Battle! Seymour vs. Seifer [Archive]

Raziel

2003-09-23, 08:19 PM

Arena: Stygian Depths - A multi-level cavern, flooded with molten lava and fire. Rocks jut out of the hot sauce at varying heights creating platforms of different widths and shapes. The cavern is completely enclosed, with large stalactites hanging from the 75 foot "ceiling." Caverns wind in and out of the main chamber, shaky rope bridges are suspended at varying height intervals, and one large circular platform (about 50 feet in diameter) is suspended by chains about 50 feet above the center of the main cavern.

In the Red Corner, sporting a hairstyle that can only take hours to prepare. Armed with enough magic and summoning capabilities to bend even Martha Stewart to his will! The misbegotten husband of Yuna, the great deciever himself, from Final Fantasy 10: Seymour Omnis!!!

And in the Blue Corner, showing off his lovely new facial scar! Equipped with his very own gunblade, No Mercy Limit Break and a metric ton of magical firepower! The Knight of The Sorceress, the Bad SeeD, from Final Fantasy 8: Seifer Almasy!!!

Who will emerge victorious in this brawl of devious plots and sinister assaults? Will it simply boil down to magical muscle, or will these hardened criminals manipulate their way to the top of the food chain? This is your moment to shine! Cast off the gloves! It's time to kick some ass!!!

Raziel

2003-09-23, 08:31 PM

Kuja`s #1 asked me to post this for him since he didn't think he would get the chance to. Frankly, I like the enthusiasm shown here. I can't wait to see Kuja vs Lloyd. Here we go...

Since Seymour can take powers from all his former bodies, I'll take certain ones. I'll list them.

Seymour-summoning Anima
Seymour, Seymour Natus-multi lv. 2(Fira, Blizara, Thundera, Watera) magic.
Seymour Natus-Mortibody
Seymour Natus, Seymour Flux-Flare
Seymour Flux-Mortiorchis

That's about it. I'll place the Mortiorchis on Seymour's lower body. The wings and energy chargers will be put on his shoulders. That's done. Battle begin!

Seifer walks up to Seymour. "Who the hell are you"?

Seymour stares at him.

"Fine. Don't answer." Seifer swings his sword in the traditional slash, slash, and bringing it down over his head, holding it vertically in front of his face. "I'm gonna mess you up. You gonna die!"

"Hmph. Try."

"Fine." he charges.

Seymour floats into the air. "Pitiful mortal.." His body morphs into the new form.

"What the hell!?" Seifer says. He looked up at the weird form that was Seymour Omnis(Seymour X as I call him because of the extra parts) Seifer studied him. Surely with those wheels he couldn't move to dodge his attacks. He sneered at Seymour. "You dead now."

He charges again jumping into the air. But as he fell towards Seymour the Mortibody came out of nowhere and struck Seifer with Shattering Claw. Seifer fell backward onto the ground. He had a long cut across his stomach.

"Foolish. You can't get near me without me cut down." Seymour said with an icy glare down on Seifer.

"Then I'll just have to..." Seifer jumped up and cast Firega. The spell hit Seymour. It seemed to hurt him slightly, but not greatly. "Heh, I'm just getting warmed up. Lots more pain to come."

Seymour stared at him.

Seifer was enraged at the lack of concern. He cast Meteor. Only one hit Seymour. The rest hit the Mortibody. It did over 4,000 damage. The Mortibody needed to live so it used Mortisorption. Seifer saw this and noticed Seymour seemed somewhat hurt. "Hhahaha" he laughed softly. He had the perfect strategy.

But he had waited to long. He was hit with a Multi-Fira. They knocked him over. He let out a cry of pain. He looked up at Seymour. "Bastard..." He stood up and ran towards him. He dodged the Mortibody and slashed Seymour three times. He moved away to doge the Mortibody attacks.

He continued to dodge the Mortibody's attacks. "You so f'n slow." he said laughing.

"come to me Anima!" Seifer jumped back and fell over in surprise. a giant, creature emerged from the ground. The creature let out a horrid cry as it over Seifer.

"Shit." Seifer said. He began jumping wildy, dodging Anima's Pain attack. Seifer thought swiftly about how he would kill the thing. Anima finally hit Seifer. H went flying through the air. He struggled to get up. Every bone in his body felt broken. He looked up to see the monster disapear.

Seymour's body began to shake. The little things on his shoulders began to glow.

Seifer didn't know what was going to happen, but he knew it would be bad. He willed himself to move. He started to crawl away. He heard a strange noise. All of a sudden, a bold of energy hit him. A couple other bolts were fired but missed. He felt as though he was an inch from death. Then he looked up and saw Seymour's body without the wheels floating over him. His sent down about a dozen bolts of energy. About half hit Seifer.

Seymour flew back to the middle of the wheels and attatched himself with the bottom again. His body turned a weird, reddish color. Bits of energy flew off his body.

Seifer knew he had one chance. He struggled to his feet. "Blood..."

"Too late" Seymour shoted. He waved his arm "ULTIMA" The energy began to strike Seifer in slash-like movements. The final explositon sent Seifer flying through the air. He was dead before he hit the ground.

The wheels became transparent and vanished. Seymour floated to the ground. He waled over to Seifer's lifeless body and looked at it briefly. "Only the first step. Many more will die. But there is no salvation for the damned." He swept his hand over his head and brought in dow in a cutting move. "Rest in peace in eternal darkness." He laughed.

!King_Amazon!

2003-09-23, 08:52 PM

Well, there's not really much you can argue against what Kuja said, and he's correct, Seymour would kick Seifer's ass. I really don't feel the need to repeat what Kuja said, so I'll just agree with him and let it be.

Medieval Bob

2003-09-24, 10:45 AM

I'd really like to stand up for Seifer just to support the underdog (and I very well may come back later and do just that) however, I think that just the fact that Seymour dies, then comes back for not one, but two more boss battles is just a bit much...

WetWired

2003-09-24, 12:50 PM

Seifer wins. Seymour is a pansy. Yuna slapped him 4 times in the last battle with her pretty but impractical staff and he fell over dead; he didn't even bother to try to fight back.

Titusfied

2003-09-24, 02:12 PM

But he loved her...

zeal311

2003-09-24, 06:38 PM

Seymour would summon Anima(the coolest summon in the world) and annihalate Siefer.

uncapped

2003-09-24, 07:03 PM

Seifer wins. Seymour is a pansy. Yuna slapped him 4 times in the last battle with her pretty but impractical staff and he fell over dead; he didn't even bother to try to fight back.

And Seifer isn't a pansy? That pussy was Edea's bitch.

