Anyway if Sonic do circle arround Zero at his top speed Zero wouldnt be able to keep up whit Sonic, mainly because his poor metalic carcass cannot keep up whit Sonic speed no matter how much he compute his reaction time cannot even come close to the one of Sonic.

!King_Amazon!

2003-10-13, 10:56 AM

I think Zero's defense ability is higher than Sonic, due to his armor.

His armor wouldn't matter, because like I stated before, almost everything sonic fights is robotic.

Kuja

2003-10-13, 12:38 PM

Cyber Peacock even have the ability to teleport, yet Zero can catch up to such speed without much trouble.

By the time Zero is done teleporting Sonic would already be far.

Senesia

2003-10-13, 01:04 PM

Does Sonic's attack "pierce" through armor? No. The fact that Sonic did fight with robotic enemies would mean his attack can damage mechanical unit, but that doesn't negate Zero's armor defense.

Zero's Z-Saber can be enchanted with Ice, Lightning, or Fire, (depend on the game, the name of that attack is different.) With Ice, he can hit and freeze Sonic just as well. Zero can be invulnerable if he uses his "Gaia attack", which defers in each game, but I'm taking Rakuhouha as an example, the attack he got from C. Peacock.

As for Sonic's high speed...Zero has fought enemies with Teleportation ability, which I've stated. He can react to extremely high speed, and it doesn't matter how fast Sonic travels, Sonic is still one Sonic. His attack will come from himself only. Meaning that, if Zero concentrates on his defense, he will be able to avoid and block Sonic's attack, while Zero can produce an exact clone and do the dirty work for him.

Kuja

2003-10-13, 05:38 PM

For Zero armor ?
Let s look at a old sonic game since there bigger chance more ppl here will have played it.

Im sure many remember metal sonic or even last battle against robonic in Sonic 2 on sega. They have just as strong if not stronger armor then Zero. While it might not pierce through Zero armor it would at least damage it ! Bending peice making his mobility even less.

You trying to say that cause he can compute possible attack against him he has the reaction time. Thats totaly untrue he is limited by the speed of his poor carcass.

When you look at Sonic while on top speed it is hard to even be able to keep up whit him. While Zero Top speed isnt actualy even fast it could be compared to Sonic fast walking.

How can Zero freeze sonic if he cant hit him ?

Zero Teleport ?
Zero only chance would be to teleport to hit where Sonic would be when he done teleporting but then again Sonic can just go in a random direction as he see Zero teleporting.

Zero use his shadow ?
There again sonic would see it and be able to keep an eye on his real target.

Senesia

2003-10-13, 07:29 PM

I've never said Sonic's attack will not be effective at all, I was comparing their defensive abilities. Zero has higher defense than Sonic, that's what I was trying to say.

Can Zero chase after Sonic successfully? No. I admit that Sonic is fast, but Zero and Sonic are not racing here. So what if Sonic is fast, Zero can just wait for Sonic to attack and then counter him. In a situation where their attacks both hit, Sonic will get more damage. Why? Aside from Zero having higher defense...try to imagine running into a saber with full speed.

Zero doesn't have to chase after Sonic and attacks, he can just put his saber to the direction where Sonic is from, and react quickly so that Sonic runs into the saber. Zero might walk/run slow comparing to Sonic, but he can jump pretty far. With a simple dash-jump, Zero can travel almost a full screen. (And that's no charging required.) Therefore, if Sonic ever stops while he's close to Zero, Zero CAN catch up and attack from then on.

Zero can also dodge attack in mid-air by a second Jump or Air-Dash, also, he can hold up to any wall. Then he can either kick jump to the top, or slide - neither of those move will stop him from attacking/defending though, Since he can pull out his saber while he's at the wall.

Why can't Zero react to the speed? Because of his carcass? But Zero CAN react against teleporting enemies...I think that reacting to teleportation would actually require more...reflexes...

Zero's shadow is different from Zero's clone. His shadow is an attack which is performed when Zero finished his dash, he sent in a shadow in a split second and slice through anything that's infront. While it might not hit Sonic, it will certainly slow him down, make him change direction and thus making his next move more predictable for Zero.

