"Video Game" consoles that are way out of hand

[GameCube]

in light of the announcement of the new psx, i have decided to make a flame thread for "video game" consoles that are way out of hand. i mean, who buys a video game console to burn dvds or play music? sony and microsoft do not belong on the video game business because they are not video game companies. what happened to the "good old days" when it was just nintendo and sega, real video game companies, making consoles. as of now, nintendo is the only real video game console maker out there. sega left the console business because of the ps2. what is going on here?? is it just me or is the video game business not what is used to be?

[Raziel]

No, it's not what it used to be anymore. Video games were, at one point, shunned by the "popular masses" and considered a fad, fit only for nerds and children. Now, with the advent of games like Tony Hawk's Pro Skater and Grand Theft Auto, video games in general have become "cool". People apparently freak out about a game with a bland graphics engine and lackluster plot as long as you can kill a hooker or listen to shitty 80's pop in a stolen car.

The fact is, video games in general have become popular. Good games (read: Nintendo Games) are considered kid's fare because the console they support doesn't double as a low end DVD player. Nintendo, in all honesty, put's worlds more attention and effort into creating a brilliant experience than Sony or Microsoft are interested in. Sony and Microsoft are more concerned with flash than substance.

That's why the video game industry is not at all like it once was. Games like Super Mario Sunshine and Animal Crossing get nowhere near the level of respect they deserve, because your average pundit doesn't take the time to pay attention to the intricacies of the game. They want to kill hookers now, and if any original plot or inventive mechanics should get in the way of accomplishing that goal, the game is deemed "kid's fare".

I agree with you wholeheartedly, GC. I am thoroughly disgusted with the current state of affairs in the video game industry. When a pile of smoldering crap like FFX outsells a work of art like Eternal Darkness, I can only weep for the future. Nintendo is the only real shining beacon in an ocean of disappointment.

[Jamesadin]

People are amused easily, by such little things. I am with you also, GC, and Raziel.

[NonGayMan]

It's always nice to have a built-in DVD player on your console. I sure as hell don't want to spend more money on something that I can get with my console.

[Lady Ice]

Raziel, I loved FFX, so kiss my ass. :P

though I haven't played Eternal Darkness and unless it's on PS2, I won't be playing it either.

I like that my ps2 will play dvd's, because now I have two dvd players, one for my tv downstairs and one for the tv upstairs.

we chose the ps2 because of the larger amount of games available than the other two consoles. GameCube does have more "kid" friendly games than the PS2, and I don't mean that in a negative way. Just games that are more substance and less violence.

I'm also not a hard core gamer, so I'm only looking for certain things to fufill my gaming experience. I actually prefer games on the PC, to be honest.

[NonGayMan]

I have all three consoles.

Call me spoiled. :)

[uncapped]

Well, I guess I'm spoiled too. I got em all as well.

[zagggon]

damn lucky

[Hades-Knight]

I agree with raziel but on the other hand you have to admit gamecube sucks ass.....i mean 98% of gamecube games are for 8 year olds......as you stated they are all fairy stuff like mario / animal crossing....which are games played mostly by kids under 12 ... In Zelda Wind Waker they took one of the best games of all time and turned it into a shit ass game with the worst graphicxs i've ever seen.

[NonGayMan]

Actually, it's a proven fact that it is harder to make a cel-shaded game than a game like the old zeldas.

[DaFrigginDoctah]

I refuse to read all that... I just wanted to say...

Long live 'Merc'!

[zagggon]

KR gamecube games do not ALL suck, metriod prime is a superb game and so is supersmash bros melee

[LadyPhoenix]

~* Tosses two coppers in the cup *~

Let's face it, gaming isn't what it used to be. How many of you played D&D way back when level 20 was the highest you could achieve and it took YEARS to do? Gaming companies have started to cater to the lazy and those that are lazy want something to keep their attention...so what do they give them?? More options and better graphics.

They're not much on story lines anymore and they sure as shit aren't much up on music. Some of the best games are still on the lower end systems because of the play value. That's all we had... shitty graphics, decent music, great storyline.