Kuja`s #1

2003-09-24, 07:25 PM

Let's ACTUALLY get some good info about the both of them.

statistics

Seymour- final HP 80,000
final defense-180
final magic defense-100

Seifer final HP-34,5000
final strenght-estimated at a little above or a little below 100
final magic power-barely 100

personality
Seymour-cool and calculating

Seifer-hot-headed and impulsive

background

Seymour-Twisted by the darkness of the world, granted power by his mother who turned herself into a Fayth which called the aeon Anima. Kills his father and becomes a Mastier of Yevon.

Seifer-grew up in Edea's orphange until being transfered to Garden. Gifted but incapable of taking orders.

Endings

Seymour-Fainal Battle in Sin. Turns into Omnis in order to kill you so he can control Sin. Unfortuanately, he summoned to much mystical energy and he did not have enough energy to dissapear.

Seifer-Final Battle in Lunatic Pandora. He tries to stop you. He has no real goal. Just a warrior and a puppet Ultamecia uses to halt your progress.

With Protect and/or Shell, Seymour would reduce Seifer magical and physical attacks to 1,000 AT BEST!

Seifer loses. I will be deeply shocked if Seymour doesn't win. Especially since I'm the only one who's given a good arguement either way.

To WetWired: So Yuna and the other beat him 4 times. If I remember correctly Seifer was defeated a total of four times. Even if he wasn't at full strength the one time. The bottom line is Seifer could not win because he doesn't think things through.

Seymour Wins!!

Raziel

2003-09-25, 06:11 AM

Damn...Kuja has his bases covered! This match still has a ways to go, though, so let's see some action, people!

!King_Amazon!

2003-09-25, 08:14 AM

It has been more than 24 hours.

WetWired

2003-09-25, 09:08 AM

To WetWired: So Yuna and the other beat him 4 times. If I remember correctly Seifer was defeated a total of four times. Even if he wasn't at full strength the one time. The bottom line is Seifer could not win because he doesn't think things through.No, I mean that when I fought him inside Sin, I thought I'd let Yuna get some payback, so I just kept defending with my other charactors while Yuna hit Seymour 4 times with her staff, killing him. I mean come on, a boss that can be killed in 4 physical hits from a magic based charactor? Sounds pretty weak to me.

Kuja

2003-09-25, 10:05 AM

Seifer is stronger then you seem to think he is.
After all he did beat Odin at his own game (1 shot kill)!
His Attack Gunblade swipe,Fira, Fire swipe, Firaga, Fire, Dispel, Haste,Thundara, Tornado Sword attack,Cura, Fire-all cross-slash
Cross Sword Limit Breaks: No Mercy

If odin get chopped by Seifer in 1 hit I highly doubt a Aeon would be much more challenging.

Seifer would cast haste on himself and quickly attack whit his gunblade normal attack and gunblade special attack(Gunblade swipe,Tornado Sword,Fire-all cross-slash). Seymour can always try to cast protective spell on him but only to get dispelled by Seifer. Then Seymour would do attack to just to lower seifer health to end up allowing Seifer to do his Cross Sword : No Mercy then heal himself up while Seymour put peice of his ass back together. The downfall of Seymour will be underestimating the power and speed of seifer.

!King_Amazon!

2003-09-25, 10:15 AM

You say seifer is good because he beat Odin. Odin is a pansy compared to some aeons, including Anima.

Kuja

2003-09-25, 11:34 AM

Odin can 1 shot kill anything he attack yet Seifer awareness,Strength and speed was good enought to actualy be faster then Odin automatic Preemptive attack something that no other char in final fantasy is even able to do the only 1 that come close is Ozma in FFIX that get his time bar filled each time someone receive a command. Seifer Dispatched Odin whit ease like no 1 could do it deff. show his greater skill.

Medieval Bob

2003-09-25, 01:00 PM

Summons in older FF games were much, much more powerful than any aeons in FF10. Also, they weren't your bitch. What I mean by that is that they didn't come out, replace your party, fight two rounds against a boss and "feint" like some gay ass pokemon. Don't even attempt to compare aeons to old-school summons.

!King_Amazon!

2003-09-25, 01:02 PM

Odin could only 1 hit kill normal monsters, he could lance bosses but that's it.

Kuja

2003-09-25, 01:20 PM

He just didnt appear on those fight that doesnt mean he couldnt after all he could 1 shot kill your party in the place where you would get him. He just decided to see if you were worthy and give you time before he do his 1 attack kill.

Summons in older FF games were much, much more powerful than any aeons in FF10.
didn't come out, replace your party

they weren't your bitch.

gay ass pokemon.

Very good point you just brought ! :p

Titusfied

2003-09-25, 02:14 PM

I thought Odin became Geglamesh (Sp?) after that happened, or something like that, right? Maybe I am way off basis, its been a few years, so I don't quite remember.

Kuja

2003-09-25, 02:45 PM

Nah they aint the same Odin sword went to Gilgamesh when he died.

Squall: "Odin....!?"
Seifer: "Hah, I won't go down that easy."
"Show me what you got, Squall."
"Let me add another scar for you!"
Gilgamesh: "You gave me? the 4th one...!"
"Huh? Was it you...?"
"Then dodge my sword!"
"Eat this!!!"

Titusfied

2003-09-25, 03:24 PM

Ahhh, never really understood what happened there, thanks.

Kuja

2003-09-25, 05:17 PM

Well ppl post some lol there many way that Seifer can ravage Seymour i gave a few reason and the only attack i say he did were melee i didnt even use any spell of the black magic type. :-)
Seifer > Seymour.

Kuja`s #1

2003-09-26, 02:23 PM

Seifer > Seymour.

What a joke. You said it yourself that you didn't even use any attack magic. Seifer CAN'T win even IF you had used it. Since you gave an expalanation of Seifer's abillities, I'll do the same.

Seymour-Fire, Fira, Firega, Thunder, Thundera, Thunderga, Bilizzard, Blizzara, Blizzarga, Water, Watera, Waterga, Break, Protect, Shell, Reflect, Dispel(ALL), Multi-Magic(Fira, Thundera, Watera, Blizzara), Lance of Atrophy, Flare, Cura, Ultima

Mortibody-Desperado, Cura, Shattering Claw

Mortiorchis-Cross Cleave, Full-Life
Seymour+Mortiorchis-Total Anihillation

Each of the attacks listed above are extremely deadly. Seymour and Mortibody's Cura could easilly cure Seymour's HP up by 3,000 combined. That may not seem like much, but Seifer can't hardly hurt him anyway. Don't get me wrong, Seifer is strong, he's just outclassed in this instance.

The Lance of Atrophy causes Zombie, but it can still deal some good, physical damage.

