God - Devil

[R@t-_-FiNkZ]

God? how many people actually belive in this figure that was set apon us just so that people can feel better about themselfs. Lies put into truth nothing here could be real, if jesus and god existed why do people die from accidents? it's all a lie, this is another factor why people make "gods" up so that they have someone to turn to when ever they mess up in thier lives. Honestly i don't believe in god or the devil, to me they are nothing more then fake charactors, nothing more then a book of lies. all of it is completly fake. tell me what you think about this? :fire:
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[Thanatos]

There's already been numerous threads about this.

[Kingof2v1]

http://www.zelaron.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7771

[DaFrigginDoctah]

Stop making threads like this.
If you want to discuss religion do it with someone you know and respect, do not just post it where any numbskull can reply.
My numbskull reply:
Atheist.
Now shut the fuck up and use the appropiate threads if you feel like being a dumbass.

[slaynish]

No, it's true, people die from accidents becuase their sins revolve, if you make a sin, you must be fully responsible for any action, It's sort of if you make a sin, it scars god from you'r sin, and its gods way of punishing you...

If people died in a shooting, it's gods way of punishing you, as if you just robbed a bank, and you die from a police, god is punishing you,

Thing to remeber, take note of you'r actions, they could be very bad somtimes.... So, when you get hit with a baseball, or somthing, dont blame it on the pitcher/batter, blame it on you'rself...

[Hades-Knight]

Humans have adored gods since the begining, its just human natura to think that there is a force greater than them

[slaynish]

yeah, but somtimes i wonder if hes real or not, or i just waste my time putting my hands together and saying a pray'r or anything, or if i feel down and talk to him(im crazy like that) am i just talking to myself...?

[Hades-Knight]

Yes your talking to yourself.

[slaynish]

Nice way of Putting it, but if there IS a god, i'd rather go to heaven, so not betta not take any chances =/

[Grav]

There's no god, and even if there was, you wouldn't be going to heaven, 'Tshirthell.com' boy

[slaynish]

^_^ Yes i would ^_^

[Satoshi]

Fat Bastard. I believe in god. Mainly because have you ever thought about where you will go when you die. I mean if you want to go to a burning lava underworld and be tortured? Be my guest. You will always remember though that Im looking upon you from Heaven on my cloud =P. :D

[Grav]

Weakminded imbeciles. There is no heaven. There is no hell. When you die, nothing happens. You're gone. What makes you so naive to think you still 'live' after death?

[slaynish]

Try to fool us with the way of you'r insolence(NO NOT YOU INSOLENCE)

Deep down, you'r just a disturbed little boy...

[Silverjinx18]

I'm so glad to see more help for God...that's rare these days...:) and if there's ever anyway I can help get you guys closer to God I will do my best just ask :)

[DaFrigginDoctah]

"I dont treasure my beliefs and I have no morals / ethics, so I will just SAY I believe in god, and if he does then I go to heaven yay! If he doesnt then no loss."
That's basically what you said Slaynish.
If there is one, I would rather burn in hell dying with what I believed in, than to be a phony to MYSELF all my life.
At least when I die I would die with some honor.

[Jamesadin]

Tortured for eternity? May I remind you people that eternity is one heck of a long time

[Admiral_Jason]

If God created everything, including Satan before he fell. What is to stop him from UN-making him? Your ass on god's shoe!

[EX-Mania]

ok... here's my theory... i'm god; end of story... na jk but my real theory about it:

God is a supernatural being with no shape or size, he's there just overlooking the world and seeing what he created, how was the world created? the big bang? what made that?... what created the cause of the big bang... and what created that?.. keep going back... if u say... no this got created by another thing, what was that other thing created by.. keep going back until u can't figure it out.

Christianity, Muslims and jews? who knows if their religions believe in the same thing but they all have their beliefs and all of which involve God, Allah, or Yahve which is the same person with a different name... and all the religions that i mentioned area ctually evolved versions of them with different prophets which heard the same words from god that the previous prophets heard.

How is this? coincidence? who knows.

Religion is also based on something else... it is based on having a stable society which gives peace to others and yourself if the others follow it... think about this, if everyone was a strong believer in religion; the world would be a great place.... but since alot of people don't believe in it they don't follow the rules of the religion. not saying god exists but if they believed it then the world=good.

[Grav]

Try to fool us with the way of you'r insolence(NO NOT YOU INSOLENCE)

Deep down, you'r just a disturbed little boy...

I'm disturbed?

"FUNNEH JOKES LOL!!!!

MYC RAP IS POINTY LIKE A SPEAR"

[Rurouni Storm]

There is no heaven or hell, IMO. Then again, I am a Zen Buddhist.

[crystiltormet]

I do not believe in god because there has not ben enough proof to make me believe.

