Assassin Help...

[Shpook]

I'm gonna start my PvP Assassins soon, one is gonna be a BowAssassin. Just looking for a little advice, I only want to build once. I dont want to be a trap Assassin, cuz I hate them, but I do want a trap for support. Any suggestions?

[Boo~Hoo]

to kill a zon use dradon flight =P

[tidus2005]

i would suggest that you get a shadow warrior/master depending on what skill you plan to use I personaly have never seen a bowassassin before so good luck

[Pekson]

A Bow sin might work with their Burst of Speed while the target is like running away he switches or sumthin........or u can just use traps to stun the guy then start pumpin out arrows.......i wonder how fast ud b shootin.

[Titusfied]

How does Dragon Flight work? I thought it would simply work if I mastered that and claw mastery with a decent weapon, but for some reason my dmg was pathetic, so I just quit on her for the time being. I have two Cruel Scissor Suwayahs with a boat load of dmg on them, but still, I'd need to hit the Zon with about 4-5 DF's to kill them. What am I doing wrong, any one know?

[Shpook]

lol, DragonFlight is kick dmg, all based on your str and dex i believe. Charge up with TigerStrike(i think thats the name) and then release Dragon Flight, my DF was doing 2.3k or so dmg that way.

[Pekson]

In pvp once u get ur charges u should release them straight away......so when ur that close to get ur charges might as well just release them rather than run away and kick u know where im at.....

Assassins are very fragile and dont have much life so for me i went as low stats as i can but not too low and i put the rest into vitality......u can probably use Wake of Fire or Lightning Sentry at level one and once they get hit with one of them u can use mind blast to stun them and u can df in or use ur bow to pump sum arrows in em....

[Shpook]

hmm, sounds good. a few more questions: what trap would be best, WoF, or lightning sentry? And also, whats the best gear for an assassin. I WILL NOT use Tucs.. lol. I plan on using a Cruel. but the rest I'm not sure about.

[Pekson]

i think WoF its bcoz many ppl have maxed light res and they ignore fire so level one WoF i dont know.....its covers a lot of ground thus hitting the guy all the time and u can start mind blastin him.......what cruel? i really think ethereal tucs will b best but its up 2 u its also got really good mods i dont know why u dont like it........if u also like clawin might as well use a 160/60 thats more of a martial build but still works as a hybrid but u run out of mana easily......if u like trappin then bowin em just go shaft shako build......more mana and more life.....probably wear thundergods and SS since ur DR is already 75%

[Shpook]

yeah, i dont plan on being solid traps, just wanna use one for support. ETH Tuc's might be good cuz of the stats, but I'm really looking for the dmg of a cruel. I'm making two seperate builds, so Im sorta confused what to do for both lol.

[Pekson]

Ive gone the cruel build and thougt the damage was L337 but it wasnt i found that Ethereal tucs was better.....way better.

[Shpook]

hmmm, maybe ill try that instead....

[Apoq]

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i disagree with alot some of that...
WoF the reason it is better at level 1 is because FIRE damage has the longest damage animation, and it hits more consistently that any other type of trap.
pekson: you're wrong no character is "fragile"
i know the 2 top necros on battlenet they both have over 2500 hp without any 1.08 gear and still do over 550 bonespirt dmg
same with assassins, you guys dont understand that vitality is (usually) a waste if you have the right vita charms with secondary mods.
pumping str/dex is wheres it at =-)
one of my friends latest assassins doesnt use any 3/20/20's
has 100 vitality (considerably low) and has 1500hp, he has maxed dr with a ber 09 gaze 160/60 , ss, string
and with all of that his damage was well over 10k with all maxed charges..he used ethereal suwayahh of locust (4%ll)
..
the bartucs is debateable based on what skills you are planning on using...if you are sure you want to be a hybrid use the bartucs, if you want to use pure physical damage i would go with a cruel ethereal, it also depends how much ias you will need if you use a scis suwayahh/suwyahh you will only need
29% ias, which you means you will need 2 sources of ias no matter what you decide (20 ias amulet [cats eye], 15% atleast ias from a jewel {40/15 gaze or instead of 160/60 160/45/15})
the 29% ias is needed for highest speed with a non-elemental atk (7fps) 80% ias needed for 7 fps w/elemental atk
you will need 13% ias to have 7 fps with a dragon type attack
(talon/claw/flight)
an ethereal (200%) bartucs zod'd doesnt need any ias with a non-elemental attack and 0% ias with any dragon atk, and 22% for a elemental atk
the damage for ethereal tucs is (200%)= 160-290(not taking into consideration the +skills ed%/str/dex)
a good ethereal claw can easily attain 300+ damage,
you also have to remember that the claws that are cruel inherently have +skills, so you should keep that in mind if you are in the market for them
btw: the minimum damage is quite low i recently had a cruel 299 claw (scis suwayahh) and that had 160 minimum damage
dont forget about minimum damage max isnt everything (it is you just need to make sure you minimum isnt too low)
in my opinion i would take a cruel over a tuc's any day but then again i dont use hybrids much, so you have to decide for sure if you want to use alot of +skills