There just aren't many hardcore gamers anymore. The Nintendo, Atari, Clecovision Generations are grown up and the companies have to make way for the younger generations that are hungry for hi tech. Welcome to the outcome.

[Lady Ice]

Colecovision. LMAO

My Atari 2600 pwned all!

[Eddie_Perez]

Well, soon, video games consols are just gonna be 400 dollar pcs.... if not already :wierd:

[LadyPhoenix]

You pay for what you get, though. You pay $400 and get the DVD burner too.

[Grav]

CHRONO TRIGGER

[kaos]

fuck

[Battlecruiser]

Im with you Adam (GameCube). I am so sick and fucking tired of all these systems coming out that have lost all true gaming capabilities and are now just very expensive cd players

[GameCube]

ok, who here is actually gonna buy this monstosity???

[GameCube]

srry to double post but someone logged onto my account and posted, so i had to edit it. so...who is gonna actually buy it?

[Kobogen]

It all has to do with personal likes and dislikes. So when you say that a system sucks and its worth nothing your right and wronge at the same time. And the people who make the system are not the people who make the games. The X BOX is a very popular system to Game makers not only becuse its a new system and with its rep people will by their games, but also becuse its very easy to program games for. Unlike the PS2 which can be trouble for the game makers do to the way the system intreptes code. All and all the people are out to make money and its sad to say but yes they will sometimes have shallow story or Gameplay so they can get there game out faster.

[mightychicken]

Well, soon, video games consols are just gonna be 400 dollar pcs.... if not already :wierd:

you get an applause for your avatar. *applause*

[Acer]

Xbox > PS2 > Cube, end of story! lol

Now games for the consoles may change how people favor them. I am saying the console!

[Rurouni Storm]

I find it funny how everyone ranks the X Box higher than the other two. I personally see the X Box as a powerful system ruined by shitty games. Halo? Bah, hardly anything extra than your average FPS. What else has the X Box got that the other two consoles don't?
Only nod I'll give to the X-Box is that MP is generally better due to them only allowing broadband connections.

The GC's got some pretty good games. Personally, I can't stand Wind Waker (the graphics make me want to stab my eyes out with a toothpick), but I liked Eternal Darkness, Mario, Smash Brothers, Metroid and a couple others exclusive to the console. I really think Nintendo should go the way of Sega and just develop games. It's what they're best at.

The PS2's the weakest system hardware-wise, but they seem to have the best game developers on their side. I bought a PS2 simply because Squaresoft was only developing games for Sony at the time.

[NonGayMan]

Halo is the shiznit. I could play this game for hours and hours non-stop, not caring what time it was, or whatever. I still play this game! I don't see how anyone could dislike this game.

[DaFrigginDoctah]

He didn't say he disliked it, just that it didn't bring anything new to the table, which I actually disagree with. I'll post why later... Gotta go cook something for my family.

[GameCube]

Halo is the shiznit. I could play this game for hours and hours non-stop, not caring what time it was, or whatever. I still play this game! I don't see how anyone could dislike this game.

halo compared to counter strike. please cs pwns halo. most good fps's are for pc. halo is fun for like 5 mins. cs requires much more skill than halo. who cares if a game has better graphics if the gameplay sucks?

[DaFrigginDoctah]

The gameplay on Halo does not suck at all... Get off the Novice setting, boy, go to Legendary. ^_^
If you cant play Halo for more than 5 minutes, then you must have some kind of brain damage... You should get that checked out. ;)

[NonGayMan]

The gameplay does not suck. Play the game before you criticize it. And AA owns CS anyday... The only reason I quit AA is because the patches would never work for me for some reason.

Halo is also definitely known for it's replay value. My brother and I beat the game in Legendary in about 1 and a half days. AND we STILL play it. We are now working on Heroic and we're in the Flood Level.

And you say CS requires much more skill than Halo? Well, like I said, play the game before you criticize it. Oh, and I'm sure a game that has been hacked to shit requires much more skill than Halo. Yeah. Ok. It's too bad that I can't shoot through walls to kill my enemies....

