What would you change?

[RandomThought]

All these threads about God got me thinking.

I do believe in God but, If someone could prove to me and the world without a reasonable dout that God did not exsist and that there was nothing after death, What would I change about my life?

I've thought on this pretty well, and i dont think I would change anything.
Now i would make sure that i tried alot harder to do the things i want, but i wouldn't go around doing "evil" acts just because there would be no consequences in the end.

What would you change? if anything.

[Adrenachrome]

Read the bible, it's proof enough that the Christian god doesn't exist.

[RandomThought]

OMFG , the post isn't about if GOd exsist or not, I asked those who do believe what they would change, how bout you go Flame in the thread relative to your fucking statement

[Eddie_Perez]

0mg, meany.

[Titusfied]

I do believe in God but, If someone could prove to me and the world without a reasonable dout that God did not exist

I believe that is what Adrena was trying to get across, chill out next time.

What would I change? Well, nothing other than acting on certain situations differently than I did in the past. Basically relationship mistakes that I did to screw up a good thing I had. :(

Trait and characteristic wise, nothing. Family and friend wise, nothing. Drunk mistakes... yeah, I think the those two words basically answer that one...

[RandomThought]

Sorry but, i posted it to be serious and to see what others wuold change if it were proven that God doesn't exsist, I didnt ask if you believe in God nor did I ask anyone to prove or disprove it. There are enough Threads like that already.
Thanks

[RandomThought]

But, Adrena I have a idea. just pretend that for your entire life you had believed and worshiped a God in hopes of eternal life in heaven and then one day someone proved that everything that you had done and everything that you didn't do was for nothing, it wasn't real, what would you change?

[Eddie_Perez]

No double posting (like it matters). But... I'm not sure what were are changing... ourselves? things in the world?

[Titusfied]

Don't double post. Use the edit button.

I think he was stating that since he doesn't believe in God, and already doesn't believe in an after life, he is doing everything he wanted to do already, hence, he would change nothing.

[0nyx]

Hmmm I don't believe in any type of God, so I wouldn't change anything.
How about ..... adding if there wasn't any authority? then we might get some really cool answers :D

[Titusfied]

If there was no authority, this world would be a damn crazy one, and one which I wouldn't want to live in.

[RandomThought]

Don't double post. Use the edit button.

I think he was stating that since he doesn't believe in God, and already doesn't believe in an after life, he is doing everything he wanted to do already, hence, he would change nothing.

If thats what he was trying to say why didn't he just say it, not go off saying the bible disproves God and all that shit, if he would have just said that he didn't believe then that wouldn't have been going against what the thread was created for.

but no problem as long as it hits the topic again.

Ya i guess some of the more extreme religions would probably like go crazy and kill everyone;):D

[0nyx]

Very good Titus,

If there was no authority, this world would be a damn crazy one, and one which I wouldn't want to live in.

Now answer teh Question ;) there must be some thing you would love to do, but don't because there is consequences.

[Titusfied]

Hey pal, don't shoot the fucking messenger. I was merely insinuating that is what he could have meant, not that is what he did mean. He's a Sup Mod, I'm sure he knows what the rules are, and wouldn't intentionally break it.

Now, you should get back on topic and maybe respond to some of the other posts that have been made.

[slaynish]

Im pretty religious, i dont go to church, but i watch what i say about god because if there is a heaven which i think there is, then i want to go, better safe, then sorry...
What would i change???

Hmm i would probablly punch my friend in the face, he is sooo religious he talks about god like most of the day and if i found out that hes not real and he was just making me listen to his crap then i would hit him really... really... hard...


I would be more carful about dieing... And other things because life is a beautiful thing, and definitly not a thing to waste...

[RandomThought]

Now answer teh Question ;) there must be some thing you would love to do, but don't because there is consequences.

I've really thought about it and I can't come up with anything. It maybe because i'm not as strict on what I follow as some.

[Titusfied]

Hmm, well, there is anything I would change off the top of my head if there was no authority, but I'm sure there would be things I would do. Of course, back in the day, illicit drugs would have been priority #1, but now, probably just shit like riding on the beach with my jeep, drinking next a bon fire with all my friends while the sun sets and shit like that.

Pretty much, all harmless stuff that I would enjoy, but for stupid reasons, can't get away with now. Like I said, if everyone could get away with anything, I would not want to live on this Earth though, so thank God for laws, ethics, codes of conduct, etc. etc. etc.

[ViciousMilitia]

I would do more shit that people say that I shouldn't

[Eddie_Perez]

10 Commandments down the toilet? Hmmmm... what to do... what to do...

[Raziel]

If I truly believed that there was no God, then there would be no purpose behind living at all. If nothing created us then there is no such thing as right or wrong, there is no such thing as love or hate. If there is no human soul, then emotions are nothing more than a series of random, unreasonable neural transmissions with no real weight or relevance attached to their existance. If we weren't created by something, then we are an accident. If we are an accident, then there's no reason why I shouldn't stop typing right this second and delete the most annoying accidents I've encountered recently.