His most powerful attacks, Flare, Total Anihillation and Ultima, could probably combined take about 1/3 of Seifer's final HP. Total Anihhilation is an attack that causes multiple damage. At first he would probably cause 2,000 damage, but when he launches himself into the air he would probably cost 3500 damage. Ultima would cost Seifer well over 7,000 even though his Magic Dfense stat is somewhat high, it isn't high enough.

Cross Cleave would hurt him about half of what Total Anihillation could do.

Now onto Defense. Seifer with Gunblade Slash wouldn't even reach the 900 mark. His other powerfull Limit Breaks could cost about...2000. As I said above, Seymour's physical defense has pretty much always been high. Seifer's magics are just there to keep him interesting. They're really crappy and pathetically weak.

As for Anima, his HP is rather high from what I remember. Seifer would get somewhat hurt, but he probably could kill Anima.

Other Issues: Seymour's love was even more than obsession. After death, his plans changed and so did his personallity, power-hungry to destructive. Though his love for Yuna never lessened. It was a mortal desire that could not be stamped out by the cold hands of death.

Battle:

Seymour: Casts Protect
Seifer: Dispel
Seymour: Thunderga
Seifer: Gunblade slash
Seifer: Slash
Mortibody: Desperado
Seymour: Blizzarga
Seifer: Firega
Seifer: Slash
Seymour: Break(Seifer can't be Petrified)
Seifer: Tornado Slash
Seymour: Cura
Mortibody: Cura
Seifer: Cura
Mortiorchis: Auto-Mode
Seifer: Thundera
Mortiorchis: Ready to Anihilate
Seifer: slash
Seymour: Reflect
Seymour+Mortiorchis: Total Anihillation
Seifer: Bloodfest
Seymour: Flare(on himself but he cast Reflect on himself)
Seymour: Lance of Atrophy
Mortibody: Shattering Claw
Seifer: Cura
Seymour: Ultima
Seymour: Firega

It would go until Seifer was dead. Seymour can cure himself and his attacks are three times as powerful as Seifer's attacks.

uncapped

2003-09-26, 02:40 PM

Kuja's #1, while I do like a lot of your arguments, damage is irrelevent. Both characters are based on different games, so if one character has 9000 hp, and the other 9 million, that doesnt mean shit.

Kuja`s #1

2003-09-26, 02:53 PM

So it doesn't matter if one is weak and wil be cut down in one strike? Seymour is very slow and can't dodge attacks. He relies on his defense.

What about statistics like phys. attacks strengh?

Senesia

2003-09-26, 02:57 PM

Statistics shouldn't matter. You can say he has high, solid defense, but bringing in numbers wouldn't strengthen your point.

That's how I see it...

Kuja`s #1

2003-09-26, 03:04 PM

Well then, I already stated what would happen in a real battle. I also listed his arsenal and such, so there should be no more arguement. Seymour wins!!

Kuja

2003-09-26, 03:17 PM

Serious i think we can all see you dont see seifer for what he is.

Each of the attacks listed above are extremely deadly. Seymour and Mortibody's Cura could easilly cure Seymour's HP up by 3,000 combined. That may not seem like much, but Seifer can't hardly hurt him anyway..

Now he some sort of weak imp for some reason ? if you didnt read he got dispell so no use for him to cast 2 spell while seifer could get 1 attack in and dispell just as seymour done buffing himself.

His most powerful attacks, Flare, Total Anihillation and Ultima, could probably combined take about 1/3 of Seifer's final HP. Total Anihhilation is an attack that causes multiple damage. At first he would probably cause 2,000 damage, but when he launches himself into the air he would probably cost 3500 damage.
Cross Cleave would hurt him about half of what Total Anihillation could do.

From what i see Total Anihillation highest part of the dmg is from melee contact and that mean he could always dodge it.
Also you make it sound like he can do infinite attack while seifer just sit there. Seifer is fast even more whit haste and if Seymour cast dispell he lose a round and Seifer still gained even more time then his normal speed allow him.
Cross Cleave seem like melee to me so can be dodged.
Mostly since from what i see this guy is a caster so he cant be that good as a melee.

Now onto Defense. Seifer with Gunblade Slash wouldn't even reach the 900 mark. His other powerfull Limit Breaks could cost about...2000.

Where The Hell your brain just went ? Here again you compare Seifer to a imp whit a toothpick. Dispell no fucken shell or nothing. His damage would be much higher and his speed again allow him to attack much more often.

As for Anima, his HP is rather high from what I remember. Seifer would get somewhat hurt, but he probably could kill Anima.

Did you actualy read all the post ?

Odin can 1 shot kill anything he attack yet Seifer awareness,Strength and speed was good enought to actualy be faster then Odin automatic Preemptive attack something that no other char in final fantasy is even able to do the only 1 that come close is Ozma in FFIX that get his time bar filled each time someone receive a command. Seifer Dispatched Odin whit ease like no 1 could do it deff. show his greater skill.

He just didnt appear on those fight that doesnt mean he couldnt after all he could 1 shot kill your party in the place where you would get him. He just decided to see if you were worthy and give you time before he do his 1 attack kill.

Summons in older FF games were much, much more powerful than any aeons in FF10.
didn't come out, replace your party

they weren't your bitch.

gay ass pokemon.

And if Seymour cast dispell, Seifer can cast haste again and be on advantage whit Seymour since his natural speed higher and haste make him crazy. Seifer would end up being able to do attack before the next dispell. So Seymour would probably not be stupid enought to keep dispelling while getting ravaged. But if he does he could do it easier on himself by jumping in a coffin.

Kuja`s #1

2003-09-26, 03:26 PM

Seifer could not dodge Total Anihillation. It blows everything around him to hell. He could dodge to the left and to the right, but he can't dodge them all. I say more than half would hit him.

Seymour won't always cast Dispel. I said aboce about how strong his magic powers are. Multi-Fira and all that shit would fuck'n kill Seifer! You didn't even mention Ultima. The ULTIMATE MAGIC ATTACK!!! I can't see Seifer dodging that. And as soon as it hits him...that fucker is dead!

I would also like to mention that you didn't read MY post. I stated a battle, configuring both character's powers. If you had read it, I have Seifer doing two attacks in a row sometimes. If you don't even configure Seymour's powers as a deadly. Make it sound like Seifer could attack ENDLESSLY. Seymour with the Mortibody watching Seifer could easilly keep Seifer at bay. Seifer couldn't get close with out getting slashed by it.

Kuja

2003-09-26, 03:39 PM

lol so now that you have actualy no argument to fight you actualy say ultima will 1 shot kill ?
I dont think that how it work.
Seifer win he gonna slash that monkey into peices.

