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JiDDaR
2003-03-14, 01:38 PM
08 Valor , 160/60max dmg + life/str/fhr or schaft?

tacoX
2003-03-14, 02:06 PM
160/60IAS +100life

NOT max damage.

JiDDaR
2003-03-14, 02:08 PM
ok thx taco :)

And which helm Gaze, Harle,Jalas or 120/45 ias Helm + life?

tacoX
2003-03-14, 02:12 PM
I suggest using JALAS for casting your Wearwolf, then Vamp for duels. get lvl32 WareWolf, and you shall rape.

Mr.Lee
2003-03-14, 02:15 PM
IAS?I thought that it didnt helped. Only affect ias on weopen.. or?

JiDDaR
2003-03-14, 02:16 PM
no look here http://diablo2.hg-computer.de/tips/calcs/weaponspeed.php?lang=english

Senesia
2003-03-14, 02:20 PM
160/60IAS +100life

NOT max damage.

Waaaat?
Noooo you need 160/60 Max dmg >_<
Not IAS...

OIAS doesn't help much with Werewolf Fury Speed~

You will only need the IAS on the weapon ONLY.

JiDDaR, maybe you should tell us what your weapon is, so we would know what suit you best~ ^_^

don't know if you need the FHR or not, so take a look at this:
Druid FHR BP:
Base = 7 frames
18% = 6 frames
48% = 5 frames
125% = 4 frames

Maintain at least 48% Fhr~ or you will suffer due to slow blocking and slow hit recovery >_<

And...Shael'ing the SS would make the block rate faster by 1 frame....

Senesia
2003-03-14, 02:22 PM
no look here http://diablo2.hg-computer.de/tips/calcs/weaponspeed.php?lang=english

That resource is inaccurate for shifted Druid, be it wolf or bear ^_^

JiDDaR
2003-03-14, 02:23 PM
i use cruel mythical sword of quickness 300 ed 40 ias

Senesia
2003-03-14, 02:26 PM
i use cruel mythical sword of quickness 300 ed 40 ias

Is it 3 socket?
If so, you can reach 4 fpa fury with shael shael ed/ias.

since it's a 0 base speed weapon you need 95% Ias~

EDIT: nice sword by the way, I'd make a druid just because of it ^_^

JiDDaR
2003-03-14, 02:29 PM
no it has only 2

Mr.Lee
2003-03-14, 02:29 PM
Hm ED/IAS? How about a ETH rune?

Senesia
2003-03-14, 02:40 PM
no it has only 2

That won't be good...since you will only be hitting 5fpa fury. >_<

@Mr.Lee:
Shael Shael ED/IAS is a must for 4fpa fury, when socketing a CMSoQ. With a ETH runes it won't help much...Most druids have 15k+ AR and will have a 85%+ chance of hitting the opponent anyway~
Eth will make the weapon speed drops to 4fpa...

EDIT:
Other weapon for 4fpa druid would be:

Cruel Cryptic Sword of Quickness with 3 sockets.
-10 base speed.
3x 40/15IAS jewels. 420% ED, 85% IAS.
Range: 2,
~31 - 405 damage. 218 Average

Cruel Conquest Sword of Quickness with 3 sockets
0 base speed.
Shael, Shael, 40/15IAS jewel. 340% ED, 95% IAS
Range: 1
167 - 237 damage. 202 Average.

Superior Berserker Axe (15% ED) with 6 sockets~
Shael, 5x 40/15ias jewels, 215% ED, 95% IAS
Range: 3
78 – 222 damage. 159 Average.
(The only range 3 legit 4fpa fury weapon~ ^_^)

Cruel Phase Blade of Quickness with 2 sockets
-30 base speed.
2x 40/15IAS jewels. 380% ED, 70% IAS.
Range: 2
153 - 172 damage. 162.5 Average.

Cruel Fanged Knife of Quickness with 2 sockets
Shael, 40/15IAS jewel. 340% ED, 75% IAS
Range: 1
70 - 255 damage. 162.5 average.

Knifes have a 50/50 str/dex (or 75/75?) dmg bonus btw.

JiDDaR
2003-03-14, 02:43 PM
what i should sock in there? Lo rune? 2*40/15 ias? or Eth rune?

Senesia
2003-03-14, 02:57 PM
what i should sock in there? Lo rune? 2*40/15 ias? or Eth rune?

Not sure if you want that for a druid...
Since you will have a hard time getting a swing.
This weapon can only go at...8/5/5/5/5? or 9/5/5/5/5 fury,
while all pallies hit at 8/4/4/4/4 now a day.

P.S. Sorry I got to go now, I'll type more when I get home ^_^

EDIT: read my last post in the mean time for weapon choice.

JiDDaR
2003-03-14, 03:01 PM
ok when i are at home can u post more str or life? and how much in energy?