Zero's Clone, on the other hand, is a clone which can attack just like Zero. It will make the battle to be a 2 vs 1 for awhile, in fact. Also, the clone is identical to Zero, so it is not possible to tell one of them from another.

Zero also has two E-Tanks (Some version he has 3...but meh)...which some might think those are items, but no. E-tanks (E-Can, literally) were once items in Megaman series. (In the manga, you can see Megaman takes out a can and drink...) E-Tanks in MMX series, however, are built-in device in the Maverick Hunter's armor. Where is my proof for that? X's amount of E-Tanks depends on which armor he chooses to wear, therefore the E-tanks are built-in.

Therefore, 2 E-Tanks and 1 W-Tanks. W-Tank would enable him to do several more Gaia Attacks, (Invincible when it is executed) and E-Tanks fill his energy to full once again. But he might not even need to use them... It depends on how much hits Sonic can stand against.

Raziel

2003-10-13, 07:38 PM

Oof. Jesus, I didn't realize Zero was so hardcore.

Kuja

2003-10-13, 09:38 PM

Your saying that Zero can travel almost a full screen but if you played Sonic you must know how many actualy screen Sonic can jump while at his max speed it far exceed the disctance Zero can jump charged so he wouldnt be able to get away.

Sonic can also Air Dash or/and slow himself up to achieve even GREATER distance while in the air.

So in no way Zero could escape by ground nor air.

Your also making Sonic sound like he got one way to attack and he would use frontal attack.

Here many way he can deal whit Zero.

Sonic could go in front and run on the side then do a combo : Hyper Slide Attack, Front Flip, Reverse Jump(somersault), Air Dash.

He could use is Time Stop once near to prevent Zero from moving and charging his spin dash to the max and achieve critical damage.

Hell he could transform in gold sonic and be invulnerable, many time faster and just touching an enemy would actualy cause damage, so what would happen if he would actualy attack while in gold sonic ?

Jump in the air once near Zero to go behind then a Homing Attack and a Slide Attack.

He could do his Wind Attack while getting to Zero to get near then use his Speed Up ability to increase his speed to do a Slide behind or on the side followed by a jump if Zero jump out of the way.

Note: Anyone who feel like it can add more attack but for myself i think i said enought to make my point.

Zero can also dodge attack in mid-air by a second Jump or Air-Dash ?

But he has to land and while in air it just give more time to Sonic to gather that much more speed for a that much more devastating blow.

Maybe he can hold up to wall but what is he gonna do there wait ? Sonic can climb too but he would just start to gather more speed while flickering all lever that could annoy/damage Zero until he would jump/fall down of the wall and get owned by an attack before he reach ground.

While Zero waste his Energy using his clone, Sonic can just keep/raise up his speed at distance while flipping lever untill the clone is gone.

He is used to destroy any type of metal.
Zero armor wont be that resistant to Sonic attack.

Senesia

2003-10-14, 01:29 AM

That's my hold point actually. Sonic can jump really far if he's at MAX speed, but with no charging, he can't get as far as Zero. Therefore I said if Sonic EVER stopped and attack, or slow down by the clones, he is in trouble because Zero CAN catch up then.

What if Zero uses his Gaia attack and becomes invulnerable and attack the whole screen? That's pretty much the same as Gold Sonic, therefore I got them cancelled out. (but Zero can use his Gaia attack quite a lot of times when he's fully upgraded...)

Zero's saber first slash goes horizontal, hitting everything from the left to right. Even if he can't react and turn to Sonic exactly face to face, he can at least face that direction and give a slash.

When Sonic is near in the air, Zero can do a upper-slash, and with different follow-ups: 360 degree slash (cyclone type thing), a downward stab (either Ice or Fire), dash slash, etc.