Kuja`s #1

2003-09-26, 03:50 PM

That's all your arguement. Dodge and slash. That wouldn't win a victory against Seymour. I just said that the Mortibody would keep Seifer at bay. Should he come close the Mortibody could cut him up! Also the Lance of Atrophy coul pierce right through Seifer pussy human body. With Seymour's mystical forms, how do you know that Seifer's sword wouldn't just breakp on Seymour? Yo don't. You are the one with no arguement my extremely arguementative friend.

Senesia

2003-09-26, 04:00 PM

With Seymour's mystical forms, how do you know that Seifer's sword wouldn't just breakp on Seymour? Yo don't.

Since Seymour is not immune to Physical attacks, I'd assume that Seifer's blade will hurt him instead of breaking the sword itself.

Kuja`s #1

2003-09-26, 04:04 PM

Yeah I did mess up on that. But my other points are valid. Seymour's attacks are just to strong for Seifer to kill him. Ultima, Flare and Lance of Atrophy would be enough I'd assume since Ultima and Flare are the strongest black magic and Seymours strength is rather formiddable though some people don't know that.

Kuja

2003-09-26, 05:34 PM

Seifer skills are still better then the 1 of seymour his gunblade would do high dmg hit + shoot = bang great damage.
No to mention his speed that is better and even much better while hasted. There no reason to deny Seifer his victory over Seymour.

Seymour = high damage very slowly
Seifer = Nice damage Very Quickly !

Because of his speed he would quickly gain up on the damage.

Kuja`s #1

2003-09-26, 05:53 PM

I hope someday that you will read my post. The Mortibody could fight Seifer and keep him at bay. Its Shattering Claw could severely hurt Seifer and keep him distracted long enough to give Seymour enough time to attack with some kick ass magic.

Enough of just statistcs and moves. A part of these battles are analizing the character's mind and such.

Seifer is impulsive. He is so fucking arrogant that he wouldn't take Seymour seriously. He'd blow him off and dance and shit because he has the brain of a piece of shit.

Seymour is calculating. He does not rush into a battle. He examines an enemy and configures that person's or persons' weaknesses.

With Seifer taking him lightly and Seymour observing all Seifer's faults, Seymour could easilly win.

Kuja

2003-09-26, 06:07 PM

Your really taking Seifer like a rat.
He taking stuff seriously he turned against his own garden.
When he was fighting when he in the party he was looking at that like a joke but the rest when he not ? He taking it seriously.
When he fight squall in the starting movie seq. You can tell he serious.
When he launch his attack against another garden 2 his old 1 he serious again.
Each time you fight him he doesnt mess arround.

Your judging him like he was some circus clown thinking he a fucken weakling that doesnt take anything seriously.

The only 1 that hardly give a shit in FFVIII is Squall.

Kuja`s #1

2003-09-26, 06:17 PM

(deep sigh)

For one, you said nothing of his arrogance. He taunts Squall in the beginning and he taunts through out the game. He is so fuck'n full of himself its sick. Even Kuja knew when arrogance was placed at the right time. Seifer just can't help it. Its like Edea or I guess Ultamecia says "he's just a scared little boy"

He has so many issues. Its really quite sad For one self-doubt in an extreme case. He can't convince himself that he's the shit so he keeps repeating it only to get "the shit" knocked out of him.

Your not mentioning Seymour at all. His is extremely cautious. Seifer would taunt him and since there would be no reaction from Seymour, Seifer wouldn't like that. His own inner rage would consume him and the blood would rush to his brain making him incapable of thinking properly under pressure. That's what makes him such a bad warrior.

Kuja

2003-09-26, 06:26 PM

Again your WAY OVER EXAGGERATING what he is.

The only 1 he would have any chance to go nuts and lose control cause he mad on would be squall it s a fight they had since they are born nobody else would be able 2 remove his focus from a mission he on.

His current Mission : Destroying Seymour.

Kuja`s #1

2003-09-26, 06:39 PM

Seymours Mission: winning Zel Melee and destroying the Universe

obstacle: Seifer Almasy

He's a pawn in the way of a King. He doesn't have an agenda. He doesn't have a will. He's a puppet and all his powers were given to him by Ultamecia. He's nothing more than the Sorceress' Lap Dog.

Again you don't mention his stupidity at being arrogant. He naturally assumes he's gonna kick some ass and then his ass is getting kicked. He blindly rushes into battles.

You are the one who is completely blind kuja. You simply refuse to see Seymour is superior in every way! His temperment, strength and everything else. I acknowledge the fact Seifer is strong and fast. I know ALL about him. But the fact of the matter is, Seymour is just too strong and too
smart. S

Back to battle plans. Seifer with Haste might be able to get past the Mortibody. Though the Mortiorchis' Cross Cleave could do some damage. Seifer is fast but Cross Cleave is to powerful and wide-spread for him to dodge.

He could Cura himself to negate all Seifer has done and the Mortibody could use Desperado. Again, a wide-spread attack that he could not doge.

Seifer would probably use his Limit now. Or maybe some magic. Unfortuanately, Seymour could use Multi-Blizzara. That would stun him for a sec. Allowing Seymour to cast Flare.

Seifer cures himself. He probably strikes three more times. Seymour cast Cura on himself and the Mortibody uses Desperado again.

Seifer uses Firega. Seymour does nothing. Seifer continuously slashes. Total Anihillation! Seifer could not doge this attack either.

Kuja

2003-09-26, 07:40 PM

He doesn't have an agenda. He doesn't have a will. He's a puppet and all his powers were given to him by Ultamecia. He's nothing more than the Sorceress' Lap Dog.

His agenda you know it he tell about it !
It s being the knight of the witch.
His will.
He want to succeed at what he doing he take being knight of the witch very seriously.
A puppet.
If you call his romantic fantasy puppet well Seymour nothing better.

Yuna slapped him 4 times in the last battle with her pretty but impractical staff and he fell over dead; he didn't even bother to try to fight back.
But he loved her...

He naturally assumes he's gonna kick some ass. He blindly rushes into battles.

Assume he's gonna kick ass...
Yeah i think thats it s a good point thinking you gonna lose will help losing. Positive thinking is the key Thx for helping Seifer out.

He blindly rush ? Plz tell me where you see that... The only rushing i see was in the start and it was squall rushing.

I know ALL about him. But the fact of the matter is, Seymour is just too strong and too
smart.

If you would of did know ALL about him you wouldnt have pointed that wrong statement about him Charging Blindly,Being Berserk and stuff like that cause he aint that way the only 1 that could push him to do that would be squall.

He could Cura himself to negate all Seifer has done.
Your considering Curu like an elixir or your back whit putting toothpick in Seifer hand ...

I dont feel like posting what would happen again.