First of all, Halo was intended to be a single-player game, and for a single-player game, the game is damn hard. Sure, it gets easy after you've mastered it (which I have ^_^), but it definitely requires some skill.

Second of all, I can't believe you said Halo is only fun for 5 minutes. Now I know for a fact that you've never played this game.

[ouroboros]

You know what royally sucks?
hack.sign
retarded anime with music that gets annoying after 3 episodes. the main character is a cry baby, like shinji from n.g.e, except he starts out as a cry baby. one cry baby as a main chracter is enough for any genre of media. it's an anime based on a little fag stuck in a multi player rpg. the only people i have found to like this anime were rpg addicts and/or cry babies that can relate to that chracter or wished they had an ass dildo like that summon of his. i've watched 7-8 episodes and that's all i can take

am i off subject or are we still picking on rurouni storm?

[uncapped]

Ouroboros, that was completely off topic. This thread is about "Video Game" consoles that are way out of hand. I suggest you edit your post and make it something useful.

[ouroboros]

suggestion noted and ignored

[Eddie_Perez]

Did anyone see that Halo2 review on X-Play on TechTV, it looks tight. And also halo for pc is gonna be sweet.

[Rurouni Storm]

~snip~

Thank you for reminding me. This sig is damn old.

[symnzXx]

Please read what I have to say.

You know what? Fuck everyone who thinks (Saying that they think about anything else than the graphics would be erroneous, but who gives a hell?) PS2 has "better games" than the Gamecube. I'm really getting sick and tired of them. Most people who say that haven't even played many Gamecube games. And what kind of arguement is "OMG OMG GAMCUBE DOSNT AHVE NAY GAMEZ!!?". That doesn't matter. It's time for these fucking fanboys to open their eyes and realize that it's not primarily the graphics that count, it's the gameplay and replay value. A game isn't fun if it's a bitch to control. Not many PlayStation games can match the quality of an 'Only for Gamecube' Game. (I.E. Pikmin, SSBM, Zelda: WW).

Another thing: How dare people say that the new Zelda has shitty graphics? Name one game on PlayStation game that runs as smoothly as the Wind Waker. Can't name too many can you? That's because this game was carefully fine-tuned by one of the greatest game creators to EVER exist. (Shigeru Miyamoto)

My arguments may be small, but atleast I state valid points, unlike these fanboy queers. Long live the Gamecube -- w00t, symnz

[ouroboros]

np
his new avatar is anime Nelly :O

i've only had one game console(atari, i think...?) it had a key board and was black or darkish color, had like a 50x50 pixel screen... is that atari?

[symnzXx]

Ouro that asian chick in your sig is really fucking hot.

[GameCube]

The gameplay does not suck. Play the game before you criticize it. And AA owns CS anyday... The only reason I quit AA is because the patches would never work for me for some reason.

Halo is also definitely known for it's replay value. My brother and I beat the game in Legendary in about 1 and a half days. AND we STILL play it. We are now working on Heroic and we're in the Flood Level.

And you say CS requires much more skill than Halo? Well, like I said, play the game before you criticize it. Oh, and I'm sure a game that has been hacked to shit requires much more skill than Halo. Yeah. Ok. It's too bad that I can't shoot through walls to kill my enemies....

First of all, Halo was intended to be a single-player game, and for a single-player game, the game is damn hard. Sure, it gets easy after you've mastered it (which I have ^_^), but it definitely requires some skill.

Second of all, I can't believe you said Halo is only fun for 5 minutes. Now I know for a fact that you've never played this game.

FYI I HAVE PLAYED IT, and it sux. how can u guys like this game at all??? it is so BORING!!!!! and how many good games does xbox have? hmmm.....0. BLINX TEH TIME SWEEPOR IS ITS BESWT GAME ANT IT SUXORS. y make sequels to shitty games?

[uncapped]

Oh my god. My hands are locking up in pain from that post. I can't believe you said that about Halo. It would be one thing from a non gamer... But you, of all people. I have to kill you now.

[DaFrigginDoctah]

y make sequels to shitty games?
"y" make sequels to shitty posts, jackass?