Also, Sonic isn't going to hit and run succesfully every single time, it is more like "crossing sword." The way I see it, everytime Sonic gives an attack, he will have a chance of getting hit. Z-Buster shot might be easy to dodge, but a close-ranged melee battle with Z-Saber isn't as easy as you think. (While Sonic smashes himself into other as an attack.)

The higher the speed, the higher the damage. It is true, but it will also increase the damage that Sonic will recieve if he gets slashed, stabbed, etc. Having a higher speed isn't a sure-win, since it puts himself into a greater risk.

The reason why I mentioned Zero's armor is because, in several of the MMX series, Zero actually gets an armor upgrade and it significantly increases his defense power.

Kuja

2003-10-14, 02:53 AM

He cant get as far as Zero when jumping ?
Thats just weird that i even have to explain about this.

At max speed i see sonic jump more then 4 screens and you can double that if he slow himself down a little + he can use his Air Dash.

Gold Sonic and Gaia canceling each other out ?
I dont think so it s not cause one use an attack that the other will just use his.

Sonic can go hide beind one of the platform while Zero use his Gaia.

For Gold Sonic it could be quickly activated while in close range to Zero when he is about to receive a Dash attack or something else or just for the sake of doing damage. It would deal no damage to Sonic and Zero would be attacked at serveral occasion whitout chance to react.

While it is true Z-Saber would deal more damage if Sonic is at top speed but his chance to hit Sonic are almost none.

If Zero use his dashing attack when Sonic come near, Zero is just Wide Open for and attack on the side or behind. Sonic can jump and do a few of the attack i mentioned/

For his few first attack if he use Gold Sonic + many attack then Time Stop and some more attack, Zero will just be over... Even if Zero had the strength to go on his armor would be so bent that it would affect his reaction time, Dashing speed (if he isnt damaged beyong being able to dash), movement speed (he might not even be able to move) and jumping capacity(if he still can do it). It would basicly render Zero useless and hardly able to dodge anything.

Note: Sonic need in no way to become slower to hit his target.
The only time he will have to become slower is when he is in ball mode and want to go back on foot or he can always jump and slow himself just a little to be out of his ball form and go back on the running.
That doesnt mean he goona do it next to Zero.
Let s not forget that the Hyper Slide doesnt affect Sonic speed in any way.

Oh also you say *it is more like "crossing sword." The way I see it*.
Is it the way it is or the way you think it is ?

Juggalo

2003-10-14, 05:40 AM

Zero...Would destroy that little damned Hedgehog...And yes because he isn't human he would be faster and have faster reflexes...

Kuja

2003-10-14, 07:00 AM

lol did you actualy read what you just wrote ?
Cause Sonic sure aint human either.
Sonic slower and lower reflex ?
This is just funny.

Sonic got way better reflex/speed then Zero.

Senesia

2003-10-14, 01:43 PM

Uh, I said if Sonic ever stopped, he will be caught up. I know what he can do at max speed, but he can't do as much without charging up, while Zero's abilities are constant.

I might as well bring up some of the MMX6 stuff then... Zero can equip up to 5 parts (4 parts and 1 limited part) on him. Each part serve as a power-up, and the limited part is a one-use item. For instance, temporarily enhance the defense greatly, or enhance the damage, no weapon energy required, etc.

I'll pick 4 parts he can equip (which are upgrades): Saber extend (created a "saber-aura", extended the slash range), D-converter (Convert damage to Weapon energy, more Gaia Attacks and Clones for Zero.), Shock Buffer, (Reduce damage taken by half and stun period) and Energy saver (Special attacks consume half the enegry which they normal would. Again, more Gaia Attacks and Clones! Not to mention the energy consumption is already 1/3 when Zero uses his "black" armor...)

Zero also has a spinning attack, Ensuizan. If he is unsure about where Sonic is aiming at, he can execute this attack to make sure Sonic would at least take damage, or retreat from his assault. His shadow dash-slash attack can be used to distract Sonic, forcing him to change direction and making his next move more predictable, as I've mentioned.

The dash-slash wouldn't leave him wide open, because it is not Zero who is slashing, but the shadow. The "dash" is just a little boost from his jet, which may last for as little as 0.01 second (In the game, you can use it without actually seeing Zero dash forward).