[Titusfied]

I'm so glad to see more help for God...that's rare these days...:) and if there's ever anyway I can help get you guys closer to God I will do my best just ask :)

I'll help em get closer to God too...

:Postal: :head: :hanged: :slice:

[Mantralord]

I believe in a supernatural power, whether it be a "god" or not, there probably is something beyond that gives us our "consciousness"

[DaFrigginDoctah]

If someone gives me undenyable rock hard proof he exists, sure I'll change my beliefs.
Until then I choose not to believe in a character that has existed before the cosmos and has magical powers.

[Admiral_Jason]

God exists. End of story.

[Demosthenes]

God exists. End of story.

prove it

[Medieval Bob]

prove it

prove he doesn't

[Demosthenes]

What evidence do you have leading you to believe in an allmighty god...is it just a figment of your imagination or is it something you believe b/c ur parents told you. Or have you actually made a connection w/ a supernatural being. I just want 2 know why u believe in god and not something else since there isn't any hard evidence proving him 2 exist.

[Medieval Bob]

What evidence do you have leading you to believe there is no god... is it something you believe b/c ur parents told you there was no God? Or have you actually proof that nobody has ever talked w/ a supernatural being? I just want 2 know why u dont believe in God since there isn't any hard evidence priving him not 2 exist.

[Demosthenes]

I don't believe in god simple b/c there is no evidence. My parents believe in god first of all. It's like where did the whole idea of god come from. I mean it's as crazy as me sayin I believe that the Matrix is real or somethin...it's a complete random statement. I wasn't trying to downplay ne1's beliefs bob I'm just wondering why u believe in god. If your parents had never said nething about god would you still believe? Or if you grew up in a community where no1 had any idea about god and all of a sudden you came to a place where everyone was saying that god created us...and we all originated from adam and eve even though science and pure hard fact point otherwise and you have much more evidence backing the science theory than the religion theory. That's all I'm saying...how did the whole idea of a supreme being originate. Why would you believe in such a being and why not. The reason I don't believe in it is because to me it is just random...it's like some1 sayin somethin that's completely whack...but thats just me. I cant dissprove god but at the same time there is not much evidence pointing in that direction.

[Silverjinx18]

In the bible...in Revelations it gives us signs to tell us when He is coming like the wars that are happening right now... + it writes of how ppl saw Jesus rise from the tomb...and how He helped ppl see when they were blind and walk when they could not...if you went into a den w/ a few lions wouldn't you think they would eat you??? Well He kept Daniel from getting hurt in the den...there is proof everywhere...if you believe in God then He will give you manythings...He will prove it to you in many ways...that's why I believe because He's shown me that He is there....

[Medieval Bob]

I'm glad to have an intelligent comment.

My point of view. My parents don't go to church. They never took me to church. I went to church maybe.. 5 times with my grandparents when I was young. After that, I went to a Presbyterian church for about 3 months, then to a Baptist church for 4 months, then a Methodist church for a month. Now I go to Baptist church with my girlfriend. So, it has been my decision as for what to believe.

Science doesn't have any hard facts that point to the evolution theory. Think of the "missing link." The name implies that there is a link missing that proves the evolution of man.

True, I base my beliefs of God from what is in the Bible. That is the only way to get information on the subject. I choose biblical explinations over scientifical explinations. For example, in World History, we learned about when Moses parted the Red Sea, that the scientifical explination for the occurance is something about the tide being sporadic and coming in on the persuing army. This sounds more like an excuse than an explination to me. The man who was doing the work of God was aided by God it seems to me.

[Silverjinx18]

yeah and it seems that most scientific things don't usually happen right when you want them to...well this did... + there was his walking stick that turned into a snake and the death of the first born children...

[Medieval Bob]

I've always wanted a Moses Stick for Christmas.

[DaFrigginDoctah]

I'm not trying to push anyone to atheism, I am simply explaining my logic. I respect other people's beliefs even if I myself think they are wrong, I would never put anyone down for them.

If some joker who lived in a cave for 28 years wrote a hella long book about a magical creature with unlimited power and knowledge today, we'd call him crazy and lock him up.
So, why believe what he did back then?
Or, say if someone claimed to of turned water red, parted an ocean, or called a bunch of bugs down to kill people, what would you think of them?
What if I were to tell you something along the lines of:
I have foretold that a evil monster with 20, 000 arms, 10 eyes, and 1 leg will come to Earth and give us advanced medical techniques that can heal any and all illnesses in the universe... BUT only if you pray to him once a day for the rest of your life and have faith in him.
You would not be able to DISPROVE that theory would you?
What would you do?

[Medieval Bob]

There is a difference. In the case of the Bible, many people witnissed the events. Many people documented, thus the Bible not being written by one author. Most of the events in the Bible are not prophecies for the future, they are actual events that occured. The only prophecies in the Bible are about the return of Christ. People believe in those because the past events are true.