[GameCube]

howz about we get back to the main topic: "Video Game" consoles that are way out of hand and stop saying why or why not halo sucks.

[uncapped]

Yea, "howz" about we...

[DaFrigginDoctah]

I'd have to say I like my Playstation 2 more than my xBox in some ways, but my xBox more than my PS2 in others. PS2 is a good overall system, not getting too high in this aspect and too low in this aspect, it is very well balanced! xBox has some nice games, great graphics, I love the controllers, some of the features, Halo helps a lot true but so does other games such as Splinter Cell which I love... Anyway...

[Raziel]

Okay, this isn't a flame thread. I'm moving it to General Gaming. If people start attacking others personally then it will be acceptable in this forum. Disagreements over console preference don't constitute flaming.

*Moved to General Gaming*

[quikspy67]

But now if theres flaming it gets closed.

[NonGayMan]

Congratulations, you're the first person to say that Halo sucks! No, you've never played the game. Because if you had, you would have loved the game! When I first played the game, I was addicted for hours!


y make sequels to shitty games?

Halo is not a shitty game. Period. And Halo 2 will probably be ranked as one of the best games in history. It will probably have good gameplay, good replay value, nice graphics, nice reviews, etc. just like Halo did.

stop saying why or why not halo sucks

If you haven't notice, you're the only one that's saying that Halo sucks. Maybe it's because it doesn't suck! It's like the old saying goes, if you can't beat em, join em!

If I wanted to, I could state a few flaws that the GameCube has, but I'm not going to do that. That's just stupid and immature.

howz about we get back to the main topic: "Video Game" consoles that are way out of hand and stop saying why or why not halo sucks.

Hey, you're that one that said Halo sucked. Not us. We were just 'defending' it. If you didn't want this thread to become off-topic, you should have just let it be.

[Raziel]

But now if theres flaming it gets closed.

Then so be it. If you decide to close it for flaming instead of simply moving it back to the Flame Forum, that's your decision. I don't want it in my forum because it doesn't belong there. Having a disagreement over console preference is not grounds for it being located in the Flame Forum. If people start attacking others personally, feel free to move it back.

[symnzXx]

I don't want it in my forum because it doesn't belong there.

Hmm, yes. It doesn't belong there, just like you. Because you are a biased faggot with nothing but a mudhole you call a forum that you wallow in to make your day not seem so shitty. You have a bad day, come home and be a big tough guy to people you don't know, and presto! Instant bullshit self-righteousness. Have fun now, you stupid fucker.

[Rurouni Storm]

Another thing: How dare people say that the new Zelda has shitty graphics? Name one game on PlayStation game that runs as smoothly as the Wind Waker. Can't name too many can you? That's because this game was carefully fine-tuned by one of the greatest game creators to EVER exist. (Shigeru Miyamoto)


Yeah, it runs smooth, but I just can't stand how fucking girly they made Link look. They ruined him, in my opinion.

[Raziel]

SYM, you're a glutton for punishment aren't you? You're not in the Flame Forum, so can it.

[Burn666side]

Fortunately i'm happy with both my Gamecube and my Ps2. and i use them both for what they were originally invented for...Video games. i'm keeping it real here boys! hehe

[GameCube]

agreed. video game consoles should be used ONLY to play video game. y buy a video game console to record tv shows? thats makes no sense at all. this is why sony and microsoft are not real video game companies because they dont specialize in making video games. That is why nintendo is better because thats all they do: make video games and video game hardware.

[øøxXxøø]

eww sounds crappy

[Soulmaster]

sony should not be making game systems! Their hardware is cheap as hell and they flood the market with way too many crappy games!! XboX and GC might not have many games but they have great exclusives......if you haven't, play eternal darkness for GC or Timesplitters 2 for XboX.....and for anyone who thinks Windwaker has bad graphics, just look at the shading and the actual animations(motion) ...Ive never seen better in a cel-shaded game!

[uncapped]

agreed. video game consoles should be used ONLY to play video game. y buy a video game console to record tv shows? thats makes no sense at all. this is why sony and microsoft are not real video game companies because they dont specialize in making video games. That is why nintendo is better because thats all they do: make video games and video game hardware.