Another Gaia Attack Zero has (In MMX6) is Rekkoha, raining laser from the sky, and stopping the time as well. (Freezing the background, and drastically slow down the opponent) Zero can fill up his Gaia gauge by either taking damage, or by his W-Tank. The W-Tank would fill up any other weapon gauge at the same time (Clones, for instance)

It is not like Zero will cast his clone and wait for Sonic to come, he can wait til Sonic comes and cast the clone so that it blocks Sonic and gives both Zero and his clone a greater chance to hit Sonic. If Sonic retreats after seeing Zero's clone, Zero can simply discard the clone so that it doesn't drain weapon energy.

Sonic can't land multiple hits on Zero in close range, and every time he gets close he is risking to take damage from Z-Saber. Whenever Zero gets hit, he will turn invulnerable for a short period of time. (And no, that's just a game feature...) It has a name for it, too. Damage Barrier, Zero's (or X's) armor will generate a Damage Barrier whenever they get hit, rendering them invulnerable. So if Sonic does hit Zero, not only it fills his Gaia Gauge, it will also cause Zero to attack without worrying about anything. With Saber-Extend, Sonic can't even see the attack clearly, because he might dodge the saber itself but get hit by its aura.

The1

2003-10-14, 02:19 PM

Id take sonic in round 1 battle to kick zero's ass

Sovereign

2003-10-14, 03:34 PM

Good for you, now support it. WHy do you think a hedgehog made out of flesh and bones can beat the hell out of a ROBOT, a mechanical being, made out of armor etc. It just wouldnt make sence for sonic to "pwn" zero. Its the other way around. A massive arm cannon, all the skills that sen put up....too much for sonic. YOu can see his smoking carcass in the morge if you like him so much,.

Kuja

2003-10-14, 04:02 PM

If Sonic ever stopped, he will be caught up.

And why would he actualy stop ?

Shock Buffer stun period

Does it work on boss ?
Cause if it doesnt it shouldnt affect Sonic considering he isnt weak like those normal monster you see a little everywhere.

D-converter

How can the damage be converted into energy if there is no hit or hardly any ?

Sonic retreats after seeing Zero's clone, Zero can simply discard the clone so that it doesn't drain weapon energy.

Still Sonic could come back and run away when Zero use is clone and if Zero use it at last min Sonic could just jump attack him while getting away or being plain radical and change in gold sonic.

Sonic can't land multiple hits on Zero in close range

And why the hell you decided that ?
Did you play Sonic on gamecube ?
Cause he is more then able to do several attack !

But If your using the temp invincible game feature Zero just lost the match ... Sonic has no energy, he loose his ring once hit and become temp invul too giving him time pull an attack and then fetch more ring or just fetch most of his ring and keep going.

Game Over Zero lost.

Senesia

2003-10-14, 06:43 PM

No, Zero's temp invinciblity is NOT a game feature. I've mentioned it in my previous post. It is called Damage-Barrier, a barrier generated by Zero's armor when it recieves damage.

You've misunderstood what a D-Converter is. It converts the damage ZERO's take FROM Sonic into weapon/Gaia energy for ZERO.

Shock Buffer reduces stun period from any kind of attack. (It is one of the "parts" in MMX6)

Cerridwen

2003-10-15, 01:40 AM

Sonic may be fast, but he also tires. Zero's an android, and if he drains his weapon or life energy stores, he could have it refilled by another and would still keep on going. Just because we play him (Sonic) on a game as the tireless hedgehog he is, this is a "real" battle we're dealing with here, where nobody controls the action and realistically adds up to the tension and drama of who will win against who. We don't use control pads and urge him to go as far as he likes. He's just a hedgehog, could you blame him if he stops to rest for a while? And are there rings involved in the arena?

I was asking if the fight would be fought in 2D or 3D in order to point out some points to be pointed out, with each weaknesses set to another's advantage, and all that. I mean, I was just pointing it out. I didn't mean anything about it...