It's not that somebody claimed to turn water to blood, part an ocean, and call down a swarm of bugs. It happened. There were many, many witnesses.

[Titusfied]

Honestly, you guys are annoying, drop it...

Close this shit!

[R@t-_-FiNkZ]

titus, was the refering to me? i just started this topic up. i wanna be friends not enemies

[Admiral_Jason]

*hands titus a massive reaping Bazooka.

[Titusfied]

titus, was the refering to me? i just started this topic up. i wanna be friends not enemies

No, actually this one wasn't! ;) It was towards, Bob, his Gf, and HH... They are repetitive and annoying in this conversation...


*hands titus a massive reaping Bazooka.

*Titus grabs the Bazooka and in one swift motion, readies, aims, and fires it at this thread, blowing it and all its pointless posts to smitherines....*

*Drops the Bazooka, and casually walks away as if nothing had happened...*

[Demosthenes]

I'm not trying to push anyone to atheism, I am simply explaining my logic. I respect other people's beliefs even if I myself think they are wrong, I would never put anyone down for them.



Well many ppl also claim to have seen ufo's, the loch ness monster, bigfoot, the abominable snow man (etc etc...).

I'm sure we dont believe all of these simple because they were seen by many people and documented...

[DaFrigginDoctah]

Bob, do you know how bloody stupid people were back then? How much percentage of their brain they used?
They were basically open to hypnotic suggestion. Perhaps that is why they think they saw it?
There are many possiblities, I, however, do not believe magic is one of them.
What if I got a group together, say, 10, 000 men all saying that they have forseen this beast of the future as well. And say I got them to all say that I turned all Coke in all of the USA to Sprite.
How would you know that all the Coke just wasn't REPLACED with Sprite?
I'm willing to bet that if people did see the water go red, he just had someone in the Pharoah's pyramid replace it with blood, and they just spilled a bunch of water coloring or actual blood into a small part of the sea to give the reflection of water.
I remember way back before the white man killed off most the Native-Americans, they would sit by trees waiting for signs that they could break off a branch. Anything would do. Perhaps a bird landed on the tree, or a wolf walked by, or a cloud in the shape of the tree passed overhead.
One part of the ocean turning red, maybe all the people took it as a sign that all of it were?

[Medieval Bob]

No, actually this one wasn't! ;) It was towards, Bob, his Gf, and HH... They are repetitive and annoying in this conversation...


Actually, the debate between Hell Hound and I is in the "Sex" thread, not this one. And, in my defense, I realized that it was becoming repetitive and stated,

If no one can comment rationally to my previous post, then I consider this matter closed.

To which, of course, I got no replies, only arguments on other aspects of the debate.

[DaFrigginDoctah]

You obviously did not read / misread my post.
Mine is just simple logic to what is most likely to of what happened.
I choose not to believe in the Easter Bunny, or any of his magical friends / myths.
Lots of people claim they saw the real Santa Claus, adults and kids alike. Do you believe in Santa?

[Medieval Bob]

I obviously didn't reply to your post since I began it with a quote from Titus. But, I will address it now.

You said that it would be convincing if you got a group of 10,000 people to agree with everything you say. It would be convincing, but 10,000 people will never agree with everything you say. There will always be troublemakers, and there will be those around who will simply be defiant.

To nitpick, people would have coke, and it would not turn to sprite.

And, what relevance does tearing a branch from a tree have?

Your explination of turning water to blood is... almost feasable, but think of the plagues of frogs, gnats, flies, and locusts?? Could you rig that up... a couple thousand years ago? I wouldn't say so. And the hail, and the curse of the livestock dieing, and the 1st born children dying.

I don't see any other explination other than divine intervention.

[Demosthenes]

i think they could rig up somethin like that to create a pool of blood...think of the sphynx and the pyramids

[Medieval Bob]

i think they could rig up somethin like that to create a pool of blood...think of the sphynx and the pyramids

Yes... I just said it's feasable that it could be rigged. That's why I gave about 10 other examples of things that could not be rigged.

[Demosthenes]

well...it's basically just taking the word of what the book has 2 say...no proving or disproving it here...

[Medieval Bob]

There were witnesses. Actually, everyone in the whole damn kingdom witnessed these miracles.

And, for the validation of the particular book of the Bible with this information in it, it would never have been put into the Bible without confirmation by witnesses. Also, it is not only accepted today, but has been accepted until today as true.

[DaFrigginDoctah]

The people would believe anything a Pharoah said. That is just the way it went.