Example: I'm at work, and a man in one of our rooms just called down to the front desk and asked for a wake up call. When I answered the phone, he referred to me as "ma'am." Now, if there is no God, then there is no real meaning to the ideas of "wrong" or "right". If God doesn't exist, then those polar extremes are fabrications of the human collective unconscious, and they have no real meaning. If we're an accident, then so is everything we've created. That includes the ideas of wrong and right.

So, what's stopping me from walking up to that man's room and killing him right this second? Because I know it's wrong. It may not be the Christian God that is looking down upon us, but something created us. If not, then what is the point of clinging to life in any way, shape or form?

[uncapped]

If I truly believed that there was no God, then there would be no purpose behind living at all. If nothing created us then there is no such thing as right or wrong, there is no such thing as love or hate. If there is no human soul, then emotions are nothing more than a series of random, unreasonable neural transmissions with no real weight or relevance attached to their existance. If we weren't created by something, then we are an accident. If we are an accident, then there's no reason why I shouldn't stop typing right this second and delete the most annoying accidents I've encountered recently.

Example: I'm at work, and a man in one of our rooms just called down to the front desk and asked for a wake up call. When I answered the phone, he referred to me as "ma'am." Now, if there is no God, then there is no real meaning to the ideas of "wrong" or "right". If God doesn't exist, then those polar extremes are fabrications of the human collective unconscious, and they have no real meaning. If we're an accident, then so is everything we've created. That includes the ideas of wrong and right.

So, what's stopping me from walking up to that man's room and killing him right this second? Because I know it's wrong. It may not be the Christian God that is looking down upon us, but something created us. If not, then what is the point of clinging to life in any way, shape or form?

*claps*

[Medieval Bob]

Damn.. pwn Raziel.
















Seriously tho...








Pwn.

[slaynish]

Clap, Clap, Clap, i really think you have a point raziel...

[Titusfied]

If I truly believed that there was no God, then there would be no purpose behind living at all. If nothing created us then there is no such thing as right or wrong, there is no such thing as love or hate. If there is no human soul, then emotions are nothing more than a series of random, unreasonable neural transmissions with no real weight or relevance attached to their existance. If we weren't created by something, then we are an accident. If we are an accident, then there's no reason why I shouldn't stop typing right this second and delete the most annoying accidents I've encountered recently.

So, does that mean that if we create something, whether it be a child, or merely a piece of art, that we are their God? Just because something created us, doesn't mean that is the only reason we love and hate, or have feelings about what is right and wrong. It means that we are here for a reason, for someone had a vision of something great, or for all we know, a vision for destruction, violence, and something that is above and beyond anything we have even thought of yet.

While I agree that a God exists, and also that if we were created by an accident, then there is no real base for our existence, I don't necessarily feel that because there is a God, that is the only reason our mental processes and behavior act the ways they do. I like to feel as though I matter in the world, whether or not my parents meant to have me. I like to feel as though I'm in control of how I shape my life, and how my future will turn out. I guess I'm trying to say that even if there isn't a higher being that made all this possible, and we actually are an accident, that what happens on Earth still matters.

[MarkiX]

I am a christion myself a lil but i have a lot of doubts.

Anyways, Random thought i would focus more on what benefits me rather than thinking about a god that may or may not exist.

Religion is gay! We should learn to do whats best for ourselves rather than rely on scripture to tell us how to live.

I grow up in a religious household. I hate it God this God that. I wish think that one should do what benefits him morally.
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[Raziel]

You're not understanding what I'm saying, Titus. Unless there is such a thing as the human soul, then emotion has no weight, no substance, no purpose. If the human soul is a fable, then emotion boils down to nothing more than unexplainable electrochemical responses. The fact is, in order for a human being to be more than plain matter, in order for our race to consist of more than just flesh, there needs to be a soul. The human soul can't exist unless it was placed there by a "creator."

There is a reason why it's okay for a wolf to kill a deer, or a shark to kill a seal. It's because they're animals. It's because of the fact that they have no soul that it's okay for them to kill and eat one another. What sets us apart from animals is our souls. If our sould don't actually exist, then we're nothing more than highly advanced animals. If we're just nothing more than really intelligent monkeys, then why shouldn't I be allowed to kill you and devour your body?

