Merge with GOD?

[Chruser]

GOD-Forums and EHA have recently merged, and they have invited us to join their "alliance" by redirecting all our members to GOD forums. However, we need to talk this through in detail.

Some facts:
* Our forums will be different, since GOD will be the main forum. However, the name of the GOD forums will be changed in that case, maybe to something like "GO Zel".
* Our admins will still remain.
* There will really be no major changes, except that we get more people on, plus some new admins/mods.

So, the good part about this is pretty much that we become larger. The downside is that merges usually leads to conflicts, since it's a part of the human nature to struggle for success.
In other words, a 3-forum alliance has a certain chance of being crushed by "insiders".

The server will also get somewhat slower due to the amount of people that will be on, and the rules might be slightly stricter, but it would be ideal if we would discuss this, and maybe even put a vote or two on our ideals.

Personally, I'm not going to explain what I think about this whole thing, I'm just willing to see your rants, votes and comments for now. There is no need to flame anyone, since nothing has been decided yet.

[Dmaster]

Think of it on the light side. Yes, we've had our differences, you guys know me as the one who came to Zel warring, but now, We've settled our differences to fry some bigger fish ( CL ). Which we may one day become bigger then. Think about it.

[WetWired]

"We are Borg. You will be assimilated. Your biological and technological distinctivity will be added to our own. Resistance is futile."

In short, it just wouldn't be Zelaron anymore. It would be GOD+some Zelaron stuff.
--WetWired

[Madjokster]

Think of it guys eha, god forum and zeleran join togather and make an elite forum and blow chealtist out of here. The new forum would be a @%@! awesome alliance godlier then ever come on people you know the more people a forum has the MORE FUN it is the more hacks that can be thought of come on people lets join togather IT WOULD BE PURE OWNAGE!

[Dmaster]

Not to mention...We're keeping all admins from all 3 forums, we're keeping all active sr mods, others who are in active will be demoted to mod. And all active mods will still be mod.

Not to mention, the only thing we're gonna keep from GOD is...The host/server. We have the best host. We're making a new name something like Godly-Alliance.

Think about it.

[Grav]

Ok I just think that's a flat-out bad idea. Are they willing to do it though?

[Chruser]

All 3 admins from 3 forums, which becomes 9 if I'm not entirely misstaken. 9 admins is resonably much, but I guess nothing can be done about that.

[Chruser]

And yes, GOD and EHA are going to merge with or without us.

[Xenn]

I don't know. A huge forum sounds cool, but..

1) Things could get overloaded (and I'm not talking purely bandwidth-ly)
2) 9 Admins sounds like it could have a big conflict on ideas.
3) 3 Different forums sounds like it could have conflicts on ideas.
4) We lose our individuallity :( (The right to call it OUR forum)

[User Name # 1]

What is the need to get bigger ? i mean most of poeople have signed in differents forums, so we would not be so 'more' people, in fact. total of members will not be X3...
And about CL, no need to be as big or bigger; see what's happened to this forum; it 's dead by itself, full of newbies and when such exploit as Matrix came out, they couldn't released it coz they were afraid that some of their newb members use it with nonsense... so i don't enjoy that idea. But you'll decide and i'll do with it. just my opinion.

[Chruser]

Hmm, you're right #1. The benefits of merging is obviously more activity, but we're also risking some things by doing it, and this forum will no longer exist by itself.

Personally, I think an alliance would be better than a merge in the end, but I still want more suggestions from you people. I'm not saying that a merge is impossible, but we still need to talk this through even more.

[Chruser]

Originally posted by User Name # 1
And about CL, no need to be as big or bigger; see what's happened to this forum; it 's dead by itself

Did you mean THIS forum (Zelaron), or THAT forum (Cheatlist)?

[Dmaster]

Originally posted by GravitonSurge
Ok I just think that's a flat-out bad idea. Are they willing to do it though?

I have a comment on this. The only reason you think it's a bad Idea is cuz you know how bad CL will be getting owned. You are with CL now. GO, get used.

[Madjokster]

hey guys did you ever think of the reason we have more admin, mods, sen mods is cause we will BE A HUGE FORUM if u want ur questions answered you are automatically guarenteed an answer within a min come on guys think before you do the poll.

[WetWired]

Hmm, you're right #1. The benefits of merging is obviously more activity, but we're also risking some things by doing it, and this forum will no longer exist by itself.
Didn't I already say that?