hope this helps=-)

[Shpook]

helped a lot Apoq, thx. Its been copied to NOtebad for reference lol. I know what you mean about Min Dmg. a sword with 150-250 dmg would be much better than a flail with 10-320 dmg, am i right?

[Pekson]

well his the expert im just making suggestions.....

["CRØNîC-KîLLå"]

yes, you are right shpook

[Apoq]

shpook...your example is unbalanced
10+320=330
150+250=400
..
my point was more that if you have weapon a and b
a is 100-400 (250 avg)
b is 200-300 (250 avg)
if you continuously used one then the other you would notice the one with the higher minimum tends to lock ( make enemy go through recovery animation) more often..any decent char/build will have alot more than enough to make someone enter the recovery animation but the best have a minimum that could put them in a lock..
i reccomend having over 800 minimum at any given point with a melee character (especially one handers)

hope this helps =-)

[Shpook]

I know, just threw out random numbers. any idea what a good skill combo for a BowAsn would be? I'm think the typical Art build with a support trap, but not sure. I'm looking for both a Zod'd Eth Tucs and a Cruel Suwayahh of ??? Not sure about suffix yet. I'm prolly gonna use 160/60 max, crafted Asn gloves that my buddy has (+1 skills, +20 dex, 20% IAS, 4% LL, +2 Martial Arts, I think thats the stats) Umm, some bugged boots that i dont know the name of, but just saw them today. SS, Ber'd .08 Gaze, Bugged String, maybe a Viper Torc or Corruption Heart. Still not sure on rings. Windy on the switch. hmmm, anyone suggestions anyone?

[Apoq]

why berd!
someone else said this..maybe it was you
learn to count!
your setup in terms of dr is
25+43+15=83
75%! is maxed use a shael/um/40/15'd storm!

[Shpook]

oh yeah, good point. ok prolly 40/15 or um then

[Pekson]

How much stre and dex for the assn then? like around how much? dont say a lot and crap give figures ^-^

[Shpook]

Well, enough to equip, but I believe I need dex for blocking. And Assassin also gets damage bonuses from both Str and Dex, so I'm still not quite sure where to keep them. I do need to worry about vitality, but not too much, just need to get myself around 1800 hp i think. Mana is fine, im keeping at base.

[Pekson]

enough to equip thats what i have but i thought apoq said life isnt everything so i went more for stre and dex and 125vit.......i can get my hp to 1100 with that still quiet low only if i had a 160/60 with life.....

[Shpook]

well yeah, I'm gonna use charms to boost my life higher.... I'm not aiming for 1800hp with just vitality :D

[Apoq]

with just vitality
=not very smart consdering you need about 500 vitality for 1800 hp at level 99.

[MelchiaMH]

I agree with Apoq that life isn't everything, but you definately want to keep str and dex to a minimum, str to use your weap and dex for maxblock. If you do decide to use the ethereal bartucs and for gloves use IK (highly recommended) you will be able to pump a lot more into vita, which gives assassins 3 hp per stat point. For your bow assassin maybe use wizspike/ss for casting traps, as that is where you will be getting hit mst of the time and wizspike is great for casting. Keep us informed on your assns progress

[Pekson]

3 hp? i thought it was 2

[MelchiaMH]

I'm pretty sure it's 3. Hah btw,Pekson your signature owns...Phat...Where did you get it?

[SlickFic04]

Anyone have a good Hybrid Azn Guide, Trap/Martial arts ?