[MarkiX]

Feeling are chemical reactions that happen in your brain. Chemicals like saritonin make u feel hungry or tired. What about endorphins the make u happy. There may be a human soul. But no one knows for sure cus no one has proven it.
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[Titusfied]

Well, I just still don't buy into the fact that if God didn't create us, then we don't have a soul, but rather highly advanced electrochemical reactions that can't be explained. Regardless of us being an accident or not, I still think that we have souls. Our lives can't just be highly interactive spontaneous links between each person. I truely believe that everyone is important, everyone has a soul, and everyone was "created" for a reason, whether it be by a God, or even by a mistake.

[MarkiX]

WEll i do believe in God......... I think. And i know we are not an accident but its hard to believe that there is a soul in my opinion. If we did have a soul where is it? And why is it that when one takes a stimulant it affects how we feel if it only stimulates the brain not the soul. People do say the soul is what makes our emotions.
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[Titusfied]

Just because certain parts of the brain cause particular emotions, behaviors, stimulus, etc. doesn't mean that the person in general doesn't have a soul. A soul is simply something that you need to believe in, it isn't something that can necessarily be proven. It's like God I guess. As much as you can show these "facts" and undeniable "proof", fact of the matter is, all of that stuff was passed down over thousands of years, so who really knows what did and didn't happen?

Its all about the faith man, either you got it, or you don't. :)

[0nyx]

If I truly believed that there was no God, then there would be no purpose behind living at all. If nothing created us then there is no such thing as right or wrong, there is no such thing as love or hate. If there is no human soul, then emotions are nothing more than a series of random, unreasonable neural transmissions with no real weight or relevance attached to their existance. If we weren't created by something, then we are an accident. If we are an accident, then there's no reason why I shouldn't stop typing right this second and delete the most annoying accidents I've encountered recently.

Example: I'm at work, and a man in one of our rooms just called down to the front desk and asked for a wake up call. When I answered the phone, he referred to me as "ma'am." Now, if there is no God, then there is no real meaning to the ideas of "wrong" or "right". If God doesn't exist, then those polar extremes are fabrications of the human collective unconscious, and they have no real meaning. If we're an accident, then so is everything we've created. That includes the ideas of wrong and right.

So, what's stopping me from walking up to that man's room and killing him right this second? Because I know it's wrong. It may not be the Christian God that is looking down upon us, but something created us. If not, then what is the point of clinging to life in any way, shape or form?

dissected during waking hours.

If there is no god then what? we would all stop having emotions and feelings? and we would have no purpose? thats crap! we exist, we are here and we do nothing more special than any creature on this earth. We survive, we propergate, we die. That is it.

There is no God, religion is only surpression for the mass's. That is what is stopping you from murder. We have lived in social structures for so many years, under the belief of the after life and judgement day, that we as a breed have developed morals. we have evolved them and developed them into our comon laws by which we live today. A person is smart but people are dumb, and dumb people need to controlled with rules. If I truly believed that there was no God, then there would be no purpose behind living at all. Yeah thats right belief gives people a reason to go on. But if tomorrow you found out there was no God, then you would feel an absence and have many questions, but your life would not stop, you would still have to go about erning your living and looking after your family, We survive, we propergate, we die. That is it.

Every thing we are today is a natural evolution, a random event of molecules coming together and forming life, and after its short spark of existance it dies out and returns it's self back to just molecules again.

I don't know if i'm making my point any better now, it's probly too long to bother reading now lol.

[Medieval Bob]

Well, I just still don't buy into the fact that if God didn't create us, then we don't have a soul

I don't believe it is possible for beings to evolve a soul. This is just speculation, but I think a soul must be God-given.

[Acer]

I beleive our soul is just a focus of energy and once we die it joins the rest of the world and is reborn into many other things. Like plants -> soil kinda deal.

[MarkiX]

I dont think it should matter. We should live our lives to the way we want to live them and dontlet any non proven beliefs stand in our way. I live w/ a religious father so i cant live my life the way that most ppl can. If i was as eligious as him i would not have most of my friends or do most things i do. God or any religious fig. should not limit us to things we want to do as long as its moral. in the eyes of your own and maybe sometimes your peers.

[Acer]

I dont think it should matter. We should live our lives to the way we want to live them and dontlet any non proven beliefs stand in our way. I live w/ a religious father so i cant live my life the way that most ppl can. If i was as eligious as him i would not have most of my friends or do most things i do. God or any religious fig. should not limit us to things we want to do as long as its moral. in the eyes of your own and maybe sometimes your peers.

Aslong as your morals are for the good of everyone. Live clean and don't hurt others, then w/e religion is right, I dont think you will be punished.

[0nyx]

I don't believe it is possible for beings to evolve a soul. This is just speculation, but I think a soul must be God-given.

Just to be objective

How do you even know we have a soul?

[Titusfied]

A soul is simply something that you need to believe in, it isn't something that can necessarily be proven. It's like God I guess. As much as you can show these "facts" and undeniable "proof", fact of the matter is, all of that stuff was passed down over thousands of years, so who really knows what did and didn't happen?