"We are Borg. You will be assimilated. Your biological and technological distinctivity will be added to our own. Resistance is futile."

Ultimately, I suppose I don't care too terribly much, but it's important to note that there will no longer be a Zelaron if we merge
--WetWired

[Penguin]

... No way penguin isent moving from zelaron, i belong nowhere else and they may not... like penguin 0.0 i love this forum the way it is, we will get more members anyway, we get more members everyday... Why not just be a huge forum without big merging, and just ally with them....

[Dmaster]

Right, we would all be a NEW forum.

[Madjokster]

IF WE MERGE WE WILL OWN CHEATLIST WE WILL BE BIGGER THEN CL THEY WONT HAVE SHIT ON US, WE WILL HAVE THE BEST HACKERS AND EVERYTHING WE WOULD OWN ANY OTHER FORUM THAT COMES OUT!.

[Chruser]

This thread isn't neccesarily the final result, but I'm just willing to see what you people think. So far, it seems like most of the Zel people want to stay as Zel, while the GOD/Zel people want to do a change. I wanted this thread for some arguments/reasons, not just the vote count. Still, if the current voting keeps up, it will be no idea to merge, since we'd lose almost all our members then.

[Madjokster]

im 100% sure you wont lose ur members if you merge with god forum its nothing they can do they will try it out and see how it will go and they will relize that its a godly idea to merge.

[Penguin]

Who is Madjokster? he has 4 posts and hes talking like he knows whats best for zelaron...?

[WetWired]

Apparently he's from GOD forums, judging from what he's saying. He also apparently made Dmaster's sig.

He just thinks he knows best
--WetWired

[Madjokster]

HEHE, yeah im a senior on god forum and i know what the best for zel is, we already have god+eha as one forum we want to add u to.

[Penguin]

Well... I dont think we should add with god or eha because i feel zelaron is alot better then them, why dont YOU join us?

[Madjokster]

why should we join you now your the one that just said ur better hten us.

[Penguin]

i dont speak on behalf of zelaron... i speak based on personal opinon, and in my personel opnion zelaron is the best forum out there. Im not registered at god forum and only been there once, im just saying i think zelaron is the best forum out there...

And i see that you think god is the best, clf think they are the best, if i thought god was the best i wouldent be at zelaron would i?

[Madjokster]

well as you said u only tried god forum 1 time so how do u know u have the best forum all im saying is 1 huge forum = ownage against CL the more members we have the more hacks we get and the more popular we get.

[Penguin]

... heh, ok i see your basing your "best" on members.. I base best on alot of things above members, The quality of the boards, the looks, the Staff. Members is like 3rd in my book for best forums. but i guess what this all boils down to is a popularity contest which i find stupid anyway

[WetWired]

popularity contest which i find stupid anywayI agree.

While we want more members, that should not be our first goal.
--WetWired

[Madjokster]

the thing is tho we already have the looks and the mods to take care of the job if u joined you guys would be apart of the mods.. and apart of making the forum look good so whats the deal i dont understand.

[Hades-Knight]

No way, it would be better if they merged here not us there

[Madjokster]

waht the hells the difference reason why we dont come here is cause we got eha with us already why would we move a huge forum to a smaller one ?

[Wiccan][V][asta]

I think we shouldn't merge unless we, Zelaron are in control. Plus, I don't want to lose my mod position... :(

[Dzamit]

I say NO, You guys are already betta off then GOD, God forums just fuckn suck...

[Chruser]

It seems like there will be no merge according to the votes, incase this keps up, that is.

[Madjokster]

dzamit you say we suck because cheatlist got hacked and we banned u for swearing at the moderators plain and simple .

[Hades-Knight]

lol banned for swearing at the mods? thats sad.........

i dotn care if u swear to me as long as i can see your ip address =D

[Wiccan][V][asta]

I can see his IP also... :) plus your's Knight. And your host name... lol but, he did more than swear at the mods... trust me. you dont know the half of it... :shame: on you Dzamit

[Madjokster]

exactly.

[Unregistered]

ji

[Nardwuar]

I am sorry for spamming. I will never do it again hopefully. Sorry for the inconvience. Thank you. (btw, I won't post any more 2 word posts like this one was.)