Not to mention your making look like he can cast none-stop and spell are instant.
Spell are not working like a fucken Uzi.

Seymours wouldnt win.

!King_Amazon!

2003-09-26, 07:41 PM

It's obvious Seymour would win. Just close this shit and move on.

Kuja

2003-09-26, 07:45 PM

Here we go another that beleive magic come out of a uzi.

!King_Amazon!

2003-09-26, 07:47 PM

I don't believe whatever you are talking about, I just believe Seymour would kick Seifer's ass, simple as that. This thread is getting to long for me to even want to read it, so it should just be closed.

Kuja`s #1

2003-09-26, 08:08 PM

You continuously say that I'm stating as though Seymour can cast non-stop magic. I'm gonna say it one more time READ THE WHOLE FUCK'N POST!!!

I say plenty of times that Seifer would use multiple attacks before Seymour could attack. He is a fucking puppet. Ultamecia says when Elione takes Squall back in time to the time where Ultamecia posseses Rinoa, "Only then shall I restore you with dreams" or some shit like that. He's nothing more than a slave to Ultamecia.

Seymour's Cura is very strong. Not able to restore all his HP but enough to restore 1/2-1/3 of what Seifer was able to do.

I'm writting one more battle scenarion in the hope that SOMEONE will read all of it.

Seifer-Fira
[Seifer-Slash
Seymour-Lance of Atrophy
Seifer-slash
Mortibody-Shattering Claw
Seifer-Firega
Seifer-Haste
Seymour-Blizzarga
Seifer-slash
Seymour-Cura
Mortibody-Desperado
Seifer-Thundera
Seifer-Meteor
Seymour-Shell
Seifer-slash
Mortibody-Cura
Seifer-Dispel
Seymour-Dispel
Seifer-Firega
Mortibody-Cura
Seymour-Flare
Seifer-slash
Seifer-slash
Seymour-ULTIMA
Seifer-Cura
Mortibody-Desperado
Seifer-slash
seifer-Tornado Slash
Seymour-nothing
Mortibody-Cura
Mortiorchis-Ready to anihilliate
Seifer-slash
Seifer-Cura
Seymour+Mortiorchis-Total Anihillation!
Mortibody-Cura
Seifer-No Mercy
Seifer-Haste
Seifer-Fira
Seymour-Flare

It should be over by now. Seifer's magic def is low. Constant Curing would definately be needed in this battle. Seifer would attack alot as I have pointed out before. That would be an RPG battle. Here's a real battle.

Seifer ran towards Seymour. Slashed several times. Dodged Mortibody. Casts Firega.

Seymour waits. Observes Seifer. Casts Thunderga. Mortibody uses Desperado.

Seifer dodges some Desperado but not all the energy blasts. Uses Haste. Runs and slashes Seymour several times.

Seymour and Mortibody uses Cura.

Seifer slashes.

Mortibody hits him and makes a deep cut on his stomach. Seymour uses Dispel

Seifer-Fira. Cura on himself. Runs around looking for an opening.

Seymour keeps tabs on him with the Mortibody. Mortibody chases him around so he's in front of Seymour. Seymour uses Lance of Atrophy.

Seifer-Meteor. Bloodfest. Retreats to plan another attack.

Seymour watches him. Plans a move and orders the Mortibody to use Desperado. Why Seifer jumps around, Casts Flare.

It could go on for hours. I'm done though. If kuja posts a reply, I'll reply but I'm done for now.

Kuja

2003-09-26, 08:26 PM

Then why dont you just not come back.

Let s take a look at your USEFULL post so far.

Well, there's not really much you can argue against what Kuja said, and he's correct, Seymour would kick Seifer's ass. I really don't feel the need to repeat what Kuja said, so I'll just agree with him and let it be.

You mean you couldnt come up whit nothing ? Come on really im sure your not THAT dumb are you ?

It has been more than 24 hours.
It's obvious Seymour would win. Just close this shit and move on.

OMG ! Now thats what i call contributing to a thread.

You say seifer is good because he beat Odin. Odin is a pansy compared to some aeons, including Anima.

No reason or argument ?
Arnt they the base of Zelaron Melee ?

Odin could only 1 hit kill normal monsters, he could lance bosses but that's it.

What an inaccurate statement Odin just decide when he fight he want the party to show him honor by fighting at important event he can 1 shot anything just like i explained in a earlier post.

And for you kuja's #1.

You continuously say that I'm stating as though Seymour can cast non-stop magic. I'm gonna say it one more time READ THE WHOLE FUCK'N POST!!!

Lol take a peice of your own advice.
Seifer would probably use his Limit now. Or maybe some magic. Unfortuanately, Seymour could use Multi-Blizzara. That would stun him for a sec. Allowing Seymour to cast Flare.

Kuja`s #1

2003-09-26, 08:33 PM

WTF is with enlarging that shit?

Magic doesn't come out of an Uzi. Its more like a Pump. Its causes a whole lot of pain it just isn't rapidly fired out there. Except for Multi-LV. 2 Magic of course.

Kuja

2003-09-26, 08:44 PM

Maybe cause you said :
it would stun him a sec giving seymour time for flare ?
Right ... I always knew he could recast right away .... and that flare was a 1 sec cast ! Be realistic.

Else i could say lot of unrealistic crap like :
Hey did you know seifer been puting nuclearbomb in his gunblade for higher dmg ?

Kuja`s #1

2003-09-26, 08:50 PM

What's your prob? Flare is about 2.5 seconds fast. I'm just simplifying it dumb ass. What would you say? "It stunned him for two seconds." I doubt it. Your posts aren't even worth anything anymore. I have proven every arguement of your's wrong. Well except Anima. But besides that all you're posts were saying the exact opposite. I actually think your lowering Seifer's chances. Your strategy is "run and slash" My strategy is "Mortibody keeps him from getting to close. Cast magic and then use Ultimate Attacks" Its over.

Kuja

2003-09-26, 09:03 PM

You think he can just go on and on casting like some whore in a rampage ? ever seen time bar fill up ? Maybe it s cause of the time he gota wait(recovery). Seifer being much faster give him way big advantage.

And lowering his chance ? I gave my reason why he would win and then you started saying some weirdo point and so i felt just prooving you wrong on your point is enought. Even if i would give step by step battle it doesnt matter. I said why and my reason.

ask_rabber

2003-09-26, 09:04 PM

Don't know if I'm hallucinating, but I believe you said that Seymour has a long "warm up" so to speak. If Seifer is stunned, would he not be back in the game by the time it's Seymours next attack? If that's the case, he could ge this limit break off and do some serious damage. I've never played FF10 or whatever, but I'm gonna have to agree with Kuja and say that Seifer was a badass. He was arrogant, but he could back that shit up.