[Boo~Hoo]

Go ahead and revive something almost a year old...
=P

[blckshdwdragon]

Anyone have a good Hybrid Azn Guide, Trap/Martial arts ?

http://www.zelaron.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19286

enjoy ^ ^

[Zuberan]

I would aim more towards damage than health. get about 1.3k health and then go all out damage cuz if u dont got damage, u dont leach like u should. if u have 50% ll (considerably high) but only do 1000 damage thats about 500 life back (there are glitches and stuff that lower that too) but say if u only have 40%ll but u do 3000 damage, now ur talkin 1200 life back.

Asns builds also depend on statistics/major bugs

Asns class specific wep tucs, happens to be fairly decent with damage properties and str/dex ar and skill.

Cruel claws happen to inflict much more damage, yet they require a more complex setup.

Also using FoF for the recovery lock and the uninterruptible.
or any of the other elemental skills for their uninterruptibility.

All of the above also depends on your wealth. if you dont got the 3/20 + godly stuff for a great setup, u might want to mellow down and make a try at different things ^_^ it depends on all on what class your opponent is. and how good they are.

I hope this helps you on your asn.

[`Insolence`]

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i disagree with alot some of that...
WoF the reason it is better at level 1 is because FIRE damage has the longest damage animation, and it hits more consistently that any other type of trap.
pekson: you're wrong no character is "fragile"
i know the 2 top necros on battlenet they both have over 2500 hp without any 1.08 gear and still do over 550 bonespirt dmg
same with assassins, you guys dont understand that vitality is (usually) a waste if you have the right vita charms with secondary mods.
pumping str/dex is wheres it at =-)
one of my friends latest assassins doesnt use any 3/20/20's
has 100 vitality (considerably low) and has 1500hp, he has maxed dr with a ber 09 gaze 160/60 , ss, string
and with all of that his damage was well over 10k with all maxed charges..he used ethereal suwayahh of locust (4%ll)
..
the bartucs is debateable based on what skills you are planning on using...if you are sure you want to be a hybrid use the bartucs, if you want to use pure physical damage i would go with a cruel ethereal, it also depends how much ias you will need if you use a scis suwayahh/suwyahh you will only need
29% ias, which you means you will need 2 sources of ias no matter what you decide (20 ias amulet [cats eye], 15% atleast ias from a jewel {40/15 gaze or instead of 160/60 160/45/15})
the 29% ias is needed for highest speed with a non-elemental atk (7fps) 80% ias needed for 7 fps w/elemental atk
you will need 13% ias to have 7 fps with a dragon type attack
(talon/claw/flight)
an ethereal (200%) bartucs zod'd doesnt need any ias with a non-elemental attack and 0% ias with any dragon atk, and 22% for a elemental atk
the damage for ethereal tucs is (200%)= 160-290(not taking into consideration the +skills ed%/str/dex)
a good ethereal claw can easily attain 300+ damage,
you also have to remember that the claws that are cruel inherently have +skills, so you should keep that in mind if you are in the market for them
btw: the minimum damage is quite low i recently had a cruel 299 claw (scis suwayahh) and that had 160 minimum damage
dont forget about minimum damage max isnt everything (it is you just need to make sure you minimum isnt too low)
in my opinion i would take a cruel over a tuc's any day but then again i dont use hybrids much, so you have to decide for sure if you want to use alot of +skills

hope this helps=-)

How would those necros even be viable? How would that asn get all that life and damage, im sorry i don't see how thats possible..

Best necro i saw (nvn) had 2.2k life (4 jah archon of the whale +99 life i think) and inventory of 40+ necro PB charms. .08 lidless with jah

[Apoq]

most NvN's have alot of frw like 17mana/5 fhr sc's

my friend is second top but doesn't use as much frw as some necros

[`Insolence`]

Yeah, i use that... but i still dont get it... can you please explain how an assasin/necro can get that much life and damage?

[Kuja]

can you please explain how an assasin/necro can get that much life and damage?

Charms and jah rune but that necro cannot be that good cause a necro need resist ts high level in hell will just be destroyed by sorc unless he use bugged item like 2 con ring and even then sorc can deal lot. there a need of cold/lightning absorb somewhere.

[Apoq]

20 life /11 % light resist and wizard spike

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and i was talking about N v N

[`Insolence`]

Im talkin about assasins and necros, I don't think thats possible, can youe xplain how they do it?