[Wiccan||V||asta]

[EDIT]

[Madjokster]

lol well guys just a FYI but god forum is now up www.gods-network.com/forums/ we have an average of 90 people on this forum merge was awesome only wish u guys were here to.. we have all the latest security, looks, and the members.

[Absolut]

bah, who cares??:rolleyes:

[Madjokster]

someone not to far back in posts said that members are not all that u need u need looks and stuff so i added that stuff just to let them know that we got the works.

[Absolut]

Originally posted by Absolut
bah, who cares??:rolleyes:

[mightychicken]

merging with another message board never ever ever works, i'm sorry to say. It's best to try to find solidity in your own network.

[Absolut]

yup, mc is right, you will end up bitching at each other constantly

[Madjokster]

well for the first day of god being up with eha we have not argued not 1 time, we have been to busy moding the forum like we normal do no problems yet. Most users ever online was 107 on 04-03-2002 at 09:58 PM. this is from our forum

[AA-Xeno]

Fish are cool..

[Chruser]

Here's ours:
Most users ever online was 131 on 02-19-2002 at 03:51 AM.

Listen, mightychicken is right, it's more likely that you'll manage to get a great board with only 6 admins and 8 senior mods. 9 adminds and 12 senior mods means trouble, and merging would result in a disaster sooner or later.

I wish you guys all the best, but we can't merge, at least not right now. We don't want to screw anything up, and two boards is always better than one huge one, if one of the options is doomed no matter what. I know what I'm talking about.

If you ever decide to spam or attack us, we will most likely ban the attackers, but there will be NO retaliations, it just leads to more violence.
Still, you don't have to spam us, we don't want a war. We want a treaty with you, so we won't hold any forum wars against each other, and I'd love to help your board too, but for now, no merge.

[Dmaster]

Originally posted by Dzamit
I say NO, You guys are already betta off then GOD, God forums just fuckn suck...

Dzamit, your about || to being banned by me. I already banned you on GOD.

BTW I want my fucking sig still.

[Unregistered]

Well there is no way to take out cl without us joining 2 forums could never own a big forum 1 big forum can own another forum thats it and god forum is gettin up there once again.

[Hades-Knight]

dmaster is mod also in god, does that mena hes a traitor?

[WetWired]

dmaster is mod also in god, does that mena hes a traitor?Now why would you think that? Has he done anything that evidences that he's a traiter? As far as I've seen, he simply wants the two forums to merge. In my mind, he's innocent until proven otherwise.

For all I know you could be a traiter, just trying to raise suspicions against someone else before you betray us
--WetWired

[Chruser]

Originally posted by Madjokster
Im not spamming what so ever just lettin a few people that god is up and try them out.


Funny that the url to your huge advertisement is http://members.aol.com/madjokster/images/spam2.jpg :p

[Madjokster]

leave me alone lol i named it that because my other one i dont think u want to see ;)

[JohnnyTAE]

Never ever ever join with any other forum for wut ever benefits it would give (members bah) we got individuality and when the boards get 700 post of bullcrap its completly useless so why need the extra users Zelaron Is the best forum I have ever been to and if anything changed so dramatical I would not use it anymore Im not saying god is not a good forum but it would rob everything from zelaron that makes it good and if all there moderators/admins etc are as pissy as dmaster and madjokster It would not convenience me in any way like zelaron does :)

[Chruser]

That's a nice comment Tae, thank you. I'm glad that you guys like the forums, even if we're not the biggest ones out there (yet) ;)

[Unregistered]

Alright guys im back and here to stay !!! Ohh yah I think zel.com and the forums are l33t as always... I was here at the begining and got banned by tacox :] hehe got to be friends with everyone and now IM BACK... well i guess i got to talk about this merge NO WAY IN HELL SHOULD IT HAPPEN.. Well just my opinion

[GodsLittlePimp]

??? ^ ^^^ guess it would help if i logged in huh ???

[SlaX0r]

I'm curious....whats everyones fascination with becoming bigger and better then cheatlist....?

[mightychicken]

i'm confused on the matter as well. So far what i've gathered is that cheatlist spams way more than the people here like.

[Absolut]

damn those cheat list spammer, damn them all to hell

[JohnnyTAE]

I think you df3.net peeps got sumthen up on cheatlist though kinda amazing when you look at it closely

[Shayde]

Originally posted by mightychicken
i'm confused on the matter as well. So far what i've gathered is that cheatlist spams way more than the people here like.