Senesia
2003-03-14, 03:59 PM
ok when i are at home can u post more str or life? and how much in energy?

I'm home now ^_^

For a PvP Werewolf...
Max DR
Max Chance to block
No energy (Unless you are elemental druid..which I doubt~)
Enough Str to use the gear. (Probably 09 SS, so 156 str.)
At lvl 99 you will need 237 dex to max block for druid.

Total Blocking = (Blocking * (Dexterity - 15)) / (Character Level * 2)
Blocking = A total of the Blocking on all of your items.

Rest stats in Vita.
1 point in vita gives 2 Life, 1 Stamina.

Each level up you get:
1.5 Life, 1 Stamina, and 2 Mana.

Wolves need 4fpa (at least 5fpa..) Fury,
High dmg,
High life,
High life leech,
High deadly strike,
18% FHR for 4fr
48% FHR for 5fr
125% for 6.

Personally I use Oak sage. But it is just personally preference.
Oak gives more life while HoW gives you the killing power/AR.
Using HoW = more hits, more Dmg = more life leech.
Also increase the AR for your spirit wolves if you use them for block-locking your opponent.

Personally I would use the following gear:
Any 4fpa range 2 weapon.
Cham 08 Gaze. 25% DR. 8% dual leech
40/15max 09 SS. 35% DR
160/60max light class armor of Whale
Perfect String. 8/15/15 8% ll, 15% DR
Blood gloves with 6% ll, dual stat resist.
2x 11% ll, +stats/life, resist ring.
08 Gore (the max dmg is nice on War Trav tho ^_^) 15% DS, 30% frw.
08 highlord +1 skill, 20% DS, 30% Frw

That setup gives:
44% Life leech.
75% DR.
35% DS
60% Frw from items.

JiDDaR
2003-03-14, 04:14 PM
awesome ur very good dude

Senesia
2003-03-14, 04:16 PM
awesome ur very good dude

(Kind of OT but no dude-calling here.. ^_^)

No problem, if you have more PvP question just ask~

and...if anyone see any mistake in my post, please point out to me.

JiDDaR
2003-03-14, 04:44 PM
and if u have botting or hackit questions just ask me. ;)

Apoq
2003-03-14, 08:09 PM
senesia, even elementals don't put points in energy, they don't need as big of a pool because the spam skills don't require alot of mana, and the rest have timers

the str/dex is 50/50 i believe.

your fhr is going opposite, but you only really need 18% fhr

shaeling a stormshield makes no pvp difference, other than making you feel like your blocking faster : ) mentality can mean alot though i suppose...

if you play a wolf you do Not need cannot be frozen ..so take out the cham and put ed/max in that..

and -NO- ias calculators are accurate for werewolf/bear form druids.

08 highlords is still ds based on cLvl : )?
so more like 45%+ deadly if you level high enough to use ll rings

and, ed/max/light armor isn't worth its cost for mainly melee duels..

for dueling paladins a better weapon than more 4fpa 2 range weapons is

5 ed/ias shael normal/superior bezerker axe, 162 average damage 3 range : ) gives you a bit of distance over the competition

Senesia
2003-03-14, 08:19 PM
hehe...seems like no one put points in energy now~
Cannot be frozen is not needed if you are doing 4fpa fury and only doing Melee duels.
For ffa or slower fpa I believe the fury will slow down. (Same for the light armor~ worth it when doing non-melee)

The DS is the same as 09, oops. *thinks* .375 per level..11% ll ring...87%? level req. 32.6 DS.

Do some shift fury with the berserker...hehe I love range 3. ^_^

(P.S. going out~ be back around 10pm PST)

Apoq
2003-03-15, 12:32 AM
i basically "accidentally" put 20 points into energy on my sorc v sorc and got made fun of by some soulspur sorc who said she had 460 vitality and "i was owned", and 10 seconds later missed a teleport and died.. tsk tsk silly watch where you teleport :~)

holy freeze, slow attack (not legit tvt/ffa) neither slow down fury.

yes shift fury can be a beautiful thing.

Senesia
2003-03-15, 01:27 AM
My fury speed would slow down when chilled, back when I was using a Shael E-star. (5 Fpa fury) and it didn't slow down when I use my friend's CCSoQ (4 fpa fury)... ><''

KRØÑÏx
2003-03-16, 10:48 AM
tacox u u are a fuckin idiot, druid only get ias from there weapon so a 160/60 ias would not ad any ias. you should use 160/60 max or a 120 max dmg armor ( 4x +30 max dmg jewels ). a superior 6 socet phase blade with 3x 40/15 ias and 3 shael works nice. or griz cady 3x 40/15 ias. also druid do not need canot be frozen mod becasue it does not afect there atack speed while in shapeshift form. alowing u to use anotehr life leach ring.

Apoq
2003-03-16, 10:55 AM
kronix your stealth banned, AND ignorant about druids shush, your only about half right : /