Kuja`s #1

2003-09-26, 09:15 PM

If you never played FFX please STFU.

For god's sake, Kuja. I've stated time after time again. that Seifer would have a high attack rate. I keep stating and restating it. Apparently your brain can't accept it or something.

You keep saying he's fast and that he can attack INFINATELY! I'm sick of it! Seymour is quite fast himself. On occasion he could indeed attack Seifer like that. Its rare, but you'll see it in every battle. Even the slower monsters or whatever can use two attacks in a row.

I could give a two-hundred+ post on why both of them could win. Personally I think your posts are an insult. Slash, Slash, Dodge, Limit Break. That's it! All you keep saying is that I underestimate Seifer. I DON'T! You have no more arguements. It's done. Give it up and wait for the Kuja battle.

ask_rabber

2003-09-26, 09:19 PM

Let's not make this personal kid, just simmer down. If you're gonna whine about me stating the fact that I don't have anything against Seymour, besides his name is a little faggish, you definitely need to take a chill pill.

Kuja`s #1

2003-09-26, 09:22 PM

I AM CALM!!

No just kidding. If you're gonna judge Seymour by his name, you'd better get out because you don't know shit.

Seymour can use the most powerful magic in the game, has great physical strength, and his intelligence far surpasses that of Seifer.

ask_rabber

2003-09-26, 09:26 PM

Yeah, you obviously cannot read. I just said, I have nothing against Seymour besides his name. I don't know anything about him, therefore I cannot judge him. Because you can't comprehend what was written, you need to get to school because you don't know shit.

Kuja`s #1

2003-09-26, 09:39 PM

FU!

I would say something else, but I believe I have stated all the facts. Seymour is just too strong and moderately fast for Seifer's medium strength attacks and high spped.

I feel obligated to make a short battle.

Seifer would use slash. Haste. Slash, slash.

Seymour would use Dispel.

Seifer would use Fira.

Mortibody would use Desperado.

Seifer would use slash.

Seymour would use Firega.

Seifer would use Meteor. Perhaps another slash. Then Firega.

Seymour would use Lance of Atrophy.

Mortibody would use Cura.

Seifer would use Haste. Then he would use Cura. Then he would use Thundera. Then he would use slash.

Seymour would use Multi-Watera.

Seifer would use slash.

Mortibody would use Shattering CLaw.

Seifer would use Firega. He would use slash. Then slash.

Mortibody Cura

Seymour would use Dispel.

Seifer would use Thundera. Then Firega.

Mortibody would use Desperado.

Seifer would use slash.

Seymour would use Flare.

Seifer would use a Limit Break. Then Cura.

Seymour would use Cura and so would the Mortibody.

Seifer would use slash. Then Meteor. Then Slash.

Mortibody would use Shattering Claw.

Seymour would use Lance of Atrophy. Then Multi-Fira.

Seifer would use Haste. Then slash. Then slash. Then Fira.

Mortibody would use Cura.

Seymour would cast Ultima.

It could go on for hours. Seymour's speed and magic are a lethal combination. He could never match the speed of Seifer. But his defenses are just to powerful for Seifer to cause anything trully powerful and potentially lethal.

Kuja

2003-09-26, 09:40 PM

If you never played FFX please STFU.

I think any 1 has the right to participate in any battle.
It s not cause they didnt play the game that they dont know nothing about them + gamefaqs.com give lot about most char in zelaron melee.

You keep saying he's fast and that he can attack INFINATELY! I'm sick of it! Seymour is quite fast himself. On occasion he could indeed attack Seifer like that. Its rare, but you'll see it in every battle. Even the slower monsters or whatever can use two attacks in a row.

I actualy tell you how your statement are wrong.
And what you did ?
You said wrong statement about Seifer.
You said similar stuff in just diff order about attack.
How is that not repeating ?

Slash, Slash, Dodge, Limit Break. That's it!

Lol he a freaking melee and what about Seymour ??

Spell, Spell, Spell, Spell ?
Thats it ?

Take 1 of those *chill pill* and start thinking about it.

Melee ARE MELEE.
Fill the blank.

1. Melee fight in _____ combat !
2. Caster fight by _______ !

Well in case you cant fill the blank here the awnser

1. Melee
2. Casting

Kuja`s #1

2003-09-26, 09:51 PM

You keep saying the same shit. That spells are nothing compared to speed and physical strength. I'd take a slow character with Firega, Firega to a fast character with slash, slash. There is just no comparison.

Seifer would lose. Give it up. Seriously! All you can come up with is he would dodge everything and Seymour would cast one spell every fifth turn or some shit. The fact of the matter is that Seymour's magics are two powerful and would kill Seifer before he could get such attacks as Bloodfest.

Seymour=Magic spells that are devistating and potentially lethal.

Seifer=many attacks but with lower damage.

It be like scratch, scratch actually. So let's configure scratch, scratch and superscratch against, Firega, Flare and Ultima.

Kuja

2003-09-26, 10:14 PM

You keep saying the same shit.
You said similar stuff in just diff order about attack.
How is that not repeating ?

I'd take a slow character with Firega, Firega to a fast character with slash, slash. There is just no comparison.

Thats cause you dont know how to correctly use a melee.

Seifer would lose. Give it up. Seriously! All you can come up with is he would dodge everything and Seymour would cast one spell every fifth turn or some shit.

What i said is he could dodge i never said everything and seifer could do 1 3/4~ attack per Seymour turn whitout haste so whit haste about 3 1/2. so every time seymour attack twice Seifer would do 7 Attack unlike Squall is weapon is easy to move arround.
Dispell ? Lol Seifer can cast haste back and do 1 attack ~ before Seymour get another chance to do something.

Seymour=Magic spells that are devistating and potentially lethal.

Seifer=many attacks but with lower damage.

Devastating is putting lot doing 2-3 time more dmg isnt DEVASTATING ! mostly if his attack take much more time.
I actualy like how you said MANY attack whit LOWER damage.
Thats how it is ! LOWER DAMAGE NOT PUNY DAMAGE !!!

It be like scratch, scratch actually. So let's configure scratch, scratch and superscratch against, Firega, Flare and Ultima.

Toothpick scratch not weapon.

Kuja`s #1

2003-09-26, 10:26 PM

Quoting endlessly is annoying.

So it takes time. If three or six of his attacks could kill Seifer where as Seifer would need six to twelve attacks to kill Seymour. His defenses are too high and Seifer's strength is only medium Thus, it is reduced to a pitiful, even laughable strike.

Cerridwen

2003-09-26, 10:28 PM

Was he looking for Seifer for something?! I was quite puzzled when he said those things to Seifer.