People say that because Cheatlist has around 10 X the members here and gets about 10 X more posts. Sure some are spam, but you think that atleast 1 out of every 100 is gonna be a spammer,
we got 9000, thats 90 spammers on the loose. That doesnt mean the remain 8100 people are spammers.

But say what you must to keep your user's from leaving you.

[JohnnyTAE]

lol nice try shayde but every one that says it like myself migrated here from cheatlist and know that 95% of your posts are useless bullcrap maybe not spam but useless none the less (not even a little humorous like zelarons useless posts) and then the fact that everyone flames another because cheatlist gots that mucho muda fuka attitude going on shit dont get done cuz noobies beg and no one will ever help one another with anything only once did I get helped out of 3months of being there and that was just for some romz on a emu site (c'mom now thats pretty sorry)
remember when the matrix dupe came out and you guys tried to jack/claim it from zelaron thats when I first switched
go ahead and flame me and show how sorry your forums trully are

Cheatlist is hell and Zelaron is heaven remember that
-JohnnyTAE

[JohnnyTAE]

lol I think zelaron has more people converted from cheatlist then cheatlist will ever get from zelaron

[Shayde]

lol nice try shayde but every one that says it like myself migrated here from cheatlist

Can i say anymore?
Half of you are the cheatlist outkasts, people that werent excepted, people that couldnt get a mod position fast enough, people that were banned.

[JohnnyTAE]

I was never banned and never looked for a postion over there(who in the right mind would?)
why the fuck would someone care to be accepted over there shit gets spammed over so fuckin fast no one would even notice shit. might of been an outkast like most people over there with a slight amount of intelligence(the rest are brain dead noob beggars) and shayde you make me so glad that your forums are commiting sucide

and wut the fuk you doing over here go back to your fucked up forums if there as great as you say...

[Chruser]

Nay, we're not cheatlist outcasts. Some might be, but a lot of people have come here from other forums too.
Besides, we have a treaty with them now :)

[ZERONX]

Zelaron owns :P (also cause im a senior mod here lol)

[JohnnyTAE]

it owns and im not a mod :)

[WetWired]

Perhaps I can't help but love a board that I've been a part of since it was a bunch of mostly empty forums.

But what an awesome forum it has become
--WetWired

[Chruser]

Originally posted by WetWired
Perhaps I can't help but love a board that I've been a part of since it was a bunch of mostly empty forums.

But what an awesome forum it has become

It's not like we're going to stop getting members now. We've only just gotten started :)

[Madjokster]

You guys will get the same positions at god that u would here.

[Wiccan][V][asta]

So you're saying if I come to GOD, I will be an OT moderator? btw, I did migrate from cheatlist.... for all I could care they can annihilate my account on their forums... I don't want to be mean but I find these forums funner. Sure, we have spammers, but in this forum I try and keep it under control... the admins/sen mods have given me congrats for keeping the spam at bay...

[Chruser]

Madjokster: hows it goin with the admins ?
Zelaron: Not too good.
Madjokster: have u even talked to em?
Zelaron: Yep.
Madjokster: what are there responses
Zelaron: They want us to stay.
Zelaron: As in, we don't want a merge.
Madjokster: no i didnt know what "they want us to stay"
Madjokster: ment lol
Zelaron: ...
Madjokster: well it would be good but remember today is hte last day to get a full response.
Madjokster: or offer is gone
Zelaron: We have decided to decline it.
Zelaron: sorry
Madjokster: alright
Madjokster: big lose
Zelaron: not really :-)
Madjokster: whys that?
Madjokster: u barely have membes on what does that do for u?
Zelaron: hehe
Zelaron: You'll see :-)
Madjokster: ...

[Wiccan][V][asta]

Yay, I'm glad it's official now. No more merging with GOD forums assholes... :)

[JohnnyTAE]

Well said wiccan :)

[Xenn]

Question resolved. Answer:

No, atleast for now.

[JohnnyTAE]

it should just remain
no forever!

[Unregistered]

Hate to point this out to you folks... im a clf dude, I dont realy have anything against you people or your forums... But if you guys are going to merge just to own clf... Well last time i checked we were more then 12k and growing... So merge for some other reason...

[Mr.Lee]

have you a good reason to merge with other forums crusher?

[Killah]

we are not merging this was established 2 weeks ago...so this is ~!*CLOSED!*~