Your explination of turning water to blood is... almost feasable, but think of the plagues of frogs, gnats, flies, and locusts?? Could you rig that up... a couple thousand years ago? I wouldn't say so. And the hail, and the curse of the livestock dieing, and the 1st born children dying.

I don't see any other explination other than divine intervention.

Frogs, locusts, and the others, who knows they could of gathered them. Set some kind of a trap for them then released a couple hundred. People were very ignorant back then and believed that one small thing was part of a larger thing.
Plague... Hmm... How sanitary were they back then??
Livestock dying... Shit just feed them poison or poison the food and it spreads to all of them. I doubt they had armed gaurd gaurding the food for the cows back then.
Divine intervention? You think that is more feasible than poison?

[Ô¿Ô-Get-ME-High]

geese this is a lot of useless talk here. Most of this is completly off topic, but that seems to happen a lot lol.

[Silverjinx18]

So Da you don't believe that people can tell the future??

[DaFrigginDoctah]

Maybe by trying to predict the most possible outcomes, they can predict the most possible future.
After that it would just be chance and coincidence as usual.

[Titusfied]

I hate this discussion...

Sorry Bob, I got threads confused, but you still got my point.

[Medieval Bob]

The people would believe anything a Pharoah said. That is just the way it went.

Frogs, locusts, and the others, who knows they could of gathered them. Set some kind of a trap for them then released a couple hundred. People were very ignorant back then and believed that one small thing was part of a larger thing.
Plague... Hmm... How sanitary were they back then??
Livestock dying... Shit just feed them poison or poison the food and it spreads to all of them. I doubt they had armed gaurd gaurding the food for the cows back then.
Divine intervention? You think that is more feasible than poison?

Well first, it wasn't a couple hundred locusts. They completely destroyed the crops. And second, you totally skipped over the worst curse. The curse of the 1st born dying.

And yes, I think divine intervention is more feasable than the collective coloring of water, the gathering of tens of thousands of frogs, gnats, locusts, and flies, the deaths of thousands of livestock, and the deaths of many first born children all at the same time.

[DaFrigginDoctah]

For all you know the Pharoah could of ORDERED his servants (AKA Egypt) to do all that, or to say all that.
He could of burned crops and spread salt over them, as they did back then.
The babies, maybe the men just killed them all because the Pharoah said hmm?
Magic powers.... Ooooohhhhhh.
Must be a real comfort when you begin to think of your innevitable demise, thinking there will be a nice place to go.
And maybe it was all just made up by some ordinary guy way way back when who just either 1. wanted attention and never thought it'd stick 2. was crazy 3. wanted to control the general population with religion, if you think about it it does sound "feasable" I mean, "No stealing, no killing" blah blah blah "or else you'll go to hell for all eternity." Maybe he realized that a few years in jail wouldn't be sufficent enough to stop as much crime as this would. I mean, when you compare them, what's a couple years in jail compared to all eternity in a pit of flames right?
Or maybe we just got our records inccorectly, it happens quite often with information this old.
Perhaps all that happened was a man dropped a baby on his head, killing it, wrote it in some obscure mannar which would later be found by some archealogist and misinterpreted.
And maybe the locusts was a wasp that stung a couple people and then went about it's business.
The frogs maybe a few lizards that went into town for warmth or whatnot.
You have no proof for thinking magic is behind anything at all, but it is more possible for a bunch of small brained no-education villagers to obscurely write a record down somewhere, where somebody would find it in the future, and misinterpret it.
Why assume magic? Just so you can feel better about when you die?
PS - This thread is hopeless, I was meaning to only post the once instead it turned into a never-ending debate with no hope of any possible outcome.
I will stop visiting this thread.

[Medieval Bob]

The babies, maybe the men just killed them all because the Pharoah said hmm?


Do you know anyone, anyone at all, who would kill their first born son because their king, or president, would tell them to? Better yet, do you know EVERYONE that would do that? Because that is what happened to everyone who didn't have a goat blood on their front door.

There is absolutely no way in Hell that everyone would murder their first born son on the whim of a pharoah.

[Demosthenes]

it's possible back then...and ofcourse we're going on pure written word again...that doesn't necesarrily have 2 be true

[Medieval Bob]

It is not possible back then. It was not possible back then either. I don't know one person who would kill his son, much less an entire kingdom of them. Whatever distorted morals you think people had back then, I can assure you that it was not accepted to kill one's own son upon anybody's word.

[Demosthenes]

it was far more common back then. Russian tzar's...cant remember who...killed their own sons. We've read about quite a few people killing their own children in midevil times and farther back b4 that.

[FatIonSurged]

science doesn't have any hard facts that point to the evolution theory. Think of the "missing link." the name implies that there is a link missing that proves the evolution of man.


rotflolol...

[Thanatos]

What a jackass..

[FatIonSurged]

No, you're a towel.

[Thanatos]

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