Odin the King of the Instant Death Move must have been pretty pissed off at pretty boy Almasy to charge him like that, and Gilgamesh appears, to finish what Odin had begun but forgot to finish.

And yes, Gilgamesh's Zantetsuken move was performed by using Odin's sword. Were they sort of comrades or something?

As for Seymour VS Seifer, Seymour wins, hands down. If you just take away Aura and other of those cheap spells in FFVIII Seymour would squash him flat like a pancake.

And Seymour's WAY cool. Seifer would be just be defeated because he's a hotheaded bastard; Seymour is cold, calculating to a T! No way that snobby brat could defeat HIM~~~!!!

Kuja`s #1

2003-09-26, 10:32 PM

An ally at last. You are knowledgable in FF. I commend you. I indead stated earlier that Seifer was hot-headed.

I'm getting off now. See the thread tomorrow.

!King_Amazon!

2003-09-26, 10:35 PM

If someone doesn't close this I'm gonna nuke zelaron HQ.

Kuja

2003-09-26, 10:49 PM

Odin the King of the Instant Death Move must have been pretty pissed off at pretty boy Almasy to charge him like that, and Gilgamesh appears, to finish what Odin had begun but forgot to finish.

Actualy Odin must have judge him very dishonorable and not worthy of leaving.
But to his great suprise Seifer was more agile,faster and stronger then he expected.
So Seifer chopped him like nothing !

And yes, Gilgamesh's Zantetsuken move was performed by using Odin's sword. Were they sort of comrades or something?

From what i think it s *this is only a theory* Odin Sword was actualy Gilgamesh sword that Odin must of won somehow ! (Training or Contest) Gilgamesh received back his sword upon the death of Odin.

As for Seymour VS Seifer, Seymour wins, hands down. If you just take away Aura and other of those cheap spells in FFVIII Seymour would squash him flat like a pancake.

If your talking about when he was whit the party i have to agree.
But it s not from when he was in the party he is much faster and stronger when you fight him for the last time.
But then again not many did battle him so they dont understand. Since most ppl had Odin and gilgamesh doesnt come when Seifer dead but after some time.

Kuja`s #1

2003-09-26, 11:16 PM

You keep defending Seifer but you can't come up with shit on how Deymour is weak in emotions and stuff. Seifer's arrogance and impulsiveness would only lead to destruction.

Cerridwen

2003-09-26, 11:24 PM

So Gilgamesh was actually looking for ODIN?!

As for Seifer, yes, he's really persistent, and he's quick, agile, and God knows what else; and he has TONS of Aura with him (command: draw, stock, repeat) and why didn't he use it on himself?! I mean COME ON! But then again, he must have HAD a reason, if he used Aura on himself then do that No Mercy Limit Brek again and again on Squall and Co. we could be all decimated before the next 5 seconds. But Seymour has all those nasty spells with him, and Seifer isn't that well-equipped for fighting with him, unless he has those appropriate spells junctioned to each of his stats. I guess when he went into battle with Seymour, he has all of them equipped which makes for not a one-sided battle.

So...

Seymour (ultimate magic-casting-bastard) VS
Seifer (ultimate hotheaded-bastard) =

SEYMOUR!

Why?!

Even if Seifer has all those proper junctions on, if he just pummels his rapier gunblade or whatever at Seymour, he'd STILL definitely lose. Seifer is hotheaded, whereas Seymour thinks before he acts. It's like sending Cloud to battle Emerald Weapon with all proper Materia on him except he goes Berserk. WHOA. !@#^$&%*~~~!!! Thank God for RIBBONS....^________^

Kuja`s #1

2003-09-26, 11:32 PM

You mean Ruby don't you?

Seifer doesn't have a GF when he fights you guys. Only in Dollet. So he has to rely only on the powers granted to him by Ultamecia. He's nothing but a strong toy, being manipulated by a big, bad sorceress. His slashes as I have said before would not do anything! Even with Haste, Seymour's spells and abillities would overwhelm Seifer.

Seymour's defense added up from all his forms is 146. His Magic Defense is 146 also. Seifer loses. I really don't feel like saying anymore. Seymour's arsenal is just to impressive.

Kuja

2003-09-27, 12:57 AM

Where the hell you see his power are granted by ultimecia ?
Thats the biggest Bullshit i readed Lie and make-up story can stay in your head but keep them away from zelaron melee !

Tell Me Where ! He has TRUE POWER ! Squall would have his chance against Seymour !
Yet Seifer can TOTALY RAVAGE Squall in a 1on1.

Seymour weakness it s that he would be FASTER (you said you were sick to see that but you clearly dont know what it mean)
Is it that actualy hard to understand that ?

Seifer would deal less damage per hit ! but hit MUCH MORE often making him actualy do much more damage in the long run !

Hit whit gunblade + Bang get shot ? it gota Hurt !

His slashes as I have said before would not do anything!.
Why not oh yeah i forgot... Toothpick ability.

Seymour's defense added up from all his forms is 146. His Magic Defense is 146 also. Seifer loses. I really don't feel like saying anymore. Seymour's arsenal is just to impressive.
Seymour's defense added up from all his forms ?
I have a little problem whit that.
Either you didnt say it right or you Added up the def of all his form and it gave you 146 and decided it was his def ? If so thats none sense anyway.

Statistics shouldn't matter. You can say he has high, solid defense, but bringing in numbers wouldn't strengthen your point.

Maybe he does have a good physical def. or maybe not if you stacked up all his def point. If you stacked .... This aint Dragon Ball Z fusion stuff.
But Anyway the point is Seifer is using NO TOOTHPICK NOR A BUTTER KNIFE !
So he would deal a good or huge ammount of damage !
And again i gonna say it yeah be ready you know what i gonna say but you seem to not actualy understand what it mean !
His speed !!!! here an idea ! http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=speed
Maybe you will understand. If not you can always ask your parents to tell you.
Thats what would make his damage become Greater then the 1 of Seymour if good damage.
But if you stacked up all his form def and making him not even ok in pdef it would be huge damage and in that case... Seymour would just get ownazored !

RoboticSilence

2003-09-27, 01:09 AM

You can't simply add up all the defense of magic def. Even if the numbers mattered, at no point is his defense or magic defense EVER at 146. That is the silliest thing I've read here as of yet.

The thing is, Seifer is massively more powerful than Seymour and would cleave him in two with the precise amount of effort as a chainsaw cutting through a fat man's stomach. It's cake. And if you don't realize it, then you haven't paid much attention to the actual battles in the games. Kuja's #1, I'm pretty sure you realize that Seifer would win and you just tried to pull something that sounded slightly logical out of your ass and slapped it in this thread. Seymour most definately has absolutely no chance in Hell, Heaven, Earth, nor does he have any chance in Wisconsin. End of story.