Just because that's all that Nintendo does doesn't mean that it makes them the best at it. Microsoft and Sony are doing a great job having XBox and PS2 include extra functions besides playing games. It makes more than just the average gamer want to buy their products.

But extra functions isn't what makes both PS2 and XBox great. Microsoft and Sony are just as good, if not better, at making hardware and software then Nintendo. Just like Nintendo, they too have a enormous staff of developers. It wouldn't suprise me if they had more than them.

So, I have a question for you now, GC. Why would you say Nintendo better then these two companies?

[Grav]

Because his name is GameCube, and that's made by nintendo!

[Rurouni Storm]

Timesplitters 2 for XboX

Also on PS2 ;)

The X Box really doesn't have a lot of quality games yet. Nothing's hit its full potential.

And Sony did fuck up the PS2 pretty badly. It actually has more power than a GameCube in it, but the circuitry inside creates a bottleneck due to one CPU controlling it all. Nintendo got around this by using a few sub-CPUs (but the total power is still less than a PS2) to divide the load and the results do show.

[Raziel]

Also on PS2

Also on Gamecube.

Microsoft and Sony are just as good, if not better, at making hardware and software then Nintendo.

That's not true in the slightest. The PS2 is quite possibly the flimsiest console ever manufactured. I've played my Gamecube easily ten times as much as my PS2 and the thing still works exactly like it did the day I bought it (which happens to be the day it was released). My PS2 (which I only bought last summer) on the other hand, has stopped playing most DVDs, and I expect it to stop playing PS2 games, PS1 games and audio CDs entirely within the next few months. On top of that, the console itself is the hardest of the three to code for considering it uses three weaker-powered processors instead of one higher-end processor, so the "software" argument doesn't work there either. Sony doesn't even have an internal development group. In other words, they don't even make their own games anymore. The thing is just a hunk of crap with a lot of 2nd and 3rd party support.

The reason that Nintendo is the best at what they do is because they've been doing it for about a century. They've been making video games for about 20 years, but have been in existence since the early 1900s. They know exactly what their audience wants, and they never fail to disappoint. The day Nintendo stops making video games is the day the video game industry ceases to exist.

[Rurouni Storm]

BTW, Nintendo didn't actually make or manufacture the GameCube. They're made by IBM, hence the high quality. :)

[Raziel]

The processor was designed by IBM. Not sure about the actual manufacturing of the parts, but the rest of the console was designed by Nintendo.

[Rurouni Storm]

IBM makes all the chips (save the gfx ones), not just the processor, so they've definitely had a say in the architecture. Either way, it's really a well-designed system.

[NonGayMan]

I mainly use my Xbox as a DVD player now, rather than a video game player. Sure, I play Halo every once and a while, but I also rent movies every weekend. That's why I love my Xbox, it's so good for playing DVDs.

[J_iceman]

but when you use your xbox you have to buy some "extra" thing to actually watch it in your tv huh?? with the ps2 you just plug it in right from the box

and as of game ply and graffics...."if you are looking for games, go for the PS2, for the grafics, go for the x-box and as for the gcube, its just there!!!" the PS@ games are prettyh cheap now a days. sure when the games come out it will be 50 bucks but if you just wait a while it probably go down to about 16 to 20 bucks.....i.e. grand theft auto vice city, it was 50 bucks now is 19.99

xbox, i have to say has good graphics, some companies say its even better than ps2, it just that thay dont have that many "good" games. well splinter cell, but it also came out in ps2 later on, it actually depends on if the other company is going to make the same game or not, is ps2 coming out with halo?? who knows, it might just happen, for those people who just dont want to buy the xbox, you guys are just missing out!

gcube-it just there,

[Rurouni Storm]

is ps2 coming out with halo??

I doubt it, but it WILL come out for PC eventually.

[Raziel]

IBM makes all the chips (save the gfx ones), not just the processor, so they've definitely had a say in the architecture. Either way, it's really a well-designed system.