Its all about the faith man, either you got it, or you don't. :)

[Shining Knights]

It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

[Acer]

What is the meaning of life you ask? Nothing, face it, we die. We just die. Emotions? Everyone dies, it's nothing new. Why are we so scared to die? Because we don't want to face blankness.

But, who knows. What if we did go to heaven? Yea? So what. We still miss the ones we love on the earth. I can't even go on, and explain things, because the emotions of dieing in 40-70 years is getting too me. :(

Yes, but thinking like that will encourage suicide... if you think there is blankness after death, but it can also drive you to live life to its fulless.

[Raziel]

We survive, we propergate, we die. That is it.

If there is no God, then yes you're right, that's all we do.

Well, I just still don't buy into the fact that if God didn't create us, then we don't have a soul, but rather highly advanced electrochemical reactions that can't be explained.

The human soul is not something that can just be "developed", Titus. If that's the way it works, then why haven't ancient reptillian species developed them? Why are we the only creatures on the planet that have structured societies and laws? Why are we the only creatures that make noticeable advances in the span of a few years? There are only two possibilites: either we have souls, or our species is an evolutionary monstrosity. If we have souls, then something had to put them there. If something didn't put them there, then why are we the only race in town that has them?

In order to believe in the human soul, one must beleive that supernatural elements are a part of our existence. If one believes that supernatural elements do exist in this world, then one must allow for the possibility that God exists. Like I said, when I use the term "God" I do not necessarily refer to the Christian God. Just a "creator" of supernatural origin.

[Titusfied]

Well, if God created all life forms on Earth, why wouldn't everything, even those reptiles you pointed out have souls? I think all living organisms have souls, just some are developed in different ways, like personality traits.

[Raziel]

Then why is it wrong for a human to kill another human, but it's okay for us to kill and devour a cow?

(I am in no way a vegetarian or vegan. I'm just using that example as an argument.)

Also, if those creatures have souls as well, then why are they incapable of logic or reasoning? Why are they incapable of collective advancement? And most importantly, why are even the most advanced of animals only capable of an infantile level of communication with human beings or with their own species?

[Titusfied]

Well many arguements can be made for both sides just as you have done though, but it doesn't make it any less true. Just because our evolution is at a different stage than animals doesn't mean we have souls and they don't. Just because they don't act the same way we do, or use our technology, doesn't mean they don't have souls. Ants for example are extremely efficient, well organized, etc. for what they do. For all we know, their interactions to them are just as devoloped as ours amongst ourselves. Who knows, maybe one day there will be something else out there that is way more capable than our homo-sapien race. These are just things we don't know, and can't predict.

The only reason it is alright for people to kill cows, etc. is because we, the people condoned it long ago, and just accepted it. There was once a time when people would kill other people and not think twice about it or the reprocussion, if there even was one. That doesn't mean that person didn't have a soul, it just means that laws and rules of conduct, ethics, etc. weren't set in stone yet. Times change, that is all I'm saying.

[Raziel]

You're making a good argument, but it's still flawed.

The entire concept of the "soul" determines that any living creature in possession of one is capable of more than just instinctive patern and reproduction. Ever seen a bear paint a portrait? Ever heard of a wolf not killing an elk because he knew it was wrong? The reason you haven't seen those things is because animals don't have souls. Simply being capable of building an anthill isn't grounds for being considered a soul-bearing creature. Rivers are capable of carving canyons, does that mean the Snake River has a soul?

[MarkiX]

OK if we did or didn't have a soul and there was no God, then why would that matter. We would die and drift into oblivion anyway.

[Titusfied]

That is just my point though. Why does our interaction necessarily make up what it means to have a soul? Just because animals don't recognize our behaviors and speaking pattern, doesn't mean that their behaviors and way of interacting with each other is wrong or flawed. Instinctive patterns and reproduction is just a way we classify animals and their purpose on life. We don't know exactly how they interact, or why they do everything they do.

Example, just because we recognize that playing soccer is a sociably acceptable form of interaction, doesn't mean that animals don't have their own form of fun. It just means that we don't recognize it, and this is simply because we don't interact like they do, so how could we? For all we know, when they see us, in their own mind, they might be thinking, "Wow, what a deprived silly form of life they are. Why would they even want to do something like that when they have obligations to feed themselves and their families?" Of course, this is considered outlandish to us, but who knows?

Again, with the whole elk and wolf example, the only reason that doesn't happen is because they don't think it was wrong. If it wasn't illegal to murder humans, I'm sure people would do it for fun, but like I've stated many times, that is just because our culture, our world we constructed now has rules, laws, etc that we follow. Just because animals don't, doesn't mean they don't have souls.

Rivers don't have souls because they aren't living organisms. A river doesn't show emotion, or behavior patterns, it is just land that hold water flow a certain way.