Kuja

2003-09-27, 02:05 AM

Nicely said Robotic !

So Gilgamesh was actually looking for ODIN?!
After checking carefully what happen and what Gilgamesh say.

Squall: "Odin....!?"
Seifer: "Hah, I won't go down that easy."
"Show me what you got, Squall."
"Let me add another scar for you!"
Gilgamesh: "You gave me? the 4th one...!"
"Huh? Was it you...?"
"Then dodge my sword!"
"Eat this!!!"

I came to the conclusion that Gilgamesh would of been Odin Teacher for his Zantetsuken technique and he gave him 1 of his swords.
Then when he got the 4th back he figured his student got Slaugthered by Seifer so he owned him !

Kuja`s #1

2003-09-27, 01:42 PM

STFU Kuja.

Where do you see his powers being learned naturally? How do you know all his powers weren't just given to him by Ultamecia's magic? She could definately do it.
Why do you insist on helping Seifer? All you say is Hast plus Melee plus slash plus Limit Break could win. Unforutanately for Seifer his magics and Limit aren't enough to kill Seymour. He need only to use Cura and some form of magic or abillity. What abillities does Seifer have that could bring Seymour to his knees? None.

With the mortibody curing him he is free to attack. So everytime Seifer attacksed, cua and Flare or something. So let's look at it that way.

Seifer slashes alot and occasionally uses magic.

Seymour casts powerful magics why the Mortibody perform Cura on him.

Seifer cast haste and does even more damage.

Mortibody would use Desperado and seymour would use Dispel.

Seifer hastes himself again.

Mortibody uses Shattering Claw and Seymour uses Flare.

Seifers Cura wouldn't keep him alive for along. So Seymour is free to attack why Seifer has to waste a turn Curing himself.

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Kuja`s #1

2003-09-27, 01:45 PM

Sorry to double post but Robotic you are incorrect. His defense stat in Omnis is 180. So please don't try to prove me wrong. Its a statistical impossibillity when it concerns an FF character I really like.

Did you even read my posts? God your not even listing a reason how he could win. I paid much attention to FFVIII and Seifer. I like him. He is strong but do you honestly think that No Mercy and Firega can stand up to Total Anihillation and Ultima? If you do, you don't know shit about Seymour.

Kuja

2003-09-27, 02:07 PM

STFU Kuja.

Now now i think it s time for your 2nd chill pill stop being so stupid.

Where do you see his powers being learned naturally? How do you know all his powers weren't just given to him by Ultamecia's magic? She could definately do it.

So YOU ASSUME ? This isnt based on a assume that maybe if she can that it could !
I can Assume TOO then !
I now Assume that His Gunblade got recently equiped whit Nucklear Bomb !
I now Assume Seifer found the ARMOR OF INVULNERABILITY !!
I Assume That ARMOR OF INVULNERABILITY KILL INSTANTLY ANY 1 WHITIN 5000 Feet !
Want me 2 assume more ?
Stop assuming and fucken give it up your big fat monkey doesnt stand a chance against SEIFER !

Seifer always BEEN superior to squall and he was still superior to him in the end !
That doesnt mean he borrowed his power !

Why do you insist on helping Seifer? All you say is Hast plus Melee plus slash plus Limit Break could win.

Hum Maybe you MISSED on something ?

Lol he a freaking melee and what about Seymour ??

Spell, Spell, Spell, Spell ?
Thats it ?

THINK ABOUT IT !!

Melee ARE MELEE.
Fill the blank.

1. Melee fight in _____ combat !
2. Caster fight by _______ !

Well in case you cant fill the blank here the awnser

1. Melee
2. Casting

He need only to use Cura and some form of magic or abillity.

Here again you compare CURA NOT EVEN CURAGA !!!! to a fucken ELIXIR !!!

What abillities does Seifer have that could bring Seymour to his knees? None.

Your very sad ... i think i said it 2 many time .... but here goes
--sorry for the smart ppl have to read it again but maybe he will understand this time ...--

Seifer is using NO TOOTHPICK NOR A BUTTER KNIFE !

So he would deal a good or huge ammount of damage !
And again i gonna say it yeah be ready you know what i gonna say but you seem to not actualy understand what it mean !
His speed !!!! here an idea ! http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=speed
Maybe you will understand. If not you can always ask your parents to tell you.

Thats what would make his damage become Greater then the 1 of Seymour

Kuja`s #1

2003-09-27, 02:15 PM

I ready your F'N POSTS! STOP QUOTING!

I am not comparing him to an imp with a toothpick or whatever! He is strong but not strong enough. If you're not gonna take a word I've said in, then I'm done. I keep pointing it out but you completely miss it! Seifer's abillities and attacks could not damage Seymour! They're to weak!! That's it in a nut shell. He can't hardly hurt Seymour and the only attacks that can trully damage him are his Limits!

About Cura, it is powerful and could easilly render everythin Seifer's done to him to nothing. You didn't even mention Seifer's Cura. I said that Seymour could cast magic and kill him. He could Cura himslef but Seymour could just attack again and again.

You know, I honestly don't think your brain can take all this in. You seem to understand the corner of what I'm saying but not the whole concept.

Kuja

2003-09-27, 03:04 PM

If someone doesnt understand a thing it s you.
Squall would have his chance against Seymour yet Seifer is faster, Stronger, More Agile and VERY GIFTED ! Not to forget Squall isnt someone whit normal or slow speed! So whit haste ? He is MUCH faster.
Now IMAGINE SEIFER WHIT HASTE !

(You know TIME BAR ?) There is a REASON for THEM and there is a reason why melee ACHIEVE HIGHER SPEED then caster ! And well again SEIFER SPEED IS VERY HIGH WHILE HASTED !

And if your not Making Seifer look like a imp You make Cura look like it can heal MUCH more then he can do whit his own black magic ! Thats Plain Bullshit You Exagerating his power and downgrading Seifer.

Oh let s look at something shall we ?

Seymour ....
MP: 999 so we could say somewhat LOW mp for sunch a so called GREAT magic user ?
Evasion: 0
So let s say
he CANNOT evade ANYTHING !
Accuracy: 0
And here
HIS ACCURACY IS NULL HE WOULDNT BE ABLE TO THROW A ROCK AT HIMSELF WHITOUT HAVING CHANCE TO MISS !!

Now Tell me how is he gonna hit Seifer often whit that kind of Accuracy ? And let s not forget Seifer High evade ability !
Lol whit that kind of accuracy he could kill himself ! Also let s not forget thatin close combat wouldnt he be damaging himself whit that kind of spell he using ?

Seifer Chop That buffon in 2!