Doh, you're right. I was mixing up a bunch of shit in my head. ArtX did the GFX chips, IBM did the others.

[GameCube]

I mainly use my Xbox as a DVD player now, rather than a video game player. Sure, I play Halo every once and a while, but I also rent movies every weekend. That's why I love my Xbox, it's so good for playing DVDs.
ok, then why spend $180 on a low-end, non progressive scan DVD player/video game console if you can buy a new progressive scan higher-end DVD player for half the price?

[J_iceman]

how do you guys do that?? putting the qute the other person wrote and then talking about it??

[GameCube]

um...you click the button by their post that says "quote"

[J_iceman]

um...you click the button by their post that says "quote"

lets see if it works, hey ^@#$^%$

[Tai]

I have a PS2, a GCN, and a 70$ Sony DVD player. Know what? I play dvd's in the dvd player. Why? Because its several times better then the PS2.

Yes, the PS2 is a bad system architecturaly. It has many, many problems. It lags, it can crash. It doesn't excatly do a marvelous job at playing DVDs either.

Though, if you do want some gratification for the PS2 itself (excluding games), someone did hook several hundred PS2's together to make a supercomputer able to do several trillion actions a second.

If I want to play a good game, I look to see what's on the Gamecube. If it's by nintendo, I know it'll be a damn good game, and worth buying and playing. I'd also wager the *only* reason why everyone here has such animosity towards GCN is because Nintendo made a small mistake when they calculated what the industry would need with processing power, well they're definately making a stronger one, and I hope it'll be able to play GCN games too. Gamecube is also the easiest of the three consoles to program for. Oh and yes, cel shaded or "animated" look in 3D modeling is dozens of times harder then fancy realistic graphics like Doom 3.

I played Zelda: WW twice, and will probably play it again later. It's a good game, great gameplay, I personally love the sailing, and the graphics are phenominal.

Anyways ontopic, want to know a business reason why Sony and Microcrap are putting dvd players and extras on their consoles? Because they don't have faith in their own systems, hell the guy who designed the Xbox left the company a few days after it was released because he knew how bad the system was. Nintendo knows they make great games, they know their systems can do everything they need them to do, and that gameplay is more valuable the graphics any day. If you like graphics more then gameplay, go grab a 3D modeling program and make yourself a playmate. You'd have all graphics no gameplay, have fun.

I don't use the PS2 as a dvd player, I wouldn't. An actual dvd player is much, much cheaper and will work much, much better.

Btw, did you know Sony makes Potato Chips? They do, they make just about anything. Nintendo specializes in games and gaming, and know their material 100x as well as microcrap or sony. The only reason why Sony is in the industry is because they offered to make a CD attachment for the Nintendo, and they turned the offer down. Hence the psx (ps1) was born. Microcrap is in it for the money, nothing else. Go figure too. They have mafia like tactics in business, you know. I certainly wouldn't want the mob of the hi tech world running an industry I love.

Blah blah, rant is over.

Buy a gaming console to play games, not to listen to music or watch movies. If you want something that does all that, just get a better computer stupid.

PS: Just a complaint, but god damn half the people here can't even talk correctly. If you can't speak right or show proper understanding of your *own language* how can someone take your side as valid? I mean come on, what the heck?! Ignoring the fact most of those individuals are children. I've known quite a few kids with far better lingual ability then THAT.

[Strider Fury]

good thoughts.
too bad FF left Nitendo, or Nitendo would have dominated the market.

[J_iceman]

......want to know a business reason why Sony and Microcrap are putting dvd players and extras on their consoles? Because they don't have faith in their own systems,.....

i thought that made it a dvd player because the games have dvd quality in the games, making it harder to copy, and better graffics

[Raziel]

i thought that made it a dvd player because the games have dvd quality in the games, making it harder to copy, and better graffics

GCN, PS2 and XBOX Games are all on DVDs. They've got a lot more space than CD-ROMs, and they are harder to pirate. Nintendo releases their games on mini-DVDs, because those are even tougher to copy.

Microcrap is in it for the money, nothing else. Go figure too. They have mafia like tactics in business, you know. I certainly wouldn't want the mob of the hi tech world running an industry I love.

Funny you should mention that. Nintendo just spent somewhere in the ballpark of 700 million dollars buying back their own stock shares. They did it in order to ward off a possible hostile takeover by none other than (you guessed it) Microsoft. This just proves further that Nintendo is only interested in making quality video games, and Microsoft is only interested in the homogenization and acquisition of every competing corporate entity.

Nintendo is where the real heart, the life of the video game industry lies. Microsoft is where the death of that industry lies. Buy Nintendo, shun Microsoft.

[Tai]

Squaresoft is no more, it's partnered with enix. And they've started making a few games for GCN. Hopefully they'll make more and more for Nintendo, since the PS2 is dying now. Boy wouldn't that be an interesting turn around if Squarenix became GCN exclusive?

[Rurouni Storm]

Boy wouldn't that be an interesting turn around if Squarenix became GCN exclusive?

Ain't gonna happen since Sony still owns a fair chunk of the company.

[Raziel]

Ain't gonna happen since Sony still owns a fair chunk of the company

That's what people thought about Rare, RS.

Personally, here's what I'd love to see happen:

Square has, for a long time, been using multiple design teams for their various projects, including two different teams for their Final Fantasy franchise. A separate team of designers was used for FF9 than the team that designed FF8 and 10. The FF10 team is currently working on FFX-2 for the PS2 and the FF9 team is currently working on Crystal Chronicles for Gamecube. Considering that I hated Final Fantasies 8 and 10, and I loved 9, I couldn't be happier that my favorite of the two teams is designing games for Gamecube.

My hope is that this trend continues indefinitely. I hope that the badass FF9 team continues to produce games solely for Nintendo, and the awful FF10 team continues to churn out crap for Sony. If this is the way things continue, I'll be dancing the giddiest fucking jig in the history of giddy jigs!

[Rurouni Storm]

There's also rumours of a third team working on a real FF12.

And unfortunately, Crystal Chronicles is supposed to a Diablo-ish game, not a real FF. Hell, you even need 4 GBAs hooked up in order to change equipment in MP.

[Raziel]

Crystal Chronicles is an Action/RPG (think Secret of Mana). And you don't have to play with any more than one person. The multiplayer element just adds further depth to the game.

And If FF8 and 10 are what the future of "real Final Fantasy" looks like, I'd rather play Crystal Chronicles.

[Soulmaster]

Timesplitters 2 for XboX

Also on PS2 ;)


It was, and I was pissed cause I don't have an Xbox and the PS2 one is nowhere near as good =( Still not enough to make me go buy an Xbox tho mainly because I don't want to support microsoft any more than I really have to...

[J_iceman]

PLAYING THE ANTAGONIST RIGHT NOW...

You have to give credit to Microsoft for being where they are at right now. All they are trying to do is be the best in what they do, right??

Why not put yourself to there position... if someone you don’t know had a company that really knows what they are doing (Nintendo) and you (Microsoft) are known for software, computer crap, etc. and you say to yourself, "Dude, games are easy to make.... easier than making software.” and you know you can make a lot of money form it, wouldn't you try your best to get the same respect as Nintendo and get that money also??

When the first Playstation came out I was very impressed with the selection of games they had. At the time I also had the Super Nintendo with several games, I thought that there was never going to be another console that carried as many games as the snes. But then playstation kept on growing and growing. Everybody had to buy the playstation.
Before you know it PS2 came out and what was cool was that you could play your OLD games to the new console as well, I said, “Dam, you can’t beat that” and so I bought a PS2 also. With Nintendo, you can’t play old nes in the snes, can you?? I know you can play gboy games in the snes but that’s it.

And about the DVD thing, haven’t you guess also think that it also have to do from changing THE vhs era to DVD?? In most blockbusters, DVD’s are more dominant than vhs, so why NOT add a DVD player if it actually plays DVD quality gaming. It’s just an extra feature that people are lucky to have. Look at people who never had a DVD player before, now having a DVD player AND entertainment system all in one. Not bad right?? I gots to go, I’ll continue later !!